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Russian Air Force may receive fifth-generation fighter in 2013

16:18 | 07/ 07/ 2008
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ZHUKOVSKY (Moscow Region), July 7 (RIA Novosti) - Russia is expecting a new fifth-generation fighter to enter service in 2013, the Air Force commander said on Monday.

"We will begin test flights [of the new fighter] in 2009, and hope to receive the aircraft in 2013," Col. Gen. Alexander Zelin said.

The new fighter aircraft, tentatively designated as the Sukhoi PAK FA or T-50, will be built at the Komsomolsk-on-Amur aircraft manufacturing plant in Russia's Far East.

The T-50 fighter, equipped with two powerful engines with thrust vectoring, will feature high maneuverability and stealth to ensure air superiority and precision in destroying ground and sea targets.

Some experts believe the PAK FA fighter has been designed to be comparable to both the American F-22 Raptor and F-35 Lightning II.

It will eventually replace the MiG-29 Fulcrum and Su-27 Flanker fighters in the Russian Air Force and will be exported to other countries.

Please note in the article you have posted here. The words "MAY" receive. th fact that the dates have moved from flight in 2007 to 2009 and operational in 2013 instead of 2012

By which time the F-22 will be probably be in block 2 or 3 with even more advancements on it. It wil also have been operational for 10 years. To be honest given the Russians past record I doubt they will be able to bring in a plane to match the F-22 in LESS time AND MONEY. I would suggest that it will be at least 2010 for the first flight and 2014 for any sort of operational ability.
 
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Well I am not an expert but considering the present status of Russian funding I doubt the PAKFA shall ever go beyond drawing board unless either they increase the funding many folds or find a foreign partner to fund the program. India has already entered the program so it is likely that they shall bear a substantial portion of the cost. So the plane might fly but not in the near future and after 2010 definitely.

Then there is another problem Indians have been notoriously slow with their own programs how they manage a program in a third country is yet to be seen. Their might arise several issues that shall delay the progress.

Just keep your fingers crossed and see when this Raptor killer actually is born and then learns to fly before killing any opponet.
 
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If Indians can't decide about MMRCA and can't even rollout LCA after 20 years take PAKFA to be out after 40 years:)
 
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Dear ejaz007; sir
dear sir, its not that "Sukhoi PAK FA or T-50" is not flying, it is in flying but yes it isnt reach to the production phase. also i am not saying that (Sukhoi PAK FA or T-50) is in production.
Actully the world is eying "Sukhoi PAK FA or T-50" as real challenge to raptor, that is the very reason, why we are having this thread, its not a problum to disscuss it, i dont see any harm in it, scince i had started this thread , i got numbers of posts suggesting to stop it,or accept the raptor's edge, but still i kept this thread running , because it seems a littile bais that every thing from USA , has been declared the best.:angry::disagree:
which is sort of unfair , i guss!
so its a kind a balancing thread!
thanks for you input.
regards

Where is this PAK FA flying.
 
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Where is this PAK FA flying.

Russia to start flight tests of fifth-generation fighter in 2009


MOSCOW, April 3 (RIA Novosti) - Russia plans to begin flight tests of a new fifth-generation fighter in 2009, the Russian industry and energy minister said on Thursday.

"The development of a fifth-generation Advanced Tactical Frontline Fighter is being carried out under the Sukhoi PAK FA project," Viktor Khristenko said in a report posted on the ministry's website.

"The flight tests of the aircraft are scheduled to begin in 2009," he said.

The new fighter aircraft, which will feature high maneuverability and stealth to ensure air superiority and precision in destroying ground and sea targets, will be built at the Komsomolsk-on-Amur aircraft-manufacturing plant in Russia's Far East.

Some experts believe the PAK FA fighter has been designed to be comparable to both the American F-22 Raptor and F-35 Lightning II.

It will eventually replace the MiG-29 Fulcrum and Su-27 Flanker fighters in the Russian Air Force and will be exported to other countries.

RIA Novosti - Russia - Russia to start flight tests of fifth-generation fighter in 2009


It should be tested in Russia.
 
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PAKFA on the paper in drawer lol.

Dear luftwaffe, sir
no, PAKFA(T50) not on just a drawing on some paper, its a high quality project, also its proto-type is flying in the russian space.
yes there are some delays , on the production line, but its is the most watched & most talked russian project, in compitition with USA's f22 raptor!
 
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nvm sir even if its out of the drawer in the hanger01 still its not much talked about.
 
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nvm sir even if its out of the drawer in the hanger01 still its not much talked about.

Dear luftwaffe;sir
well, i told you the reason, if you kindly vist the other fourms, around the net, i guss you will not find a single project which can become a challenge for f-22.
thats a very enough reason , the pakfa was bieng disscused sir!
i hope , i had cleared your mind about that mess!:)
 
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he reason this thread has continued is simple. You are a idiot who has not been keeping up with current events.
People have tried reason (People who know a lot more about aviation than you)And yet you carry on with your nonsense.

Lets take apart your idiocy in concise form shall we? Lets take a look at the glorious SU-47 or Golden eagle as it is known.

Number of production aircraft in Flight -------zero

Problems with the forward swept wing The Americans tested the forward swept wing concept 20 years ago and found it to more awkward due to issues with wing shearing. Despite advances in modern materials and design they still haven't adopted it due to poor performance at high speeds. In fact all the new computer generated images for the PAK-FA DON'T have that design and have a wing design similar to the F-22.

Stealth The SU-47 relies upon a RAM coating (As opposed to the more effective radar absorbing structures) as its primary means of stealth. This is much makes each aircraft subject to production and maintenance quality. Any small problem would greatly decrease the effectiveness of the stealth. And Russian production standards are much looser.

Why would they choose such a method? technological limitations......


Now the T-50 where do we start with that. Well lets start withe following with the highlighted relevant portions to sink into your thick skull.


The government commission decided on 26 April 2002 to choose the Sukhoi holding company as the head company to develop and produce the fighter of the fifth generation. The prototype of the PAK FA would take-off in 2006 and that in 2010 the aircraft would be ready for series production. The first deliveries, both for Russian armed forces and for export, would be possible in 2011-12.

The new airplane is being proposed to be brought from the concept design to a prototype series in less than 9 years. Historically, fourth and fifth generation fighters have not been created in less than 15 years. The Russian government has promised to allocate 1.5 billion dollars for the PAK FA through 2010. But the Russian Air Force is receiving less than 200 million dollars a year during this period, and will spend it primarily on other needs.

The prices and sources of funding will determine the destiny of the whole program. To date officials agree that the program will cost $1.5 billion. However, $1.5 billion is the sum needed for creating a new generation of avionics for the fighter (considering the fact that pre-production models of the phased array have already been produced, and will soon be tested). Completion of the AL-41F engine (present readiness is 30 percent) will require, in the opinion of the boss of Rosaviakosmos, 600 - 800 million dollars. Saturn said that launching of production of the AL-41F engine would take $150 million. An improved version of the AL-31F will be used on the aircraft originally (though it is not clear how these heavy motors are reconciled with the concept of a 20-ton fighter). The upgrade of these engines will require expenditures of 1.2-1.5 billion dollars. And finally, designers will have to spend several hundred millions of dollars on creating a new airframe.
According to some reports, India and Russia have agreed to jointly develop this fifth-generation fighter, under a scheduled with entery into service in 2009. This would be the first such joint development venture between the two countries.
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08.2007 according to VVS CINC PAK-FA project documentation transferred to plant-manufacturer.
PAK-FA Sukhoi T-50 | Russian Arms, Military Technology, Analysis of Russia's Military Forces


Now Batmannow please READ the above and tell me where the airplane is? Or the FUNDING for the airplane?

So far funding is only a fraction of that needed. And they are trying to do it in less time for less money.


you are trying to "balance" something that is not equal ERGO the scorn that is being poored upon you. Now take a look at the points I have have made and then tell me counter points If you cannot (ANd you haven't so far) then this thread will be closed because you are wasting everyone's time.

Dear Keysersoze; sir
"the reason this thread has continued is simple. You are a idiot who has not been keeping up with current events":tsk:
i havent seen this kind of personal vadata, and unlogical , & un morale langauge by any of the seniors on the fourm, its simple sir! this fourm provides us the oppourtunity to disscuss & explore the different subjects & issues , even they were about to happen or just a episode of the future!

for example ! on the fourm there are lots of different events and projects ,which were never happened or we had disscuss them in advance!
for the sake , of disscusions we can select any issue , if you dislike it plz leave it to others to judge by themselves, if the the thread doesnt worth it , i am sure it will not move forward.

by the way i never challenged anyones , qualifications on any subject, by your point of view , it would be like that, if some one want to post any thread , he must be a PHD on that subject?:eek::eek:

plz kindly let this thread judged by the people's themselves.
i am sory in advanced , if i posted any thing which makes you feel bad!
i hope , you will understand the decency of our relationship on this hounrable fourm.:agree:
thanks a lot, always looking for the guidness from the seniors!:agree::tup:
 
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dear batman Sir, again in ur world the much talked about project PAKFA..where are its videos/photos?i don't see it if its widely spoken about. Show me some real stuff out there about PAK-FA there are many forums about JXX too not much different than PAKFA. i hope I Cleared Ur mind.:) Even if you bring all nice stuff off the internet wall i highly doubt that this PAKFA would enter service in next 5 years..Or i guess Russian Govt is too stupid to invest in SU-35/37/PAKFA/etc etc etc without looking at their economy if u divert my atten to russian oil than my dear sir Nigerians have buckets full of oil why is their economy in toilet just to let you know for future ref...while looking at the Americans they have a good approach keep onetwo type of airplanes performing all sorts of duties..russians are messed up with SU-27 ABCDEFG, MIG29ABCDEFG, MIG31 etc etc, guess russians are confused..
you being senior know more than me sir i respect ur posts but regarding PAKFA i do no agree with you.
 
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batmannow, sometimes in this world you have to be cruel to be nice, besides, I can see nothing wrong with Keyseroze's post in response to you. :)
 
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dear batman Sir, again in ur world the much talked about project PAKFA..where are its videos/photos?i don't see it if its widely spoken about. Show me some real stuff out there about PAK-FA there are many forums about JXX too not much different than PAKFA. i hope I Cleared Ur mind.:) Even if you bring all nice stuff off the internet wall i highly doubt that this PAKFA would enter service in next 5 years..Or i guess Russian Govt is too stupid to invest in SU-35/37/PAKFA/etc etc etc without looking at their economy if u divert my atten to russian oil than my dear sir Nigerians have buckets full of oil why is their economy in toilet just to let you know for future ref...while looking at the Americans they have a good approach keep onetwo type of airplanes performing all sorts of duties..russians are messed up with SU-27 ABCDEFG, MIG29ABCDEFG, MIG31 etc etc, guess russians are confused..
you being senior know more than me sir i respect ur posts but regarding PAKFA i do no agree with you.

dear just try u-tube.... i guss you will find easly the video... also plz read all the thread.
about economy ! my dear totaly all the biggest economies around the world aRE STILL SUFFEREING FROM THE ECO-BLAST, which was happened in US OF A! how you think about the US economy right now?
your argument goes for USA too, right!... because USA is the worst hit master economy, is USA is willing to stop its war on terror in IRAQ & in AFGHANIASTAN? if your answer is no! then it should be clear for you till now.

no major militry powers of the world are going to stop thier defence expences, no matter what happened to thier economy!
about your reffernce to nigeria!
what can i say about it, just go and see the georgian war, that how NATO & USA were humiliated by the hands of mighty russians.:lol:

"russians are messed up with SU-27 ABCDEFG, MIG29ABCDEFG, MIG31 etc etc, guess russians are confused.".

dear sir, you can find it same in the case of f-16s abcd..... f-15cd.....f14ga, it s not the confusement... but its belong to different types of system configrations each birds gets.

well i agree to you whole heartdly , that its your justifyied right , to not to agree with me, and i hounor it with my heart.:tup:
thanks a lot , sir
have a very good luck on the fourm.:smitten:
 
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batmannow, sometimes in this world you have to be cruel to be nice, besides, I can see nothing wrong with Keyseroze's post in response to you. :)

Black Stone; sir
nobody put you a judge on affairs related to fourms, right
so plz dont act like that!
plz stick ! to your G-BOMB minded thinking!:lol:
thanks a lot
have a nice day!:D
 
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dear batman Sir, again in ur world the much talked about project PAKFA..where are its videos/photos?i don't see it if its widely spoken about. Show me some real stuff out there about PAK-FA there are many forums about JXX too not much different than PAKFA. i hope I Cleared Ur mind.:) Even if you bring all nice stuff off the internet wall i highly doubt that this PAKFA would enter service in next 5 years..Or i guess Russian Govt is too stupid to invest in SU-35/37/PAKFA/etc etc etc without looking at their economy if u divert my atten to russian oil than my dear sir Nigerians have buckets full of oil why is their economy in toilet just to let you know for future ref...while looking at the Americans they have a good approach keep onetwo type of airplanes performing all sorts of duties..russians are messed up with SU-27 ABCDEFG, MIG29ABCDEFG, MIG31 etc etc, guess russians are confused..
you being senior know more than me sir i respect ur posts but regarding PAKFA i do no agree with you.

The Russians are not the only ones confused. Every air force in the world has many different planes. USA has F-15s, F-16s, F-18s (navy) doing the job of multirole aircraft. Now they'll have F-22, F-35 and F/A-18E also joining the fleet, replacing the others. The chinese, indians and pakistanis all have many different aircrafts in their inventories performing all sorts of duties. Why does Pakistan need Mirage III, Mirage V, F-16, F-7 and F-16s?

Now, about PAKFA. The Russians have always been more secretive about their projects. Remember the MiG-25. Until a Soviet pilot defected, the west didn't know squat about the MiG-25, aside form the fact that it looked like a rip-off of the Avro Arrow.
 
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