MI-35 deal between Moscow And Islamabad politically approved!

[xyxmt]

Well he didn't mention why India diversified from Russia ?
1>Spare issue
2>Huge quality issue
3>Non compliance with the TOT eg T90 Smooth bore barrel TOT was not transferred
4>Plays Monopoly and always throw a spanner during up gradation eg: T90 again ,it stopped DRDO to upgrade it.
5>Sudden cost hike in between the deal.
6>Long delays in delivery
7>DRDO raised its indigenization from 30% to 40-45% .

reason why India is more Incline towards a time tested, never refusing anything kind of partner the USA

 

[chhota bheem]

Indians are nay Sayers, but it is clear to those who want to see without hidden agenda.

Hope to see you around in 6 months time.

 

[HAIDER]

russia's workmanship really sucks now.

Well, Pakistan has option to buy engine parts from Russia or China, because Kazan already transferred many plants in China. Chinese have their own MI production line.

 

[GORKHALI]

reason why India is more Incline towards a time tested, never refusing anything kind of partner the USA

We always see our own interest first unlike few who always take side just make them happy.Yesterday its was Russia,Today its USA and tomorrow it might be china.

Where you can see the 2 superpowers fight out literally to get India in its camp.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Ask to Iranians.They will clear your doubts.We have enough experience with Russians.They will make you to criticise your own govt by their own arts works like shooting up spares cost etc.
This experience made us to formulate the life cycle cost for Rafale deal .

Than its your own fault that you trusted them so much .. And still bought stuff from them again and again?

Unlike your purchasing.We are purchasing systems including the ToT.

like what ? Did you buy the hercs with ToT? Or anything else?
And yes we do buy equipment with TOT.. Can give you several examples like frigs,subs,midget subs,FACs,the recent purchase of the ships from Turkiye.. radars,arty from Turkiye and MLRS from China .. And so on ...

I dont know your claims about their offering in 90s .Please provide some link or source.Considering your relation with US and West at that time
I say that would be a weird claim.

Nothing weird about that.. You can google it or search this forum.. You will find the proof and link of reliable
internstional sources Aswell as official PAF history etc..

Good you should increase relation with Russia.MI 35 is good for dealing with terrorists.We also have MI 35.
But for us it is almost outdated.That is why we selected Apache.

Lmao .. Going by that logic our Cobras are as good as the most modernised Super Cobras in service ..

Do search or Google the difference between the old soviet made 25s with the new 35 variants ...
Hint even the rotar system is different ..

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

We always see our own interest first unlike few who always take side just make them happy.Yesterday its was Russia,Today its USA and tomorrow it might be china.

Yesterday india was in soviet camp and used soviet weapons (even when west sanctioned india)..: today it's more happy to buy weapons from the Americans .. It's called international politics..

Heck india and Ben accepted military AID from USA against China when it was allied with USSR.. and the Americans were calling you dogs and so on..

Where you can see the 2 superpowers fight out literally to get India in its camp.

india itself is a supa powa.

 

[Derolo]

1 major advantage of Mi-35 vs the TTP is that Mi-35 is bulletproof against the 12.7mm AA gun which in news reports TTP is said to possess and utilise. This makes the Mi-35 a winner looking at the Pak scenario.
Of course no complete protection against MANPAD/SAM.


Remains to be seen if Russia goes ahead and sells it. Maybe they finalise this deal after we sign contract with Dassault.
Will surely impact relations and Russia knows it. Modi and Putin need to give our ties the much needed course correction at the upcoming India-Russia annual summit.

 

[GORKHALI]

Yesterday india was in soviet camp and used soviet weapons (even when west sanctioned india)..: today it's more happy to buy weapons from the Americans .. It's called international politics..

Heck india and Ben accepted military AID from USA against China when it was allied with USSR.. and the Americans were calling you dogs and so on..

india itself is a supa powa.

We never do brotherhood and get emotional with deeper than mountain,higher than ocean and sweeter than salt like shallow promise. Indian Foreign policy revolves around only one Moto-Look for your interest first.We are strategic partner of Israel while on other side arabs and Iran swear for historic relationship with India.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

We never do brotherhood and get emotional with deeper than mountain,higher than ocean and sweeter than salt like shallow promise. Indian Foreign policy revolves around only one Moto-Look for your interest first.We are strategic partner of Israel while on other side arabs and Iran swear for historic relationship with India.

Lmao .. Yes Pakistanis like China and brother nations like Turkiye .. Why ? Because of historic reasons .. Our people sacrificed financially and with their lives for Turkiye and Turkiye has also been there for us durig thick and thin .. Be t providing parts for our f-16 fleet during sanction to aiding us in wars.. Same goes for China which has been our time tested friend since the 50s...

As for usa .. Nope .. Not many takers for usa or even russia ..

So next time before you post something as stupid as your above post please take a break.. Think about it and just shut the hell up..

As for arab Israel thing .. Not really .. The only arab nations you had good relations were the ones in soviet camp like Egypt,Iraq and so on ... And most of it was economic interests not strategic interests and yet these same countries have better or equal relations with us .. Heck they buy our equipment and train here..

We don't recognise Israel yet they publish reports like Pak buying equipment from Israel.. World is a fked up place and its politics are complicated...P.S: Do you think Iran love you guys? Nope .. They were the First Nation that accepted and recognised Pakistan.. They sent us. jets and gave us free oil During wars .. It changed after Reza Shah was dethroned and mullahs took over who considered us an American allies due to Ceto and sento.. Do you think that even today despite our minor issues they will let you use their soil to be used against us? Do you think they would even care about india if it was for some economic interests? Them being sanctioned and all? Nope۔

 

[GORKHALI]

Lmao .. Yes Pakistanis like China and brother nations like Turkiye .. Why ? Because of historic reasons .. Our people sacrificed financially and with their lives for Turkiye and Turkiye has also been there for us durig thick and thin .. Be t providing parts for our f-16 fleet during sanction to aiding us in wars.. Same goes for China which has been our time tested friend since the 50s...

As for usa .. Nope .. Not many takers for usa or even russia ..

So next time before you post something as stupid as your above post please take a break.. Think about it and just shut the hell up..

As for arab Israel thing .. Not really .. The only arab nations you had good relations were the ones in soviet camp like Egypt,Iraq and so on ... And most of it was economic interests not strategic interests and yet these same countries have better or equal relations with us .. Heck they buy our equipment and train here..

We don't recognise Israel yet they publish reports like Pak buying equipment from Israel.. World is a fked up place and its politics are complicated...P.S: Do you think Iran love you guys? Nope .. They were the First Nation that accepted and recognised Pakistan.. They sent us. jets and gave us free oil During wars .. It changed after Reza Shah was dethroned and mullahs took over who considered us an American allies due to Ceto and sento.. Do you think that even today despite our minor issues they will let you use their soil to be used against us? Do you think they would even care about india if it was for some economic interests? Them being sanctioned and all? Nope۔

Seriously Man..@oscar @Chak Bamu @WebMaster .Seriously is it the quality of Elite member in PDF ??

F16 arrived in 80s and you faced sanction after 1998.During 1999 ,your F16 were literally hanger queen as they are the saved for last moment due to severe spare parts shortage Turkey factor was not even there till US lift off the sanctions.

China never came forward to help you during any war at least militarily. On the other side Israel did sent us emergency bunker busting and LGMs during 1999 and helped us on previous war too. We are making Strategic Chabar port and highways from there to Afghanistan(Google is your friend for the source).We are now trading 15 billion dollar which will double in 2-3 years considering the India growing economy.

 

[Basel]

1 major advantage of Mi-35 vs the TTP is that Mi-35 is bulletproof against the 12.7mm AA gun which in news reports TTP is said to possess and utilise. This makes the Mi-35 a winner looking at the Pak scenario.
Of course no complete protection against MANPAD/SAM.

I have seen a video in which a PA convoy of pick ups and trucks were ambushed and came under heavy fire, many soldiers were wounded, during this help was called and PAA sent Cobras, they did their job and left while wounded soldiers remain in danger due to non availability of transport helicopter as transport helicopters were not allowed to enter the area until cobras completely clear the area and make sure its safe to land them, it take time which is vital when you have to save lives.

In aforesaid situation Mi-35 is best choice as after clearing the area they can land and even take fire and take wounded soldier to safety. This one of many reason PAA wanted Mi-35s.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Seriously Man..@oscar @Chak Bamu @WebMaster .Seriously is it the quality of Elite member in PDF ??

F16 arrived in 80s and you faced sanction after 1998.During 1999 ,your F16 were literally hanger queen as they are the saved for last moment due to severe spare parts shortage Turkey factor was not even there till US lift off the sanctions.

Seriously are you that retarded that you can not even comprehend that my 50s relationship comment was directed towards China and not Turkiye?

As for f-16s are you really that dumb that you think that we grounded our F-16s for a decade? Why dont You just shut up and Google f-16.net and see the viper pilots who have over 2500 flying hours on the 16s?

Do take a look at pressler amendment.. Dimwit.

China never came forward to help you during any war at least militarily. On the other side Israel did sent us emergency bunker busting and LGMs during 1999 and helped us on previous war too.

Unlike usa or ussr China wasnt a "supa powa" back than.. And was involved in its own issues .. But yes they did help us by sending military aid (Google is your friend) Google it.. As for Israel .. Yeah probably butt hurt over Pak sending its pilots during the arab-Israel wars (decorated by those countries .. Even have one on the forum ..Sir MuradK).

We are making Strategic Chabar port and highways from there to Afghanistan(Google is your friend for the source).We are now trading 15 billion dollar which will double in 2-3 years considering the India growing economy.

Oh cool so what? Do you think Iranians would let you use their soil for anti Pak activities? Lmao..
P.S: why don't you use chabahar to access afghanistan rather than begging Pak for a transit route?

 

[xyxmt]

We always see our own interest first unlike few who always take side just make them happy.Yesterday its was Russia,Today its USA and tomorrow it might be china.

Where you can see the 2 superpowers fight out literally to get India in its camp.

yayyyy India is important

 

[Derolo]

I have seen a video in which a PA convoy of pick ups and trucks were ambushed and came under heavy fire, many soldiers were wounded, during this help was called and PAA sent Cobras, they did their job and left while wounded soldiers remain in danger due to non availability of transport helicopter as transport helicopters were not allowed to enter the area until cobras completely clear the area and make sure its safe to land them, it take time which is vital when you have to save lives.

In aforesaid situation Mi-35 is best choice as after clearing the area they can land and even take fire and take wounded soldier to safety. This one of many reason PAA wanted Mi-35s.

Well a single Mi-35 can carry a max of 3-4 stretchers. That too means no doctor or attendant. So 2 stretcher and a medical officer at max with equipment.

Also then external stores will have to be reduced and overall weapons config changes to a disadvantage. Can take more time to sanitize. This is not a flying hospital.

The Mi-26 is the flying hospital.

 

[Mitro]

When Russia Sell their weapon system to other then indian their is no problem with contract and price exceeding and delivery time .So there is something wrong with indian politician who make fortune by making commission and make more commission with delays and buy which is average system and make it supa dupa weapon system

And Gullible Indian Spread imaginary quality all over the internet like some type of alien technology.

And Finally the maintenance except indian nobody have problem with russian weapons i think it all come to the quality of man

power and when people get selected not on merit but with contact and corruption what one can expect