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how many F-7pgs and mirage rose we have?
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Wats this myth of PAF pilots having better training than Indians.
The IAF is far more modern air power and has better training fascilities, more money, and better expo9sure to overseas partners than pakistan.
PAF infact have not fired a shot in angar since then end of the Russian invasion of Afghnistan in 1989 .
More made up statements with no proof.
well the 15-20m cost of jf-17 is just for the initial stages. after the upgradations it will be above that for sure.Pakistan is currently looking at 200+ Thunders as the back bone of its air force.
These cost around £12-15m each.
The hitech fighters start at $60m each going up to over $100m each for F35 Typhpoon & rafael
ITS ALL ABOUT MONEY BUDGETS.
PAF has a fraction of the budgets of air forces like China India Saudi and Korea and Taiwan.
There lies the problem.
The answer is Thunder x 200 and slowly upgrade
small nos of J10/FC20
F16 ON GRANT AID.
well F 7 is still good interceptor against Mig 21 bis our pilots have bettter trainening than IAF pilots so what ever flaws F 7 has which i dont think so even if it has slight miss advantage it wont metter because trainning of pilot will come in account too
Topgun.
Stop banging your head.
To be the best in the world you need to prove it. Or in deed one the best in the world plz explain how & why
Never mind wat the Fan boys tell us on PAK defense forums,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, show me the reasons why PAF pilots are world class or even close.
I,ll give you 5 reasons why they are not. to start with
1. Very poorly equipped dated equipment compared top air forces both western and Arab and some east asian.
2. Virtually no real combat history for 2 decades
3. No show in Kargil dispite IAF flying over 500 SORTIES in support of their army.
4. Very small budget now and in the for seeable future
5. No written independant article showing PAF to be anything other than a well trained second class air force.
Second class based on Historical performance current equipment and near future equipment too.
WORLD CLASS is USA and bigger NATO ally,s standard like RAF LUFTWAFFE & TURKEY or very rich nations Like Japan French
or
Combat proven Israeli
Even the likes of PLAAF Saudi or Indians cant be classed as World class despite being far better equipped than PAF today and in the future
SO PAF pilots where flying in 1967 against the Israelis.
Thats great.
History tells us the Israelis won that war in 6 days knocking out 5 arab air forces in the process. Hundreds of Combat planes.
THATS not world class my friend.
Are you telling me that PAF pilots are in the same league as
USA RAF Germany ISRAELI and JAPAN. because this is wat i call world class. ????
Topgun.
Stop banging your head.
To be the best in the world you need to prove it. Or in deed one the best in the world plz explain how & why
Never mind wat the Fan boys tell us on PAK defense forums,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, show me the reasons why PAF pilots are world class or even close.
I,ll give you 5 reasons why they are not. to start with
1. Very poorly equipped dated equipment compared top air forces both western and Arab and some east asian.
2. Virtually no real combat history for 2 decades
3. No show in Kargil dispite IAF flying over 500 SORTIES in support of their army.
4. Very small budget now and in the for seeable future
5. No written independant article showing PAF to be anything other than a well trained second class air force.
Second class based on Historical performance current equipment and near future equipment too.
WORLD CLASS is USA and bigger NATO ally,s standard like RAF LUFTWAFFE & TURKEY or very rich nations Like Japan French
or
Combat proven Israeli
Even the likes of PLAAF Saudi or Indians cant be classed as World class despite being far better equipped than PAF today and in the future
Okay lets get back to the TOPIC
F7PG and Mirage 3/5 ARE THEY ANY GOOD wat use are they to PAF today compared to their natural enemy.
ie
124 SU30MKI
51 MIRAGE 2000
63 MIG29M
125 BISONS MIG21
100 JAGUAR
120 MIG27M
My answer F7PG & MIRAGE3/5 are very useful to take out 220 mig27/ jaguars since these planes are only bombers strike planes.
the PAF mirage3/5 & F7PG will 50/50 at best against the BVR equipped bisons.
Finally F7PG ?MIRAGE 3/5 will lose to 234 su30mki/mirage2000/mig29 combo
IF YOU DISAGREE PLZ TELL ME WHY
F7PG & MIRAGE3/5 nos are 320+ in PAF or 80% of the entire fleet today
I wanted to ask a question to our senior members that why didn't our air force take the licence production of Mirage-2000s(of about 200-250 aircraft) from france like in 1980s and try to start negotiating in early 1980s and start production like in 1986 and continue till 2000. Then our air force would be much better than now.