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MI-35 deal between Moscow And Islamabad politically approved!

Well a single Mi-35 can carry a max of 3-4 stretchers. That too means no doctor or attendant. So 2 stretcher and a medical officer at max with equipment.

Also then external stores will have to be reduced and overall weapons config changes to a disadvantage. Can take more time to sanitize. This is not a flying hospital.

The Mi-26 is the flying hospital.
Wtf are you talkin about ? In operations against Taliban (like on Peochar mountains).. troops were airlifted (largest airborne ops)... And at landing they faced heavy resistance from Taliban in their dug out positions with heavy weapons and for that Cobras were used to provide cover ...
Meanwhile a 35 can be used in both modes to transport SF/troops aswell as provide cover at the same time .. Hence very suited for our needs.. (Although I personally wanted to se T-129... Which sadly isn't in production as of now):.

Gunships are useless in a conventional war.. Unless you are America and occupying a country ..:lol:.. Good for insurgencies and other ops though..
 
Than its your own fault that you trusted them so much .. And still bought stuff from them again and again?


like what ? Did you buy the hercs with ToT? Or anything else?
And yes we do buy equipment with TOT.. Can give you several examples like frigs,subs,midget subs,FACs,the recent purchase of the ships from Turkiye.. radars,arty from Turkiye and MLRS from China .. And so on ...





Nothing weird about that.. You can google it or search this forum.. You will find the proof and link of reliable
internstional sources Aswell as official PAF history etc..



Lmao .. Going by that logic our Cobras are as good as the most modernised Super Cobras in service .. :lol:

Do search or Google the difference between the old soviet made 25s with the new 35 variants ...
Hint even the rotar system is different ..

Lets see how it works.Till now you dont have any experience with Russians way.Now you will get that.
 
Wtf are you talkin about ? In operations against Taliban (like on Peochar mountains).. troops were airlifted (largest airborne ops)... And at landing they faced heavy resistance from Taliban in their dug out positions with heavy weapons and for that Cobras were used to provide cover ...
Meanwhile a 35 can be used in both modes to transport SF/troops aswell as provide cover at the same time .. Hence very suited for our needs.. (Although I personally wanted to se T-129... Which sadly isn't in production as of now):.

Gunships are useless in a conventional war.. Unless you are America and occupying a country ..:lol:.. Good for insurgencies and other ops though..

It can carry troops but max 8 troops or max 4 strechters.

You can't airlift an entire platoon.
 
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Get yourself acquainted with the machine and it's developmental progress if you haven't already.
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Pakistan Wins Approval To Purchase Mi-35 Helo

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ISLAMABAD — Pakistan’s attempts to acquire new helicopter gunships appear to be nearing success with news that a deal forMi-35 Hind helicopters has been approved.

Speaking to Radio Pakistan on Wednesday, Russia’s ambassador to Pakistan, Alexy Dedov, said the deal had been approved but political and commercial negotiations continued.

Pakistan has sought new helicopter gunships for the best part of a decade to replace AH-1F Cobras, which have been fast wearing out due to the pace of operations against the Pakistani Taliban(TTP) and its allies in and around the Tribal Areas bordering Afghanistan.

Analyst Haris Khan of the Pakistan Military Consortium think tank said Pak-Russian ties have been growing closer and more defense deals are likely.

“Ever since former President Musharraf and President Putin developed a rapport, the Pak-Russo relationship has taken a mutually beneficial path. Recently, Russian Navy ships have docked at Karachi and both the navies have indulged in naval exercises. Both Russia and China have also actively supported Pakistan to the Shanghai Cooperation Organization as a full member,” Khan said.

“In the coming weeks, Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoygu will be visiting Islamabad and more than likely the deal would be finalized. There is also a possibility of other military equipment that Pakistanis are interested in buying”, he added.

Similarly, Salma Malik, assistant professor in the Department of Defence & Strategic Studies, at Islamabad’s Quaid-i-Azam University, says there are political considerations that have come into play, and ultimately both sides benefit.

“This is not the first time Pakistan and Russia [formerly as the Soviet Union] have entered into high-level cooperation. Unfortunately like the past, this too is in the context of balancing relations vis a vis India. However, this time round the added dimension, which is positive for us, is the financial dividend and alternate military purchase option such a deal brings to both Russia and Pakistan, respectively,” she said.

She believes geo-political considerations have also pushed Russia to court Pakistan.

“Also in the backdrop of the Afghan scenario, however grudgingly, the international powers have to accept and acknowledge Pakistan’s role in a peaceful and stable future, which is beneficial to all, and with lesser friends in the international circuit [because of the] Ukrainian issue, Moscow would not like to lose out on any footholds it can reach in case of a breakout of a new Cold War.”

Though the Defence Ministry here did not reply to requests for clarification on details of the deal, the variant being negotiated for is the Mi-35M all weather day/night capable version.

Analyst, author and former Australian defense attache to Pakistan, Brian Cloughley, welcomes the deal despite the obvious cost issues for Pakistan, and highlights how it will bring Pakistan and Russia closer.

“It certainly seems that the deal will go ahead, but of course the financial details are most important. It is highly likely that Russia will offer very attractive terms and also lock Pakistan into a long-term agreement, which will be no bad thing for either country,” he said.

Adding, “It’s politically even more significant than it is militarily important,” as it would help Pakistan “even more on the international stage, and gradually remove it from US dominance, which has grown increasingly intense in the past five years.”

In purely military terms he believes the Hind will be warmly welcomed.

“Certainly it’s going to help Pakistan enormously, by putting in place a [comparatively] cheap, well-proven [general purpose], but mainly attack helicopter,” he said.

“For COIN and such against militants it is a viable platform,” Khan said. “It is heavily armored, has weapons for its own defense and to a certain degree offense, and is a combination of armored gunship and troop transport which has no equal in the world.”

There were generally considered to be three long-term alternatives to the AH-1F.

The Turkish TAI T-129 nearly secured an order from Pakistan but a potential deal was scuppered due to financial difficulties despite very generous terms offered by Turkey.

It had been seen as a strong contender by analysts, however, and was deemed to be ideally suited to Pakistan’s topography and climate.

The Chinese CAIC WZ-10 was also thought to be an increasingly strong option, not least because of the generous financial terms the Chinese would have been able to offer.

Despite it being a relatively new type, Douglas Barrie, senior fellow for Military Aerospace at the International Institute for Strategic Studies, believed an export is possible.

“The Chinese military appears now to be building experience with its Z-10 units, including mixed type exercises. Developing the tactics and procedures to gain the most from what at least seems a reasonably capable attack helicopter is an ongoing process,” he said.

“While comparatively early in terms of its service life, an export at this point would not be impossible,” he added.

What many had considered a natural option, and which had been much discussed over the years, the US AH-1Z Viper, is seen as increasingly unlikely despite some support from the US State Department.

Cloughley said the Hind is Pakistan’s only likely acquisition.

“The Cobra was getting too expensive to run, and replacements weren’t likely to be approved by Congress, even if Pakistan could afford them. Don’t think the 129 is in there,” he said. ■

Email: uansari@defensenews.com.

Pakistan Wins Approval To Purchase Mi-35 Helo | Defense News | defensenews.com
 
Wtf are you talking about ? In operations against Taliban (like on Peochar mountains).. troops were airlifted (largest airborne ops)... And at landing they faced heavy resistance from Taliban in their dug out positions with heavy weapons and for that Cobras were used to provide cover ...
Meanwhile a 35 can be used in both modes to transport SF/troops as well as provide cover at the same time .. Hence very suited for our needs.. (Although I personally wanted to se T-129... Which sadly isn't in production as of now):.

Gunships are useless in a conventional war.. Unless you are America and occupying a country ..:lol:.. Good for insurgencies and other ops though.

Again i will like to point out that any Mi35 procurement will be for a specific role, the war against TTP. It is not an alternative to T-129 or WZ-10 that will be our front line anti Armour role tank, to be blunt, the one that will be procured to fight an armored invasion on our eastern borders. Fitted with next generation avionics and arsenal.
For TTP, we need a rugged platform, which do not necessarily carry the latest jammers or IR suppressors or high tech technology but is able to do the basics right, have heavy fire power, good protection, is able to insert troops in war zone and carry them back AND all that come without paying for expensive helicopters from west. keeping in mind all this Mi35 is THE BEST option.
 
Again i will like to point out that any Mi35 procurement will be for a specific role, the war against TTP. It is not an alternative to T-129 or WZ-10 that will be our front line anti Armour role tank, to be blunt, the one that will be procured to fight an armored invasion on our eastern borders. Fitted with next generation avionics and arsenal.
For TTP, we need a rugged platform, which do not necessarily carry the latest jammers or IR suppressors or high tech technology but is able to do the basics right, have heavy fire power, good protection, is able to insert troops in war zone and carry them back AND all that come without paying for expensive helicopters from west. keeping in mind all this Mi35 is THE BEST option.

There were generally considered to be three long-term alternatives to the AH-1F.

The Turkish TAI T-129 nearly secured an order from Pakistan but a potential deal was scuppered due to financial difficulties despite very generous terms offered by Turkey.

It had been seen as a strong contender by analysts, however, and was deemed to be ideally suited to Pakistan’s topography and climate.

The Chinese CAIC WZ-10 was also thought to be an increasingly strong option, not least because of the generous financial terms the Chinese would have been able to offer.

Despite it being a relatively new type, Douglas Barrie, senior fellow for Military Aerospace at the International Institute for Strategic Studies, believed an export is possible.

What many had considered a natural option, and which had been much discussed over the years, the US AH-1Z Viper, is seen as increasingly unlikely despite some support from the US State Department.

Cloughley said the Hind is Pakistan’s only likely acquisition.

The Cobra was getting too expensive to run, and replacements weren’t likely to be approved by Congress, even if Pakistan could afford them. Don’t think the 129 is in there,” he said.
MI-35 deal between Moscow And Islamabad politically approved! | Page 8

Pakistan chose MI-35 because of its cost, apart from its obvious use in COIN role.
Lets face the reality, we don't have cash, not even to finance WZ-10 deal, let just put T-129 aside.
One T-129 costs equal or more to a JF-17, don't think Pakistan would ever buy it.
 
It can carry troops but max 8 troops or max 4 strechters.

You can't airlift an entire platoon.
look at it like this, it can carry an additional 8 troops with providing necessary fire power to ensure drop off by accompanying transport helicopters. :)
 
MI-35 deal between Moscow And Islamabad politically approved! | Page 8



Pakistan chose MI-35 because of its cost, apart from its obvious use in COIN role.

Lets face the reality, we don't have cash, not even to finance WZ-10 deal, let just put T-129 aside.

One T-129 costs equal or more to a JF-17, don't think Pakistan would ever buy it.



I cannot agree with you that Pakistan will never buy it but do agree that we do not have the cash for T-129 currently.

However, the question is, if we had the cash, could we have got T-129 now? the answer to that is NO and it is pretty much the same for WZ10. The Mi35 is a quick procurement meant to support ONGOING operation where as T129 and WZ10 are investments for future. Also we cannot deny that WZ10 or even T129 do not match Mi35 in the described role. Getting Mi35 will not satisfy our needs for a front line high tech attack helicopter that is required to deal with any armored attack threat. For that we will still required T129 or WZ10 in future. It is only a case of WHEN!
 
I cannot agree with you that Pakistan will never buy it but do agree that we do not have the cash for T-129 currently.

However, the question is, if we had the cash, could we have got T-129 now? the answer to that is NO and it is pretty much the same for WZ10. The Mi35 is a quick procurement meant to support ONGOING operation where as T129 and WZ10 are investments for future. Also we cannot deny that WZ10 or even T129 do not match Mi35 in the described role. Getting Mi35 will not satisfy our needs for a front line high tech attack helicopter that is required to deal with any armored attack threat. For that we will still required T129 or WZ10 in future. It is only a case of WHEN!
Sir I think we are buy them and we may for around 20 of these but main attack helicopter in future will be either T129 or WZ 10
 
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Apache seems more uglier than any heloos, and they should be ugly. Huge ugly Mi-35s sound would be death symbol for those rodent terrorists living beneath ground in their tunnels...!!:coffee:
 
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