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Pakistan army is not allowed to be too much hard on the collective fathers of Saad Rafique and Khawaja Asif the paleet
Military Operation against TTP in N.Waziristan | Updates & Discussions.
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Pakistan army is not allowed to be too much hard on the collective fathers of Saad Rafique and Khawaja Asif the paleet
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As I posted (and you didn't agree), homes, bazaar and mosques have been destroyed by the recent bombings in NWA. Independant media report and video: Homes Destroyed By Bombing In North Waziristan
Cobra Helipcopters, tanks (stationed at bases), and Razmak base + Isha post is the centre. Focus was aerial bombardment, then helis, then artillery
Army is already present in almost all areas of NW. Only a few areas in SW (esp Mehsud areas) are troublesome. Army already has a huge presence in Miranshah, MirAli, Razmak etc
Yes, that is true. Army has decided to teach them a communal lesson. For any major attack on Army, it will respond fully!
Cobra Helipcopters, tanks (stationed at bases), and Razmak base + Isha post is the centre. Focus was aerial bombardment, then helis, then artillery
Army is already present in almost all areas of NW. Only a few areas in SW (esp Mehsud areas) are troublesome. Army already has a huge presence in Miranshah, MirAli, Razmak etc
Yes, that is true. Army has decided to teach them a communal lesson. For any major attack on Army, it will respond fully!
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who gave you this pic??
Picture of Grand Jirga held today in Waziristan to discuss aftermath of operation!
I hope they decide to ditch the terrorists and join Pak Army
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pathan??I have my sources
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It was a terrorist hideout and most likely an old decrepit market.
They will rebuild better than before just like they did in S Waziristan.
It was a terrorist hideout and most likely an old decrepit market.
They will rebuild better than before just like they did in S Waziristan.
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N. Waziristan Taliban revoke peace accord; tell locals to leave
By Zahir Shah Sherazi
Published about an hour ago
PESHAWAR: The North Waziristan Taliban led by Hafiz Gul Bahadar have formally revoked the peace accord with the Pakistani government, a pamphlet distributed by the group in the tribal region said.
The faction, as the pamphlet sent to media by Bahadur's spokesman Ahmadullah Ahmadi said, is now preparing to fight against what it said was the security forces' planned operation, giving locals until June 10 to leave the area and move to safety.
The pamphlet distributed Friday read that the government had broken the peace accord with the North Waziristan Taliban by launching air strikes with a full-fledged operation being planned for the tribal region.
“The shura mujahideen has decided not to tolerate this aggression anymore and has opted to fight and defend Waziristan,” the pamphlet added.
The group also warned locals to refrain from seeking refuge in government-established camps. Instead, it directed them to move to areas close to the Afghan border whereby they could easily travel to Afghanistan.
The group has also demanded locals to sever all ties with the government and military officials by June 10. It has warned that action would be taken against those who do not heed the militants' warnings, adding that no one would be allowed to go to the military camps and government offices after the deadline.
The group also announced to stop all its operations in Afghanistan after June 10, adding that it would not send any fighters across the border and would focus on defending North Waziristan, calling upon the tribesmen to either leave the area or join hands with the militants.
Also read: North Waziristan offensive “not full-scale operation”
Security forces have pounded militant hideouts in different parts of North Waziristan during the past several days, stepping up pressure on militants in the tribal region.
The ‘operation’ began a day after military planes and helicopter gunships attacked suspected militants’ hideouts in Miramshah and Mirali sub-district of North Waziristan.
Officials have put the death toll at 71 which, they say, include local and foreign militants. Residents, however, put the casualty figure at 80, including women and children.
The military action launched last week on Wednesday resulted in displacement of a large number of civilians seeking shelter in adjoining districts.
Meanwhile, key militant commanders were reported killed in airstrikes in the tribal region.
By Zahir Shah Sherazi
Published about an hour ago
PESHAWAR: The North Waziristan Taliban led by Hafiz Gul Bahadar have formally revoked the peace accord with the Pakistani government, a pamphlet distributed by the group in the tribal region said.
The faction, as the pamphlet sent to media by Bahadur's spokesman Ahmadullah Ahmadi said, is now preparing to fight against what it said was the security forces' planned operation, giving locals until June 10 to leave the area and move to safety.
The pamphlet distributed Friday read that the government had broken the peace accord with the North Waziristan Taliban by launching air strikes with a full-fledged operation being planned for the tribal region.
“The shura mujahideen has decided not to tolerate this aggression anymore and has opted to fight and defend Waziristan,” the pamphlet added.
The group also warned locals to refrain from seeking refuge in government-established camps. Instead, it directed them to move to areas close to the Afghan border whereby they could easily travel to Afghanistan.
The group has also demanded locals to sever all ties with the government and military officials by June 10. It has warned that action would be taken against those who do not heed the militants' warnings, adding that no one would be allowed to go to the military camps and government offices after the deadline.
The group also announced to stop all its operations in Afghanistan after June 10, adding that it would not send any fighters across the border and would focus on defending North Waziristan, calling upon the tribesmen to either leave the area or join hands with the militants.
Also read: North Waziristan offensive “not full-scale operation”
Security forces have pounded militant hideouts in different parts of North Waziristan during the past several days, stepping up pressure on militants in the tribal region.
The ‘operation’ began a day after military planes and helicopter gunships attacked suspected militants’ hideouts in Miramshah and Mirali sub-district of North Waziristan.
Officials have put the death toll at 71 which, they say, include local and foreign militants. Residents, however, put the casualty figure at 80, including women and children.
The military action launched last week on Wednesday resulted in displacement of a large number of civilians seeking shelter in adjoining districts.
Meanwhile, key militant commanders were reported killed in airstrikes in the tribal region.
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I think the time to talk about the justification of this war is over, especially after the attack on Karachi airport. When is war justified — if not now? Cross-border raids from Afghanistan and suicide attacks on military officers and targets in the heartland of the country speak of continuity of this war by the Taliban against us. Little doubt that it is Indian financial support through Afghanistan to Maulana Fazllulah and his likes that helps them to recruit the Central Asian and local mercenaries to fight against the security forces and sustain the continuity of this war as well. But what is our plan?
Are we as a state still riding on the hopes of ‘conciliatory policymaking’ to get us through in this war? Hasn’t the ‘strategy of appeasement’ been tried enough? Such mindsets have only nourished and promoted political smugness and military complacency. For how long will we continue to feed the ‘Taliban monster’ with concessions? Would the result of the efforts of the tribal leaders from Waziristan that met the governor and the Corps Commander in Peshawar recently be any different? Which magic wand will they use to set everything right in 15 days that could not be put right in 15 years?
The ‘retaliatory strikes’ are the glaring omission from the fresh military landscape that General Raheel painted on the war on terror canvas on assumption of his command. Why has the military not responded so far to the suicide attack carried out on the senior officers in Rawalpindi when all terrorist acts so far against the military and civilian targets have been militarily responded to since the arrival of General Raheel Sharif as COAS? The tone for such military responses was set on December 18, 2013 when five jawans from the military lost their lives in a suicide attack. Speaking on the occasion, General Raheel said, the “military will not tolerate terror attacks and an effective response will be given to the terrorists”. Since then, a military response to terrorist activities had become a norm. Every time the terrorists would strike a target, a military response would be generated. Terrorist groups were given a clear message that “the cost attached with their terrorist activity far exceeds their gains”. The General had picked up his doctrinal agenda of proceeding with the retaliatory strikes no matter what the status of political negotiations with the Taliban’s. But what now?
The only pause in the General’s publically stated military doctrine of ‘deterrence by punishment’ has been the so far current mute response by the army on the suicide attack that has taken the lives of its two senior military officers. This ‘tactical pause’ in the ‘we will hit harder if you hit us hard’ policy may be an operational necessity. Or it may as well be the proverbial calm before the eventual storm. Whatever it maybe — our generals would do well to finally, together with the political leadership, decide to initiate the much-awaited military operation. The June 10 high-level security meeting is, perhaps, the first step in this regard.
Let there be no doubt that our enemy is reciprocating on the western front to ensure our military deployment in Fata becomes as permanent a feature as theirs is in occupied Kashmir. It’s a battle of quid pro quo and a smart move of redirecting and rebalancing our military capabilities to the other front that were actually meant to match theirs on the eastern front.
It’s time that the Pakistani military stopped being boxed in by constraints and ethics to fight an enemy that has no value for any war ethics either. The ‘collateral damage’ and ‘only permissible conduct’ by military units on the battlefield are the chains that hold back the progress of military operations and in most cases become the difference between the ultimate success or failure.
What end do we pursue? The overriding motive of all wars is to ‘secure peace’. But for that an army has to wage a war and not fight scattered battles of survival and choice. If for terrorists, the end justifies the means, then we must as well choose the means to justify the end that we seek. The unchallenged ‘religious hallucinations’ that guide the Taliban to commit murders have continued to embolden them. They have no concept of the good life or the conditions that can make them possible.
General Raheel Sharif was not renowned for any military achievements on the western front in the borderland with Afghanistan. In fact, he performed no military service in the area since 9/11 ushered the army to fight the irregular war on that front. To say that he was not in sync with the ‘core team of ‘decision-makers’ and planners and executors of the military operations on the western front, until he took over as COAS, would not be wrong.
So now that the General has mounted himself on the horseback and saddled himself in to lead the army, will he also choose to continue to stagger along without a clear mandate of what to do with all the assembled foreign and local militants on the western front? After all, for over a decade, his two previous bosses (General Musharraf and General Kayani) only gifted us this stalemated war. ‘Reaction’ and not ‘pre-emption’ remained their most favourite tool to counter terrorism and the terrorists.
General Raheel Sharif must know that this lame-duck political and military approach to the existential threat that we face cannot be allowed to continue. Political ‘consensus and collectivism’ will remain an orphan in a country where not the national but petty party interest guides the leadership of the political parties. If our children and grandchildren are to have a Pakistan in which they can hold a right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, then we must deliver them a Pakistan that is livable and free of terror and fear.
Fourteen years was a long time for two military leaders (General Musharraf and General Kayani) to give even a semblance of some hope of the ‘militarily prevailing’ over our enemies in the war on terror that we fight. Would we still be wondering what shape should our response take when General Raheel Sharif would leave the office? If negotiations have disappeared from the negotiating table, then what is stopping the general and his army from making its move on the battlefront?
I think the time to talk about the justification of this war is over, especially after the attack on Karachi airport. When is war justified — if not now? Cross-border raids from Afghanistan and suicide attacks on military officers and targets in the heartland of the country speak of continuity of this war by the Taliban against us. Little doubt that it is Indian financial support through Afghanistan to Maulana Fazllulah and his likes that helps them to recruit the Central Asian and local mercenaries to fight against the security forces and sustain the continuity of this war as well. But what is our plan?
Are we as a state still riding on the hopes of ‘conciliatory policymaking’ to get us through in this war? Hasn’t the ‘strategy of appeasement’ been tried enough? Such mindsets have only nourished and promoted political smugness and military complacency. For how long will we continue to feed the ‘Taliban monster’ with concessions? Would the result of the efforts of the tribal leaders from Waziristan that met the governor and the Corps Commander in Peshawar recently be any different? Which magic wand will they use to set everything right in 15 days that could not be put right in 15 years?
The ‘retaliatory strikes’ are the glaring omission from the fresh military landscape that General Raheel painted on the war on terror canvas on assumption of his command. Why has the military not responded so far to the suicide attack carried out on the senior officers in Rawalpindi when all terrorist acts so far against the military and civilian targets have been militarily responded to since the arrival of General Raheel Sharif as COAS? The tone for such military responses was set on December 18, 2013 when five jawans from the military lost their lives in a suicide attack. Speaking on the occasion, General Raheel said, the “military will not tolerate terror attacks and an effective response will be given to the terrorists”. Since then, a military response to terrorist activities had become a norm. Every time the terrorists would strike a target, a military response would be generated. Terrorist groups were given a clear message that “the cost attached with their terrorist activity far exceeds their gains”. The General had picked up his doctrinal agenda of proceeding with the retaliatory strikes no matter what the status of political negotiations with the Taliban’s. But what now?
The only pause in the General’s publically stated military doctrine of ‘deterrence by punishment’ has been the so far current mute response by the army on the suicide attack that has taken the lives of its two senior military officers. This ‘tactical pause’ in the ‘we will hit harder if you hit us hard’ policy may be an operational necessity. Or it may as well be the proverbial calm before the eventual storm. Whatever it maybe — our generals would do well to finally, together with the political leadership, decide to initiate the much-awaited military operation. The June 10 high-level security meeting is, perhaps, the first step in this regard.
Let there be no doubt that our enemy is reciprocating on the western front to ensure our military deployment in Fata becomes as permanent a feature as theirs is in occupied Kashmir. It’s a battle of quid pro quo and a smart move of redirecting and rebalancing our military capabilities to the other front that were actually meant to match theirs on the eastern front.
It’s time that the Pakistani military stopped being boxed in by constraints and ethics to fight an enemy that has no value for any war ethics either. The ‘collateral damage’ and ‘only permissible conduct’ by military units on the battlefield are the chains that hold back the progress of military operations and in most cases become the difference between the ultimate success or failure.
What end do we pursue? The overriding motive of all wars is to ‘secure peace’. But for that an army has to wage a war and not fight scattered battles of survival and choice. If for terrorists, the end justifies the means, then we must as well choose the means to justify the end that we seek. The unchallenged ‘religious hallucinations’ that guide the Taliban to commit murders have continued to embolden them. They have no concept of the good life or the conditions that can make them possible.
General Raheel Sharif was not renowned for any military achievements on the western front in the borderland with Afghanistan. In fact, he performed no military service in the area since 9/11 ushered the army to fight the irregular war on that front. To say that he was not in sync with the ‘core team of ‘decision-makers’ and planners and executors of the military operations on the western front, until he took over as COAS, would not be wrong.
So now that the General has mounted himself on the horseback and saddled himself in to lead the army, will he also choose to continue to stagger along without a clear mandate of what to do with all the assembled foreign and local militants on the western front? After all, for over a decade, his two previous bosses (General Musharraf and General Kayani) only gifted us this stalemated war. ‘Reaction’ and not ‘pre-emption’ remained their most favourite tool to counter terrorism and the terrorists.
General Raheel Sharif must know that this lame-duck political and military approach to the existential threat that we face cannot be allowed to continue. Political ‘consensus and collectivism’ will remain an orphan in a country where not the national but petty party interest guides the leadership of the political parties. If our children and grandchildren are to have a Pakistan in which they can hold a right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, then we must deliver them a Pakistan that is livable and free of terror and fear.
Fourteen years was a long time for two military leaders (General Musharraf and General Kayani) to give even a semblance of some hope of the ‘militarily prevailing’ over our enemies in the war on terror that we fight. Would we still be wondering what shape should our response take when General Raheel Sharif would leave the office? If negotiations have disappeared from the negotiating table, then what is stopping the general and his army from making its move on the battlefront?
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Foreign fighters flee Pakistani tribal zone
MIRANSHAH: Some of the world´s most feared fighters are quietly slipping away from a Pakistani tribal region ahead of a long-rumoured military operation, raising questions about the effectiveness of such intervention.
The exodus from the mountainous North Waziristan district on the Afghan border began in late May following Pakistani air strikes, locals have told AFP.
But it has been hastened by the Taliban´s all-night siege of Karachi airport this week, which all but destroyed a tentative peace process.
On Wednesday night two US drone strikes hit the region killing at least 16 in the first such attack this year, fuelling suspicion of coordination between the two countries, with Islamabad´s patience for talks seemingly exhausted.
But as pressure builds for a fuller response to the airport assault, which was joined by militants from Uzbekistan, residents and officials in the district´s main town of Miranshah said the majority of foreign and local fighters had already left.
"Most of them have gone deep into the mountains towards the Afghan border," a senior security official told AFP.
The locals said militant groups were also seen escaping from villages. Rumours of a ground offensive in North Waziristan, one of seven tribal regions along the border, have abounded for years.
But authorities have held back from a final push -- possibly fearing the blowback in Pakistan´s major cities such as Karachi, where 38 people including 10 militants were killed at the airport.
However, the sheer numbers of people leaving -- some 60,000, according to official estimates, since late May -- suggest that this time might be different.
Residents saw foreign militants leaving the Machis Camp and Data Khel village near Miranshah, as well as the villages of Musaki, Hurmaz, Hesso Khel and Api.
The fighters included Chechens, Uzbeks, Turkmen, Tajiks and Uighurs, residents and officials said.
They arrived during the early 2000s, lured by the fiery rhetoric of Osama bin Laden and the chance to fight "infidel" forces in Afghanistan.
Married into the local population, some have erected mud houses in small villages among the area´s rugged mountains.
Others "have rented houses and rooms here but they have now left towards the Afghan border", a grocery shop owner in Miranshah bazaar told AFP.
Another resident in Miranshah estimated that more than 80 percent of local and foreign fighters have left North Waziristan.
The migrations began on May 22 when Pakistani F-16s pounded suspected targets, killing at least 75 according to the military.
Government representatives also began holding talks two weeks ago with a grand jira, or council of elders, warning them to hand over foreigners in the area or face severe consequences.
"Tribesmen are against war, they want to solve this conflict with talks and according to tribal traditions and that´s why we have formed a peace jirga," jirga chief Sher Mohammed told AFP.
Residents said some jirga members last week made announcements from mosque loudspeakers in several villages asking foreign fighters to leave the area.
They also made those under their command hoist Pakistani flags to demonstrate their loyalty and ward off aerial attacks.
Most areas along the border are not well demarcated, which allows militants to escape into Afghanistan.
"They have moved towards Shawal and Birmal," an intelligence official said, referring to remote villages on the Afghan border.
A second security official said: "It is good that they (fighters) are leaving. We hope that tribesmen will not allow them to come and settle here again.
"In case of any military operation, we will face less resistance," he added. Residents said they have seen less activity of the feared Haqqani fighters in recent weeks.
"They are also disappearing, probably they have gone to Khost, Paktia or Paktika," one resident in Miranshah told AFP, naming Afghan border provinces.
Foreign fighters flee Pakistani tribal zone - thenews.com.pk
MIRANSHAH: Some of the world´s most feared fighters are quietly slipping away from a Pakistani tribal region ahead of a long-rumoured military operation, raising questions about the effectiveness of such intervention.
The exodus from the mountainous North Waziristan district on the Afghan border began in late May following Pakistani air strikes, locals have told AFP.
But it has been hastened by the Taliban´s all-night siege of Karachi airport this week, which all but destroyed a tentative peace process.
On Wednesday night two US drone strikes hit the region killing at least 16 in the first such attack this year, fuelling suspicion of coordination between the two countries, with Islamabad´s patience for talks seemingly exhausted.
But as pressure builds for a fuller response to the airport assault, which was joined by militants from Uzbekistan, residents and officials in the district´s main town of Miranshah said the majority of foreign and local fighters had already left.
"Most of them have gone deep into the mountains towards the Afghan border," a senior security official told AFP.
The locals said militant groups were also seen escaping from villages. Rumours of a ground offensive in North Waziristan, one of seven tribal regions along the border, have abounded for years.
But authorities have held back from a final push -- possibly fearing the blowback in Pakistan´s major cities such as Karachi, where 38 people including 10 militants were killed at the airport.
However, the sheer numbers of people leaving -- some 60,000, according to official estimates, since late May -- suggest that this time might be different.
Residents saw foreign militants leaving the Machis Camp and Data Khel village near Miranshah, as well as the villages of Musaki, Hurmaz, Hesso Khel and Api.
The fighters included Chechens, Uzbeks, Turkmen, Tajiks and Uighurs, residents and officials said.
They arrived during the early 2000s, lured by the fiery rhetoric of Osama bin Laden and the chance to fight "infidel" forces in Afghanistan.
Married into the local population, some have erected mud houses in small villages among the area´s rugged mountains.
Others "have rented houses and rooms here but they have now left towards the Afghan border", a grocery shop owner in Miranshah bazaar told AFP.
Another resident in Miranshah estimated that more than 80 percent of local and foreign fighters have left North Waziristan.
The migrations began on May 22 when Pakistani F-16s pounded suspected targets, killing at least 75 according to the military.
Government representatives also began holding talks two weeks ago with a grand jira, or council of elders, warning them to hand over foreigners in the area or face severe consequences.
"Tribesmen are against war, they want to solve this conflict with talks and according to tribal traditions and that´s why we have formed a peace jirga," jirga chief Sher Mohammed told AFP.
Residents said some jirga members last week made announcements from mosque loudspeakers in several villages asking foreign fighters to leave the area.
They also made those under their command hoist Pakistani flags to demonstrate their loyalty and ward off aerial attacks.
Most areas along the border are not well demarcated, which allows militants to escape into Afghanistan.
"They have moved towards Shawal and Birmal," an intelligence official said, referring to remote villages on the Afghan border.
A second security official said: "It is good that they (fighters) are leaving. We hope that tribesmen will not allow them to come and settle here again.
"In case of any military operation, we will face less resistance," he added. Residents said they have seen less activity of the feared Haqqani fighters in recent weeks.
"They are also disappearing, probably they have gone to Khost, Paktia or Paktika," one resident in Miranshah told AFP, naming Afghan border provinces.
Foreign fighters flee Pakistani tribal zone - thenews.com.pk
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According to most reports I am hearing IDPs are going to Afghanistan rather than coming down to Pakistan. This is a worrisome sign because
1. Shows most of the tribals dont trust our govt/army anymore
2. Afghan govt can use and manipulate them against us
3. Most tribals follow orders of Gul Bahadur as he told tribals to opt for Afghanistan instead of Pakistan..
E.g of one source: پاکستان - BBC Urdu - شمالی وزیرستان سے افغانستان نقل مکانی
1. Shows most of the tribals dont trust our govt/army anymore
2. Afghan govt can use and manipulate them against us
3. Most tribals follow orders of Gul Bahadur as he told tribals to opt for Afghanistan instead of Pakistan..
E.g of one source: پاکستان - BBC Urdu - شمالی وزیرستان سے افغانستان نقل مکانی
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Most people in North Waziristan are either Taliban/TTP fighters and their families.
The ones that will remain are innocent and Pakistanis and have nothing to hide so will be happy to go into temporary camps and be IDed.
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Typical ignorant mindset. People like you should be lined up with the taliban and killed! Racists. Do you know the basics of NWA? Population, the tribes, the area? Pls research first before giving bullsh!t opinions.
Oh, and I can bet you are a punjabi.. thinking every baluch is a BLA fighter, every Pathan is TTP and every Urdu speaking is MQM
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