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MiG29 SMT Vs Gripen NG

Zurich radarr of Mig 29 is awesome!!!!!!!!

Mig 29 wins.

Zhuk, not Zurich.

Radar is only one part of the overall detection package. The Gripen-NG has far superior avionics and datalink, and some very innovative ways to give better airspace awareness to pilots. For example, the radars of three or four Gripens can work together as a multistatic (don't know if that's the correct term) entity. There is a reason why we let the grip-NG compete in our MMRCA competition to serve us for the next 30 years, but not the mig-29.

Besides, even comparing the radars, I doubt if the mechanically scanned Zhuk-ME can be as good as the AESA on the NG. Zhuk-AE, maybe. But the SMT uses ME.

@gambit might know more about datalinks and radars working in tandem. Or @Skull and Bones, since he studies electronics.
 
TIDLS (datalink)
One Gripen can provide radar sensing for four of its colleagues, allowing a single fighter to track a target, while the others use the data for a stealthy attack. TIDLS also permits multiple fighters to quickly and accurately lock onto a target's track through triangulation from several radars; or allows one fighter to jam a target while another tracks it; or allows multiple fighters to use different radar frequencies collaboratively to "burn through" jamming transmissions. TIDLS also gives the Gripen transparent access to the SAAB-Ericsson 340B Erieye "mini-AWACs" aircraft, as well as the overall ground command and control system. This system provides Sweden with an impressive defensive capability at a cost that, though still high, is less than that of comparable systems elsewhere.



TIDLS can connect up to four aircraft in a full-time two-way link. It has a range of 500 km and is highly resistant to jamming; almost the only way to jam the system is to position a jammer aircraft directly between the two communicating Gripens. Its basic modes include the ability to display the position, bearing, and speed of all four aircraft in a formation, including basic status information such as fuel and weapons state. The TIDLS is fundamentally different from broadcast-style links like Link 16. It serves fewer users but links them more closely together, exchanging much more data, and operating much closer to real time.

TIDLS information, along with radar, EW, and mapping data, appears on the central MFD. The display reflects complete sensor fusion: a target that is being tracked by multiple sources is one target on the screen. Detailed symbols distinguish between friendlies, hostiles, and unidentified targets and show who has targeted whom.

Jas 39 Gripen NG
 
Zhuk, not Zurich.


thank you.

Both Plane may have various advantages in different departments but so fare as Raw performance and dog fight is concern, Mig 29 is unbeatable. Mig 29 is a lethal interceptor having a very high acceleration and unparallel dog fight capability.
 
Hi Guys, any comparisons? :)

The Gripen NG is a 4.5th gen fighter and the comparable version of the Mig would be the Mig 35, not the SMT. The SMT loses out in most fields to the NG, be it maneuverability, RCS, radar, Supercruise capability....
The Mig 35 will be technically on the same stage and with TVC, should be more a match in terms of manuverability. IF it comes with additional fuel and hardpoints, it also would score higher in load capabilities, while the Gripen still outclasses the Mig in operational costs, or weapons and should have advantages at the EWS as well.

Gripen NG

That's a Gripen fanpage with highly unreliable specs!

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Gripen E specs based on the evaluation in Switzerland, the article was published on the official Saab website too:

http://www.google.de/url?sa=t&rct=j...IhbXedjGdE3nUp3KDb7Ir1g&bvm=bv.64367178,d.Yms
 
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i think it is not fair to compare two aircraft
Gripen NG will win with its modern avionics
 
MIG29SMT

Crew: 1
Number of Engines: 2
Dimensions
Height: 4.70 meter
Length: 17.3 meter (57 foot)
Main Gun Caliber: 30 millimeter
Wingspan: 11.4 meter (37.4 foot)
Performance
Ceiling: 17,700 meter (58,071 foot)
Max Range: 6,000 kilometer (3,240 nautical mile)
Min Range: 2,100 kilometer
Speed
Top Speed at High Altitude: 830 mps (2,989 kph)



Weapons of the MiG-29
The MiG-29 fighter is equipped with seven external weapon hardpoints. The aircraft can carry: up to two R-27 air-to-air medium-range missiles; six R-73 and R-60 air-to-air short range missiles; four pods of S-5, S-8, S-24 unguided rockets; air bombs weighing up to 3,000kg and 30mm built-in aircraft gun with 150 rounds of ammunition.

The R-27 medium-range air-to-air missile is supplied by the Vympel State Engineering Design Bureau, based in Moscow. The R-27 is available in two configurations: the R-27R, which has a semi-active radar homing head and inertial navigation control with a radio link and the R-27T missile, which is fitted with an infrared homing head.

The missile can intercept targets with a speed of up to 3,500km/h at altitudes from 0.02-27km, and the maximum vertical separation between the aircraft and the target is 10km.

The Vympel R-73 missile is an all-aspect, short-range air-to-air missile known by the Nato codename AA-11 Archer. The missile has cooled infrared homing and can intercept targets at altitudes between 0.02 and 20km, target g-load to 12g, and with target speeds to 2,500km/h.

The Vympel R-60 (Nato codename AA-8 Aphid) short-range air-to-air missile can engage targets manoeuvring at an acceleration up to 12g. The R-60M has an expanded range of target designation angles to ±20°, a heavier warhead and an upgraded infrared homing head with photodetector cooling.

Targeting systems
The aircraft is equipped with an information and fire control radar system comprising: an N-019 radar developed by Phazotron Research and Production Company, Moscow; an infrared search and track sensor; a laser rangefinder and a helmet-mounted target designator.

For longer-range air combat, the MiG-29 uses radar guidance for the R-27 missile.

Thales TopSight-E helmet-mounted sight and display (HMDS) is being fitted to aircraft for the Indian Navy. Integration phase of the upgrade encompassing ejection seats, weapon delivery and navigation system was completed in November 2009. Thales will also supply TOTEM 3000 Inertial Navigation and GPS.

MiG-29 engines
The MiG-29 is equipped with two RD-33 turbofan engines.

"The mission of the MiG-29 is to destroy hostile air targets within radar coverage limits and to destroy ground targets."
The MiG-29 is the world's first aircraft fitted with dual-mode air intakes. During flight, the open air intakes feed air to the engines.

While moving on the ground, the air intakes are closed and air is fed through the louvres on the upper surface of the wing root to prevent ingestion of foreign objects from the runway. This is particularly important when operating from poorly prepared airfields.

The engines provide a maximum speed of 2,400km/h at altitude and 1,500km/h near the ground and the service ceiling is 18,000m. The maximum range at altitude is 1,500km and 700km near the ground. RD-33 engines for Indian Air Force MiG-29 aircraft are to be license-built in India, under an agreement signed in January 2007.

Performance of the MiG-29 Fulcrum
The MiG-29 can climb at the rate of 330m/s. The maximum and cruise speed of the aircraft are 2,400km/h and 1500km/h, respectively. The ferry range is 2,100km. Its range and service ceiling are 1,430km and 18,000m respectively.

The aircraft weighs around 11,000kg and its maximum take-off weight is 18,000kg.

MiG-29 Fulcrum Fighter Bomber - Airforce Technology

As India has agreed on giving from its own side then Afghan Air Force should ask Russia for:
100 Mig-35s
50 Yak-130s
210 Mi-17 V5s
210 Ka-60
100 Ka-52 Alligator

Along with training, support and weapons.
 
As India has agreed on giving from its own side then Afghan Air Force should ask Russia for:
100 Mig-35s
50 Yak-130s
210 Mi-17 V5s
210 Ka-60
100 Ka-52 Alligator

Along with training, support and weapons.
@araz
 
GripenNG has better avonics and AESA radar. So no comparision unless Mig29SMTs get AESA radars too which is unlikely though available(Zhuk-AE).
 
GripenNG has better avonics and AESA radar. So no comparision unless Mig29SMTs get AESA radars too which is unlikely though available(Zhuk-AE).

We need fga-29 and not zhuk-ae.

Most probably zhuk ae will never be fitted to a fighter due to primitive design and shitty specs
 
We need fga-29 and not zhuk-ae.

Most probably zhuk ae will never be fitted to a fighter due to primitive design and shitty specs
We need fga-29 and not zhuk-ae.

Most probably zhuk ae will never be fitted to a fighter due to primitive design and shitty specs
Did you mean fga-35? Because basic zhuk ae has two types, fga29 and upgraded fga35 with greater range and tr modules.
 
Gripen NG

* Length: 14.1 m
* Span: 8.4 m
* Height: 4.5 m
* Empty weight: 5700 kg
* Normal take off weight: 8500 kg in fighter configuration
* Payload: 6300 kg
* Fuel, internal: 4140 litres approx
* External: 3800 litres
* Max take off weight: 16000 kg
* Range: 3500 km ferry range
* Max speed: Mach 2
* t/w 22000 >26000nm
*thrust vectoring (maybe for new generention)
* Acceleration: M 0.5 to M 1.1 at low altitude in 30 s (old engine)
* Turn performance: 9 G sustained, G onset rate at least 6 G/s (1-9 G in 1.2 s), min -3 G, 20+ deg/s sustained, 30 deg/s instantaneous

Fuel fractions (Full internal fuel in liter/full internal fuel in liter+ empty weight in kg):

Gripen NG (~3150/3150 + 7100): 0.31


Thrust to weight ratio (Thrust in kg/Full internal fuel in liter+ empty weight in kg + 4*BVR, 2*WVR ~1000 kg)

Gripen NG (11975/3150 + 7100 + ~1000): 1.06



Engine: Volvo Aero RM12 (developed from GE F404 with the changes being at least new fan, afterburner flame holder and accessories, partly to make it more suitable to a single engine aircraft)
Max thrust: approx 54 kN, 80.5 kN with reheat, airflow 68 kg/s, compression ratio 27.5:1, mass 1055 kg, overall length 4.04 m, diameter 0.884 m, inlet diameter 0.709 m
  • 9 G sustained with high onset rate, at least 30 s after 6 G/s and at least 7 G after a gradual (0.1 G/s) onset without anti-G straining manoeuvre
  • Biological and chemical warfare protection
  • High altitude protection, including explosive decompression
  • Arctic climate and cold water survival
  • High temperatures (fire) protection both in cockpit and on the ground
  • Air blast protection for ejection speeds up to 600 kt
  • Thermal protection
Radar: Ericsson PS-05/A pulse doppler radar (can count anchored ships and follow road traffic at at least 90 km and detect typical fighter sized targets at 120 km).

Jas 39 Gripen NG

This seems to be an old spec. Gripen NG will use the General Electric F414G engine and a different radar.

"With the world’s only 2nd generation AESA radar, ES 05 Raven, Gripen NG will secure its advantages in situational awareness. The ES 05 Raven developed by Selex-Galileo, together with Saab and Brazilian Industry, is the only fighter radar on the market with a moving swash plate allowing cover of scan angles up to ±100°. The new radar will improve all aspects compared to legacy radars, such as:

  • improved target tracking
  • wide field of regard
  • mode flexibility
  • increased detection range
  • improved electronic support measurements
  • increased operational availability together with lower life cycle costs. "
 

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