Militants getting weapons form Afghanistan: IG FC

[metalfalcon]

What are they going to do with UAV's? Lol, the control center from where they are operated are in the middle of a fortified garrison. Besides, who'd teach them the basics?

I don't think the talibs would get a hold of this any time soon

I Think They will just Take the Sony Cybershot Camera ( 11 Megapixel with 20X Optical Zoom ) and make some HIGH QUALITY Videos of OSAMA and ZAWAHRI for special Occasions Like USA Presidential Elections .

 

[S-2]

Don't think that you've read my posts here very well.

Pay isn't part of the conversation.

Money for weapons is and I've commented on that here.

Hope that helps.

"...you seem highly critical..."

Maybe. If so, there is a long line forming.

"...and biased towards Pakistan..."

It's just a place like many others. I AM biased towards the people, many here of whom I'd like to call friends despite my assessment of political issues surrounding our two nations.

I reject that America is Pakistan's enemy. I reject that it's our fault that your western region is radicalized. I reject that it's acceptable for a war to be waged on Afghanistan, it's citizens, the U.N. and NATO/ISAF from within Pakistan. I accept the use of PREDATOR to ameliorate that condition.

These assertions of mine often find me in conflict with many here.

Seems plain enough.

 

[koolio]

Yes S-2 thats your opinion but the bottom line is these drone strikes are proving to be counterproductive they are killing countless civilians which is totally unacceptable and violates the sovereignty of pakistan sooner or later these drones will be shot down by the army its just a matter of time.

 

[zhero]

"sooner or later these drones will be shot down by the army its just a matter of time."

- I don't think that they will be shot down. They will stop when the US & PA decide that the risks outweigh the rewards. I believe that this has been discussed in other threads...

 

[BATMAN]

Money, yeah, in the form of dope.

Why would they waist their dope while they can earn billions by shipping it to west.

I don't know about weapons

Clearly, You don't wish to know other wise the only fact that reports is comming out of our security agency is credible enough for us. Where as this particular news quoted that source is head of security operations in north.

unless they're coming in from Tajikistan or Iran, through Afghanistan, and into Pakistan. That seems terribly convoluted and would make little sense.

I wonder why you didn't named China.... nice try

Personally, I think you've buyers in the gulf states that are shipping weapons through Karachi and then trucked north to FATA, maybe in the same convoys as NATO supplies before turning off.

Now do you have any reports to base your theory or this time your target audiance of your brain stroming was Obama administration!

 

[S-2]

"Why would they waist their dope while they can earn billions by shipping it to west."

There's about $100-300m going to the militants/criminals. Farmers take about $750m. Distributors,local dealers, labs, chemists, etc pull the rest. Too, it's hard to imagine but we're seeing dope show up among the militants themselves.

Some of THOSE lads are sportin' a pretty hefty scag habit. Seems they spike it too.

"Clearly, You don't wish to know other wise the only fact that reports is comming out of our security agency is credible enough for us."

Yes. There are many here easily swayed.

"I wonder why you didn't named China.... nice try"

Lots of Precursor drugs coming in from China to Pakistan and Afghanistan. I suppose weapons could too and would certainly consider it VERY possible. That said, do your Chinese friends understand that those mean men are turning those sold weapons against you and not us?

"Now do you have any reports to base your theory..."

Sheer raw unmitigated speculation. Nothing but.

 

[S-2]

"they are killing countless civilians..."

Oh maybe a hundred or so, most of whom are very much targets. My advice to your FATA citizens is to not allow these men into their homes and resist with every means available. Abetting these men makes them targets too and the only remorse I feel is for the children of these terrible parents.

Meanwhile, your nation has sheltered men who have killed "countless civilians" in Afghanistan and have been doing so since early 2002.

Afghans have no choice and have died in numbers far greater than any suffering in FATA. Those that harbor these worthless fcuks do have a choice and I shed no tears for them.

NONE.

 

[SSGPA1]

"they are killing countless civilians..."

Oh maybe a hundred or so, most of whom are very much targets. My advice to your FATA citizens is to not allow these men into their homes and resist with every means available. Abetting NONE.

This thread is about 'Militants getting weapons form Afghanistan: IG FC ' ...

Uncle Sam can you further enlighten us if this is true or not?

Oh but why ask, US, India and Israel can't do anything wrong.

Sad that people are losing the desire to co-exist ...

 

[Kasrkin]

Unlike Afghanistan, though, Pakistan has a major port.

Well, Pakistan is not the only country that shares a border with Afghanistan and it is certainly not the only country with a port and/or infrastructure required to make/transport weapons in such a scale.

Jalaluddin and Sirajuddin Haqqani have a massive and old network that might have more extensive supply requirements. So too Gulbuddin Hekmatyar.

I certainly won't deny that both the Haqqanis and Hekmatyar run formidable operations, they were a big deal back in the Soviet days no doubt. But I think your information is lacking in this regard. Haqqani and Hekmatyar were a big deal back in the 80s because of Pakistani intelligence support. The ISI had complete monopoly over the weapons acquisition, supply and distribution to the Mujahedeen groups (despite the CIAs best efforts to ensure supply directly to rebel field commanders). All equipment was first stocked at Pakistani arms depots, garrisons and bases to be supplied to appropriate groups in the appropriate ratios. Point is it was considered a matter of leverage for Pakistan and military survival for the Afghan commanders. The groups that endangered our interests or were incompetent were left out of the loop. So Haqqani and Hekmatyar and a couple of others were what they were because of Pakistani sponsorship, nothing else.

That, needless to say, is not the case anymore. So to argue that ‘just because they did it before, they can do it again’ doesn’t really fit here. Other than that you may find the prospect of arms supply from the north too 'irregular' or 'troublesome' for the Taliban, then I'd say the same about Karachi which is under the domain of the very people they're using the weapons on.

to suggest that they are purchased there, brought into Afghanistan and then transported through your eastern borders in scale capable of meeting and sustaining the arms needs of just these two prominent irhabists doesn't match the road networks nor the security risks when other options might be available.

And yet, the BBC report uncovers exactly this. The trucks had the appropriate clearance with the appropriate warlords with the appropriate contacts. Actually I think the trucks were stopped, only to be released after a phone call or two.

I can assure you, security ‘risks’ do exist in Pakistan’s much more standardized, streamed and handled customs and transport infrastructure departments. Much more than in Afghanistan, I dare say…

This, of course, doesn't even suggest that the ISI has retained links to certain elements deemed indispensible to their long-term objectives.

I’m afraid that is exactly what you’re suggesting when you talk about such streamlined weapons supply from the country’s official ports. Like I said, they’re a lot of weapons lying around in Afghanistan (which means Pakistan too), many Afghan war/drug lords and other groups keep importing, Iranians and Tajikistani groups are also involved apparently, Taliban elements have dealings with some ANP/ANA linked entities. Then there is this whole booming drug business with its own connections. But since you’re insisting on Taliban supplies coming in with NATO trucks from Karachi and the consequent shipping lanes, then I’m afraid I’m obliged to object.

Nada so I won't follow-up with my speculation but I hardly believe it to be naive or uninformed and is certainly worthy of serious consideration if truly interested in determining where weapons arrive from and to where they are ultimately destined.

I’m familiar with our inspection regime at ports and beyond. These aren’t powdered drugs you can hide in a teddy bear, or even an illegal submachine gun that you strip down and conceal. There we would have 12.7mm Machine guns and RPGs. It would take containers worth of arms and ammunition; stuff that is much easier to detect. I refuse to acknowledge the naïve-ness and/or fraudulence you’re attributing to the Pakistani system. I would consider claims of our intelligence’s complicity BS, and failure to intercept arms that are coming from their ports and killing their men unrealistic.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

More details on Maj Gen Tariq Khan's senate briefing:

FC IG says tribal system, new FATA cabinet solution to problem​

* Maj Gen Tariq tells Senate Committee on Defence FCR cannot be withdrawn
* Says use of military alone will not solve problems in Tribal Areas
* Afghan refugees settled must be repatriated
* Tribal lashkars cannot fight Taliban without support of government
* FATA official says dialogue won’t be effective

By Tahir Niaz

ISLAMABAD: The tribal system should be restored and a new FATA cabinet should be formed under the NWFP governor to look after the affairs of the Tribal Areas, Frontier Corps (FC) Inspector General Maj Gen Tariq Khan has suggested as a ‘suitable solution’ to the problems in the region.

This recommendation – which was made during a briefing on the ‘Security Operation in FATA’ on December 18 to the Senate Standing Committee on Defence – was part of the committee’s report on the briefing which was tabled in the Senate on Friday.

The FC inspector general also proposed that FATA MNAs report directly to the NWFP governor – which would be a ‘more hands-on approach’.

FCR: Gen Tariq told the Senate committee that the Frontier Crimes Regulation (FCR) could not be withdrawn – as “it is a system that has evolved over centuries”.

He also called for more equipment for the FC to facilitate communication and mobility. He said $395 million of US aid had initially been allocated to the force, but the sum had been slashed to $75 and the FC had so far only received equipment worth $30 million.

Military: About the future strategy for the Tribal Areas, Tariq said the use of military alone would not solve the problem. He said a judicial system needed to be in place to deal with the Taliban.

He told the Senate body that Afghan refugees in Pakistan needed to be repatriated. “Their comfort zone has risen to the extant that they carry Pakistani ID Cards and passports,” he said.

The inspector general said that the sectarian tensions in Kurram Agency were now under control. But said there was still a need to settle long-standing issues of the area through political will and development in the region.

Lashkars: He told the committee members that lashkars had been raised in the Tribal Areas to fight the Taliban, but without proper government support, the tribesmen could not deal with the militant group. He said that following a military operation in Bajaur, the “centre of gravity of the militants is now emanating from Waziristan, and if not checked, militancy will continue”. He further told the committee that families in Bajaur had been asked by the Taliban to support the group financially.

Contrary to the recommendation by the FC inspector general calling for dialogue to resolve FATA problems, FATA Additional Chief Secretary Habibullah Khan told the committee that talks were not the right way forward. He said, “The real question is who should we hold dialogue with ... on what terms, did the militants ask for it and are they willing for a settlement?”

He also told the committee that Taliban supply lines and funding were still intact. “There is a credibility gap between the government action and public perception,” he said. “The political parties, civil society and religious leaders are not making a united stand over the issue.
Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan
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Good to hear about the FC pay scale being brought in line with the Army's. I hope more than the 30 million utilized so far gets applied to the FC going forward.

 

[Omar1984]

There needs to be more media coverage on this.

We all know how our arch-rival Indians are roaming around Afghanistan, maybe RAW invited their best friend MOSSAD so they can cause more trouble in Pakistan.

Pakistan should be careful with some of its so called allies also inside Afghanistan.

Pakistanis' safety should come before anyone else's.