Military Operation against TTP in N.Waziristan | Updates & Discussions.

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Good luck.

 

[Hyperion]

It never was before was it, can be changed back to plain old Pakistan one day....... no biggy...... one more huge defeat by the hands of any neighbors and the whole nation may change the constitution once again....... salee poori kee poori kaum lota hai.......

I agree that we need to have Islamic law to govern Pakistan as it is the "Islamic" Republic of Pakistan afterall, but this doesn't justify the actions of the TTP

 

[qamar1990]

ISLAMABAD: The latest US-based PEW Research Center survey, released 11 days before Pakistan goes for elections, shows that 84% of Pakistani Muslims favour Islamic sharia as their official law.



While none of the leading political parties with the only exception of Imran Khan’s PTI promises to make Pakistan an Islamic welfare state, the 30th April Pew Research Center survey of Muslims around the globe finds that most adherents (including Pakistanis) of the world’s second-largest religion are deeply committed to their faith and want its teachings to shape not only their personal lives but also their societies and politics.



As against the recent hints of PPP, MQM and the ANP to make Pakistan a secular state, the PEW survey concludes, “Support for making Sharia the official law of the land tends to be higher in countries like Pakistan (84%) and Morocco (83%) where the constitution or basic laws favour Islam to other religions.”



According to the executive summary of the Pew survey: “In all but a handful of the 39 countries surveyed, a majority of Muslims say that Islam is the one true faith leading to eternal life in heaven and that belief in God is necessary to be a moral person. Many also think that their religious leaders should have at least some influence over political matters. And many express a desire for Sharia – traditional Islamic law – to be recognised as the official law of their country.”



The percentage of Muslims who say they want Sharia to be “the official law of the land” varies widely around the world, from fewer than one-in-10 in Azerbaijan (8%) to near unanimity in Afghanistan (99%). But solid majorities in most of the countries surveyed across the Middle East and North Africa, sub-Saharan Africa, South Asia and Southeast Asia favour the enforcement of Sharia, including 71% of Muslims in Nigeria, 72% in Indonesia, 74% in Egypt and 89% in the Palestinian territories.



At the same time, the survey finds that even in many countries where there is strong backing for Sharia, most Muslims favour religious freedom for people of other faiths. In Pakistan, for example, three-quarters of Muslims say that non-Muslims are very free to practice their religion, and fully 96% of those who share this assessment say it is “a good thing.” Yet 84% of Pakistani Muslims favour enshrining Sharia as official law. These seemingly divergent views are possible partly because most supporters of Sharia in Pakistan – as in many other countries – think Islamic law should apply only to Muslims. Moreover, Muslims around the globe have differing understanding of what Sharia means in practice.



The survey – which involved more than 38,000 face-to-face interviews in 80-plus languages with Muslims across Europe, Asia, the Middle East and Africa – shows that Muslims tend to be most comfortable with using Sharia in the domestic sphere, to settle family or property disputes. In most countries surveyed, there is considerably less support for severe punishments, such as cutting off the hands of thieves or executing people who convert from Islam to another faith. And even in the domestic sphere, Muslims differ widely on such questions as whether polygamy, divorce and family planning are morally acceptable and whether daughters should be able to receive the same inheritance as sons.



In most countries surveyed, majorities of Muslim women as well as men agree that a wife is always obliged to obey her husband. Indeed, more than nine-in-ten Muslims in Iraq (92%), Morocco (92%), Tunisia (93%), Indonesia (93%), Afghanistan (94%) and Malaysia (96%) express this view. At the same time, majorities in many countries surveyed say a woman should be able to decide for herself whether to wear a veil.



Overall, the survey finds that most Muslims see no inherent tension between being religiously devout and living in a modern society. Nor do they see any conflict between religion and science. Many favour democracy to authoritarian rule, believe that humans and other living things have evolved over time and say they personally enjoy Western movies, music and television – even though most think Western popular culture undermines public morality.



The new survey also allows some comparisons with prior Pew Research Center surveys of Muslims in the United States. Like most Muslims worldwide, US Muslims generally express strong commitment to their faith and tend not to see an inherent conflict between being devout and living in a modern society. But American Muslims are much more likely than Muslims in other countries to have close friends who do not share their faith, and they are much more open to the idea that many religions – not only Islam – can lead to eternal life in heaven. At the same time, US Muslims are less inclined than their co-religionists around the globe to believe in evolution; on this subject, they are closer to US Christians.



Few US Muslims voice support for suicide bombing or other forms of violence against civilians in the name of Islam; 81% say such acts are never justified, while fewer than one-in-10 say violence against civilians either is often justified (1%) or is sometimes justified (7%) to defend Islam. Around the world, most Muslims also reject suicide bombing and other attacks against civilians. However, substantial minorities in several countries say such acts of violence are at least sometimes justified, including 26% of Muslims in Bangladesh, 29% in Egypt, 39% in Afghanistan and 40% in the Palestinian territories.



These are among the key findings of a worldwide survey by the Pew Research Center’s Forum on Religion & Public Life. The survey was conducted in two waves. Fifteen sub-Saharan African countries with substantial Muslim populations were surveyed in 2008-2009, and some of those results previously were analysed in the Pew Research Center’s 2010 report “Tolerance and Tension: Islam and Christianity in Sub-Saharan Africa.” An additional 24 countries in Europe, Asia, the Middle East and Africa were surveyed in 2011-2012; results regarding religious beliefs and practices were first published in the Pew Research Center’s 2012 report “The World’s Muslims: Unity and Diversity.” The current report focuses on Muslims’ social and political attitudes, and it incorporates findings from both waves of the survey.



Other key findings include:



-At least half of Muslims in most countries surveyed say they are concerned about religious extremist groups in their country, including two-thirds or more of Muslims in Egypt (67%), Tunisia (67%), Iraq (68%), Guinea Bissau (72%) and Indonesia (78%). On balance, more are worried about Islamic extremists than about Christian extremists.



-Muslims around the world overwhelmingly view certain behaviours – including prostitution, homosexuality, suicide, abortion, euthanasia and consumption of alcohol – as immoral. But attitudes toward polygamy, divorce and birth control are more varied. For example, polygamy is seen as morally acceptable by just 4% of Muslims in Bosnia-Herzegovina and Azerbaijan; about half of Muslims in the Palestinian territories (48%) and Malaysia (49%); and the vast majority of Muslims in several countries in sub-Saharan Africa, such as Senegal (86%) and Niger (87%).



-In most countries where a question about so-called “honour” killings was asked, majority of Muslims say such killings are never justified. Only in two countries – Afghanistan and Iraq – do majorities condone extra-judicial executions of women who allegedly have shamed their families by engaging in premarital sex or adultery.



-Relatively few Muslims say that tensions between more religiously observant and less observant Muslims are a very big problem in their country. In most countries where the question was asked, Muslims also see little tension between members of Islam’s two major sects, Sunnis and Shias – though a third or more of Muslims in Pakistan (34%) and Lebanon (38%) consider Sunni-Shia conflict to be a very big problem.



Muslims in sub-Saharan Africa are more likely than Muslims surveyed in other regions to say they attend interfaith meetings and are knowledgeable about other faiths. But substantial percentages of Muslims in sub-Saharan Africa also perceive hostility between Muslims and Christians. In Guinea-Bissau, for example, 41% of Muslims say “most” or “many” Christians are hostile toward Muslims, and 49% say “most” or “many” Muslims are hostile toward Christians.



In half of the countries where the question was asked, majorities of Muslims want religious leaders to have at least “some influence” in political matters, and sizable minorities in Asia, the Middle East and North Africa think religious leaders should have a lot of political influence. For example, 37% of Muslims in Jordan, 41% in Malaysia and 53% in Afghanistan say religious leaders should play a “large” role in politics.



-Support for making sharia the official law of the land tends to be higher in countries like Pakistan (84%) and Morocco (83%) where the constitution or basic laws favor Islam to other religions.



-In many countries, Muslims who pray several times a day are more likely to support making sharia official law than are Muslims who pray less frequently. In Russia, Lebanon, the Palestinian territories and Tunisia, for example, Muslims who pray several times a day are at least 25 percentage points more supportive of enshrining sharia than are less observant Muslims. Generally, however, there is little difference in support for sharia by age, gender or education.”
84pc of Pakistani Muslims want Sharia, says PEW survey - thenews.com.pk

@forcetrip oh shit now what?

 

[Hyperion]

Was it really, so obvious from my superior intellect? I'll try to tone it down for the rest, from now on.....

Gaaa-gaaaa-gooo-goooooo Allah-u-Akbar in the name of Wahabistan...........

holy shit you are a pathan? lmfao


you had the ignorance.
i was joking about pathans btw.
my first cousins are half pathans.
my uncle married a pathani

 

[Farooq]

It never was before was it, can be changed back to plain old Pakistan one day....... no biggy...... one more huge defeat by the hands of any neighbors and the whole nation may change the constitution once again....... salee poori kee poori kaum lota hai.......

the majority of Pakistanis actually favor Islamic law as Zarvan pointed out...

you secular rats can get the hell out of Pakistan once in for all !

 

[qamar1990]

Was it really, so obvious from my superior intellect? I'll try to tone it down for the rest, from now on.....

Gaaa-gaaaa-gooo-goooooo Allah-u-Akbar in the name of Wahabistan...........

yo son just don't piss me off again.
i won't tolerate if you ever try to associate me with fundamentalism.
i am a muslim but i don't enforce my beliefs on others.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

the majority of Pakistanis actually favor Islamic law as Zarvan pointed out...

you secular rats can get the hell out of Pakistan once in for all !

But you are from the Democratic Republic of Korea

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

yes good call!

both Zarvan & Pak-one are wahabi terrorist sympathizers

I would ask you again, why you labelling deobandis as wahabis? You do know that both deobandi and bareilvi belong to hanafi fiqa yet you call us wahabis out of sectarian bias and pure malice...it is ahle-hadith who are salafi/wahabi. Unlike salafis, deobandis have concepts of tasawuf and taqleed like bareilvis.
Rest of the members here calling names to taliban which is understandable due to terrorism and violence by taliban. But you are different, you go against deobandis due to your bareilvism. I am aware of the deobandi-bareilvi tensions in punjab. Members here are sick of taliban due to their actions while you are here for the chance to malign school of thought which you deem as your enemies....
Let me hear your views on moderate deobandis e.g tahir ashrafi who appears frequently on TV.

 

[Hyperion]

Aap kay chacha gee ka gharr hai, Pakistan? We have controlled your destinies from the beginning, and we shall continue to do so....

If 100 million illiterate, chest thumping fundos want to decide the destiny of Pakistan, will we let them? No my friend, I don't think so.

Many Zarvan's have come and gone.... we shall soon send him on some other Jehad.... he is a sheep....... needs to be herded.....

the majority of Pakistanis actually favor Islamic law as Zarvan pointed out...

you secular rats can get the hell out of Pakistan once in for all !

 

[syedali73]

لاہور(دنیا نیوز)جماعت اسلامی کے امیر سید منور حسن نے شمالی وزیرستان بمباری فوری روکنے کا مطالبہ کر دیا ، کہتے ہیں اگر آپریشن کا فیصلہ ہو چکا تو اعلان کیا جائے۔منور حسن نے وزیراعظم کو دونوں مذاکراتی کمیٹیوں کا اپنی سربراہی میں اجلاس بلانے کی بھی تجویز دیدی۔

لاہور میں تربیت گاہ سے خطاب اور میڈیا سے گفتگو میں سید منور حسن کا کہنا تھا کہ حکومتی کمیٹی کو قطعی اختیار نہیں تھا کہ مذاکرات کا بائیکاٹ کرتی۔ مذاکرات کو ہر صورت کامیاب بنانے کی کوشش ہونی چاہئے ۔ شمالی وزیرستان میں بمباری سے خوف و ہراس پیدا کرنے کی کوشش کی جا رہی ہے۔جماعت اسلامی کے امیر کا کہنا تھا کہ اگر آپریشن کا فیصلہ ہو چکا تو قوم کو بتایا جائے کہ یہ فیصلہ کس نے کیا ہے۔منور حسن نے واضح کیا کہ دنیا بھر میں جنگ بھی جاری رہتی ہے اور مذاکرات کی میز بھی بچھی رہتی ہے۔مذاکرات ناکام بھی ہوجائیں تو ملٹری آپریشن کا پھر بھی نہیں سوچنا چاہئے ۔

What a hypocrite and loser is this Munawwar Hasan. Never thinks before speaking it seems. On one hand, he is saying that negotiations continue with wars, and in the same line saying, even if the negotiations fail, they should not even think of military operation. Is he on some kind of weed or something?

 

[Hyperion]

Yet, your statements are so contradictory to Islamic values of peace........

yo son just don't piss me off again.
i won't tolerate if you ever try to associate me with fundamentalism.
i am a muslim but i don't enforce my beliefs on others.

 

[Farooq]

Aap kay chacha gee ka gharr hai, Pakistan? We have controlled your destinies from the beginning, and we shall continue to do so....

If 100 million illiterate, chest thumping fundos want to decide the destiny of Pakistan, will we let them? No my friend, I don't think so.

Many Zarvan's have come and gone.... we shall soon send him on some other Jehad.... he is a sheep....... needs to be herded.....

tell me boy who let you of your cage to talk such nonsense ?

 

[Areesh]

لاہور(دنیا نیوز)جماعت اسلامی کے امیر سید منور حسن نے شمالی وزیرستان بمباری فوری روکنے کا مطالبہ کر دیا ، کہتے ہیں اگر آپریشن کا فیصلہ ہو چکا تو اعلان کیا جائے۔منور حسن نے وزیراعظم کو دونوں مذاکراتی کمیٹیوں کا اپنی سربراہی میں اجلاس بلانے کی بھی تجویز دیدی۔

لاہور میں تربیت گاہ سے خطاب اور میڈیا سے گفتگو میں سید منور حسن کا کہنا تھا کہ حکومتی کمیٹی کو قطعی اختیار نہیں تھا کہ مذاکرات کا بائیکاٹ کرتی۔ مذاکرات کو ہر صورت کامیاب بنانے کی کوشش ہونی چاہئے ۔ شمالی وزیرستان میں بمباری سے خوف و ہراس پیدا کرنے کی کوشش کی جا رہی ہے۔جماعت اسلامی کے امیر کا کہنا تھا کہ اگر آپریشن کا فیصلہ ہو چکا تو قوم کو بتایا جائے کہ یہ فیصلہ کس نے کیا ہے۔منور حسن نے واضح کیا کہ دنیا بھر میں جنگ بھی جاری رہتی ہے اور مذاکرات کی میز بھی بچھی رہتی ہے۔مذاکرات ناکام بھی ہوجائیں تو ملٹری آپریشن کا پھر بھی نہیں سوچنا چاہئے ۔

What a hypocrite and loser is this Munawwar Hasan. Never thinks before speaking it seems. On one hand, he is saying that negotiations continue with wars, and in the same line saying, even if the negotiations fail, they should not even think of military operation. Is he on some kind of weed or something?

That's why I said. We need one operation in mansoora too. This guy needs to be shut up for good.

 

[Hyperion]

Out of my cage, you meant, I presume? Papa bear let me out........ and I maybe the Mehdi you people have been waiting for..... to wipe the slate clean of all fanatics.......

tell me boy who let you of your cage to talk such nonsense ?

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

@Hyperion salamuna andiwala