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As above.

Why don't you read and then answer and not go off in your own dreamworld "non replies"?

Why can't you reply to the point being debated and instead confuse issues and lead to greater confusion and bad blood?

what i said bad there


i guess you are letting anger from other thread here ??

and BTW Quran also terms Yahood and Nasara as people of the book.

i think you forget that part of Quran.

And Quran also lays some rules and regulations even for fight with these yahood and nasara

one of the rule is "If Muslims have some peace-agreement with rival (even non-believer) they are not allowed to go for war with the rival even not for the recovery of any of the Muslims that is held hostage in that rival terrotery for some reason.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

It still does not mean that you should misinterpret the Koran from allowing Pakistan to enhance her position in the world and herself.

Read it in context with Icecold's post against Mastan.

 

[MastanKhan]

Icecold,

I am not a rude person but----I am not forgetting Qura'an---but you and majority of my muslim pakistani brothers are forgetting acting like MEN and start whimpering like weak s u c k s ----jews did this and america does that---they are conspiring against us---SOB STORY---pakistanis are masters of sob stories---maybe nobody told the pakistani sons---maybe ABBAJI"S and NANA ABBA and DADA ABBA didnot have the comprehension to be the men that they claimed to be and could not teach their sons and daughters how they could tackle the conspiracies of the jews and U S.

Is this how the muslim conquerers lived their lives---moaning about the conspiracies of the west and jews as the pakistanis do----be a man of action----you want to be a proud muslim, then stand up and ---stand up to the plate and counter the conspiracy---and take it like a man---and learn to deal with the deciet and let others pay.

And don't challenge my loyalty to my nation and my country----just as you think negative about me---the same way I think about pakistanis who cry at every given oppurtunity about the conpiracy theory of everyone standing against them----in the same manner men were crying and beating their chests and wailing----what a pathetic sight that was---men crying and whimpering---pakistani men crying and wailing---this is what my motherland is---a country of wailers in the face of aggression.

 

[Proud to be Pakistani]

Icecold,

I am not a rude person but----I am not forgetting Qura'an---but you and majority of my muslim pakistani brothers are forgetting acting like MEN and start whimpering like weak s u c k s ----jews did this and america does that---they are conspiring against us---SOB STORY---pakistanis are masters of sob stories---maybe nobody told the pakistani sons---maybe ABBAJI"S and NANA ABBA and DADA ABBA didnot have the comprehension to be the men that they claimed to be and could not teach their sons and daughters how they could tackle the conspiracies of the jews and U S.

Is this how the muslim conquerers lived their lives---moaning about the conspiracies of the west and jews as the pakistanis do----be a man of action----you want to be a proud muslim, then stand up and ---stand up to the plate and counter the conspiracy---and take it like a man---and learn to deal with the deciet and let others pay.

And don't challenge my loyalty to my nation and my country----just as you think negative about me---the same way I think about pakistanis who cry at every given oppurtunity about the conpiracy theory of everyone standing against them----in the same manner men were crying and beating their chests and wailing----what a pathetic sight that was---men crying and whimpering---pakistani men crying and wailing---this is what my motherland is---a country of wailers in the face of aggression.

NO THEY ARE NOT!

YOUR THINKING IS NOT QUESTIONABLE, YOU ARE A CRITIC, BUT ITS TRUE THAT IT GIVES A SHADE TO YOUR PATRIOTISM

SORRY IF I AM RUDE!

 

[Proud to be Pakistani]

ICE COLD:

Now we are 2 .........of the same thinking you have!

 

[IceCold]

Icecold,

I am not a rude person but----I am not forgetting Qura'an---but you and majority of my muslim pakistani brothers are forgetting acting like MEN and start whimpering like weak s u c k s ----jews did this and america does that---they are conspiring against us---SOB STORY---pakistanis are masters of sob stories---maybe nobody told the pakistani sons---maybe ABBAJI"S and NANA ABBA and DADA ABBA didnot have the comprehension to be the men that they claimed to be and could not teach their sons and daughters how they could tackle the conspiracies of the jews and U S.

Is this how the muslim conquerers lived their lives---moaning about the conspiracies of the west and jews as the pakistanis do----be a man of action----you want to be a proud muslim, then stand up and ---stand up to the plate and counter the conspiracy---and take it like a man---and learn to deal with the deciet and let others pay.

And don't challenge my loyalty to my nation and my country----just as you think negative about me---the same way I think about pakistanis who cry at every given oppurtunity about the conpiracy theory of everyone standing against them----in the same manner men were crying and beating their chests and wailing----what a pathetic sight that was---men crying and whimpering---pakistani men crying and wailing---this is what my motherland is---a country of wailers in the face of aggression.

Acting like men!Ahhhh so according to you how can we be men, we bomb the living hell out of the rest of the world and take it back as well resulting in NO pakistan. Nice logic. You know why mughals got defeated by british in their homeplace,was not because men of british were true men but because they had better brains.And if i go by your logic this means that musharraf is not a man because he decided to go along with the US and not the other way round.
And as for dealing with the conspiracy, you think we are not, just look at what kind of dangers pakistan is and yet we are facing every challenge and had faced before in the past.

And i never challenge your loyality, however i called it pathetic on your part. You know why, becauses not only your logic of being a man sucks but because you the kind of person who dances on the fingertips of the west highlighting every inch of problems in pakistan, protaying it like some sort of a failed state. If one has problems in house, he/she doesnt advertise it, instead try to solve them and protay the good image of the house.
And yes while we have our share of problems, they are because of the US in paticular because US does not want to let go the grip over pakistan and that is the very reason it creates problems for pakistan. As for facing it yes indeed we are facing, not just sitting in a third country ranting about motherland this and that, but actually in pakistan and i'm proud that we have started to move away from the US influence, one can already see it in gawadar and IP project. But it cannot just happen in one day, the doing of our ancesstors will take time to vanish when liquat-ali-khan sab decided to go to US instead of russia and made an enemy for decades to come, it will take time for the effect to subside.

 

[IceCold]

ICE COLD:

Now we are 2 .........of the same thinking you have!

I appreciate it to you too

 

[MastanKhan]

Icecold,

The mughals got defeated because for a change they came across a world class warrior who beat them to a pulp---a big change from killing the hindus. The british were coming out of a 100 years war, their weaponery and war strategy was far superior than the mughals. Their troopers could shoot faster and their cannons used grape shot while the mughals were using ball type shots in their cannons---so, most of the muslim soldiers were slaughtered before they could even reach the frontlines of the british forces.

By the way, the muslims and mughals bet on the wrong horse the FRENCH---after their loss in waterloo they had to give away all their territorial advantage and walk away from any support of the locals.

Icecold you are getting angry again---being men does not mean to bomb the world---but to use the common sense---and use strategy and technique---when things go wrong then don't let anyone know that you are torn up inside and when things go your way, then be gracious in your victory---you want to go by my logic and you don't even know what my logic is---you assumed my logic was your standard logic----you are wrong my boy---. When there are muslims killed in kashmir or palestine, pakistanis don't need to go on strike and close their business for a day and do harm to themselves---but rather they should work an extra day---instead of burning their own transportation, they should help in managing an maintaining it a little better---any time there is a problem against the muslims, pakistanis need to work extra for the cause---that is what being a man means---.

Now talking about problem----when there is a problem---you don't hide it---you know what happens when you hide the problem----women who are raped---live in shame and the rapist is walking with their heads held high---when little children are sexually abused---those little boys walk the rest of their lives in shame---and the culprits are walking shamelessly proud----that is what happens when you try to shove these things under the rug---the issues regarding criminals should be brought out and these people need be put to shame.

I appreciate you not challenging my loyalty---so it is a misunderstanding on my part---then I will take my comments back---but then you use a word pathetic---you need to stop kiddo---.

We have problems, because we have lost all sense of morality and justice---where a boy is sexually abused and to hide the crime, it is emphasized that he had a relationship with a girl and then to punish the family one of their women is gang raped----is this the nation that you would call a nation on its way to success----no this is the sign of a state which has failed----how about the incidence when a blind girl was raped first by the landlord's son and them by the landlord himself and when she became pregnant, she was charged by the shariaat court---the culprits were freed and she was put in jail----you call this nation a success nation---where an american JEW SENATOR had to threaten a MUSLIM GENERAL ZIA to free that woman otherwise there would be serious consequences for pakistan---a JEW coming to the rescue of a muslim woman in pakistan to get her some justice form the islamic court---isn't that a shame for a nation---calling itself to be the leader of islam---isn't that a moment of shame for the pakistanis for not standing up against it---you could find my article in a couple of pakistani newspapers here in the U S at that time.

You tell me son----- are we the children of Mohammad Bin Qasim-----you tell me my boy---on the day of judgement---when Allah asks Prophet Mohammad----Mohammad---are these your followers---are these the people that you say you converted to islam---are these the people who claimed to be the leaders of the islamic world---.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

Jana,

Maybe you will now understand.

Read Mastan's powerful commentary. It is more of a heart searching of a person who loves his country passionately and who wants to rid his country of the evils that descend on it (like it does for any country in the world). His post indicates that he has not paid obeisance to the false idol - flawed patriotism clothed in truth deficit!

Reality has to be seen by the population of all countries and not blind themselves with their pet peeves!

 

[Proud to be Pakistani]

MK, SIR

Reality!


Reality is that it seems like a speech of a person who has lost hope in all the muslims in the world.

MK, this is the time of our downfall, as far as a muslim belief is concerned our rise will come from within these people in which you are losing hope...

Of all the things in the world never lose hope...

Through out the history of Islam, these times have often came when all within the Muslim empire (not the people of other religion) lost all hope.... but Islam always came out with flying colours ... Its only time to be strong in our religion and try to ask forgiveness from Allah ... ask his blessing ... that he makes us strong enough to withstand and face the situations which we created in past 400 years for the Muslims all around the world. Its time to make ourselves strong in what we feel we believe, Pray that a time will come when we will again unite and stand tall as promised by Allah.............Doesn't matter if this time is beyond our life span but when you die always have hope that one day the promise made by Allah will be fulfilled and we will be the ones with his blessing on this EARTH ALSO.

Its what our religion tells us.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

No one has lost hope.

The hope is that some blind men are given back their sight so that they can see it in the reality of the temporal and not the spiritual!

I have no insecurity haunting me as to who I am and from where I came and what is my history of my land.

I look at the world with confidence since my history gives me the strength to fathom the good and the bad and I don't run away from it or reinvent it to suit my agenda.

 

[MastanKhan]

Proud to be pakistani,

You and I are so far away---that you have no comprehension of what I am talking about----Hope is for the people who are WEAK S U C K S----the word hope is a part of sob story that the countrymen use when they have no solution for the problems at hand or they have no clue how to proceed forward---hope is not the term that 'MEN' use to build their nation----to build a nation, men and women of the nation get together and take a stand and steer the nation towards that direction----.

In building a nation----just because the economy is growing, doesn't mean that everbody is happy. There are other factors invovled as well which are very well evident in the frontier provinces----

From your answer, you come out very young and have a lot of misunderstanding about the religion---the issue over here is not islam---the issue over here is the muslim---and the nation of pakistan---you think Allah is going to make you strong when you gang rape women, make them walk naked on the village streets because somehow you felt offended by their actions----you really think that Allah is coming to your help for being injust to the weak and the poor---you talk about praying to Allah---but you don't talk about fighting to provide justice to the weak and the poor---

You still do not have any clue what you are saying---you may die but the promise of Allah will be fulfilled---kiddo---Allah promised the sanctity and the preservation of the religion ISLAM----but Allah never promised the supermacy of the people that we call "muslims" as such.

You are so 'innocent' when you say that through out the time there have been incidences when muslim empire have lost hope-----son---where are you getting your teachings from---this sounds like again another sob story---muslims had problems because they stopped providing ''JUSTICE" to the weak and the poor. DID NOBODY TEACH YOU MY BOY THAT 1400 YEARS AGO THE PEOPLE WHO CONVERTED TO ISLAM, CHOSE TO DO SO FOR BEING TREATED EQUAL AND BEING PROVIDED JUSTICE WITHOUT PREJUDICE OF RACE COLOR CREED GENDER OR RELIGION. They didnot become muslim because they hoped things will get better---Islam gave them that right----islam also gave them the right to ask for equal rights and justice---islam gave them the right to ask for justice by force-----today these SUPERSTAR SUPREME JUSTICES OF PAKISTAN CH IFTIKHAR & CO HAD PASSED AN ORDINANCE THAT THE JUDGES JUDGEMENTS CANNOT BE CRITISCIZED. Lack of providing JUSTICE is the first link in the chain of events that leads to the downfall of a nation---a muslim nation or any other nation----JUSTICE IS THE STRONGEST LINK that a nation has, that holds its people together. Lack of justice has destroyed many a civilization----.

Islam will indeed come ahead---but I guess no one told you that Allah also said that HE can take this priveldege away from the muslims and give to another group of people who show better ability to handle themselves.

Talk is cheap---come up with a better answer than prayer---talk some strategy, gamesmanship, how to handle issues, what are the problems, how to solve them, what is wrong with our approach, why do we keep repeating the same mistakes again and again, don't be on the defensive all the time, understand that there will be people who will conspire against us, make a plan to overcome adversity, prepare a plan on how to tackle your opponents, stop blaming others for our problems, take responsibility and ownership of our actions and be just and kind to people. Help in providing justice to the weak and the poor and try to make their lives easier will help you build a stronger nation.

 

[Proud to be Pakistani]

Proud to be pakistani,

You and I are so far away---that you have no comprehension of what I am talking about----Hope is for the people who are WEAK S U C K S----the word hope is a part of sob story that the countrymen use when they have no solution for the problems at hand or they have no clue how to proceed forward---hope is not the term that 'MEN' use to build their nation----to build a nation, men and women of the nation get together and take a stand and steer the nation towards that direction----.

In building a nation----just because the economy is growing, doesn't mean that everbody is happy. There are other factors invovled as well which are very well evident in the frontier provinces----

From your answer, you come out very young and have a lot of misunderstanding about the religion---the issue over here is not islam---the issue over here is the muslim---and the nation of pakistan---you think Allah is going to make you strong when you gang rape women, make them walk naked on the village streets because somehow you felt offended by their actions----you really think that Allah is coming to your help for being injust to the weak and the poor---you talk about praying to Allah---but you don't talk about fighting to provide justice to the weak and the poor---

You still do not have any clue what you are saying---you may die but the promise of Allah will be fulfilled---kiddo---Allah promised the sanctity and the preservation of the religion ISLAM----but Allah never promised the supermacy of the people that we call "muslims" as such.

You are so 'innocent' when you say that through out the time there have been incidences when muslim empire have lost hope-----son---where are you getting your teachings from---this sounds like again another sob story---muslims had problems because they stopped providing ''JUSTICE" to the weak and the poor. DID NOBODY TEACH YOU MY BOY THAT 1400 YEARS AGO THE PEOPLE WHO CONVERTED TO ISLAM, CHOSE TO DO SO FOR BEING TREATED EQUAL AND BEING PROVIDED JUSTICE WITHOUT PREJUDICE OF RACE COLOR CREED GENDER OR RELIGION. They didnot become muslim because they hoped things will get better---Islam gave them that right----islam also gave them the right to ask for equal rights and justice---islam gave them the right to ask for justice by force-----today these SUPERSTAR SUPREME JUSTICES OF PAKISTAN CH IFTIKHAR & CO HAD PASSED AN ORDINANCE THAT THE JUDGES JUDGEMENTS CANNOT BE CRITISCIZED. Lack of providing JUSTICE is the first link in the chain of events that leads to the downfall of a nation---a muslim nation or any other nation----JUSTICE IS THE STRONGEST LINK that a nation has, that holds its people together. Lack of justice has destroyed many a civilization----.

Islam will indeed come ahead---but I guess no one told you that Allah also said that HE can take this priveldege away from the muslims and give to another group of people who show better ability to handle themselves.

Talk is cheap---come up with a better answer than prayer---talk some strategy, gamesmanship, how to handle issues, what are the problems, how to solve them, what is wrong with our approach, why do we keep repeating the same mistakes again and again, don't be on the defensive all the time, understand that there will be people who will conspire against us, make a plan to overcome adversity, prepare a plan on how to tackle your opponents, stop blaming others for our problems, take responsibility and ownership of our actions and be just and kind to people. Help in providing justice to the weak and the poor and try to make their lives easier will help you build a stronger nation.

I am sorry i have to state this .......

The people like you will be lost in time and no one will remember you...

Not because you were wrong but because you could do nothing to change, or contribute to the society but only Criticise...

Live in your non believing world till your days are over but ...

You are so Wrong in thinking like this.

 

[Proud to be Pakistani]

Islam will indeed come ahead---but I guess no one told you that Allah also said that HE can take this priveldege away from the muslims and give to another group of people who show better ability to handle themselves.

So wrong MK that if i light a way with fire infront of you, even then you are going to fall in the hole!

You have only little knowledge of Islam and not gained knowledge!

If a society based on Islam can follow Islam on its true footings the society will eventually be peaceful and with Harmony.

Donot state that peace, Harmony and religion are separate. Islam brings harmony and Peace not the other way around!

 

[Proud to be Pakistani]

Ok...

Of all you people in your life... what have you done for Pakistan!

Start not from Pakistan itself but start from your surroundings...

You sit on the Laptop and tell me about rapes and injustice...

Have you ever seen one and tried to Stop it! I guess No... Have you ever been robbed and you tried to Stop it. Have you even talked infront of the People about these facts of society! No i guess! Lots of words but no real work . No!

If people have the belief in these words then they will understand that its them who need to change and not the society itself .

Its their own selfish behaviour that has created this society of hate and injustice.

Islamic society was based on non-selfish behaviour, thinking of others before you think for yourself. Equality .. Justice for all , rich or poor.

Sorry to say that your views are unacceptable for me ..

If i am a child i thank GOD he has given me the strenght and will to act and not only move my lips...