Maulvi fazlullah is sabotaging peace talks

[Dillinger]

@RAMPAGE Hmm. you intend to fence the Durand Line? What is the length of said "line"? The topography? We are obviously not talking of a simple fence- so that means IR sensors/ systems akin to LOROS- a whole networked layer of deterrents. After that you need to man it, since no sensor is going to do you any good if boots on the ground are not manning it and interdicting groups of infiltrators who have been spotted? So how many men does that require? Given the sort of firepower and training that these infiltrators have which agency shall have to take charge of manning said line- PA (I am not referring to the current manning of border posts and sanghars- a fence only works if boots undertake constant ground dominance patrols and that requires an exponentially larger number of boots to begin with)? What happens under inclement weather conditions? After you sort all that out you may cut down the infiltration by a hefty percentage but a 100 or 200 insurgents can still seep in in scattered groups. So a hot border to the west, one which is manned and under surveillance? The cost of the same, hmmm..the LOC grid cost somewhere around 1.5$ plus so extrapolate how much the state exchequer needs to shell out for this. Where will the boots on the ground come from in the first place- designate the task to tribal lashkars perhaps? Will the PA then deploy on a war-front footing along the whole line?
@Hyperion @Aeronaut Why don't you folks just build a fence between Pakistan and FATA? Might serve you better.

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

@Pak-one

Is it the molvi FM Radio we are talking about?



....and they run into kunar, the operation fails. Is that what you want?

Operation in North Wazirastan wasn't carried out, mainly because of the fact that the ISAF had refused to seal the border and provide fire support/night time SOF missions on the other side.

yea its the same Mullah radio.

 

[Leader]

peace talks, peace talks ?
IK wish that,thts it?
he hve wished to be the PM of pakistan?
now IK has to learn a better lesson by hook or by crook , that this country is not his wish list?
TTp clearly has given the answer, they are not intersted in peace, they want to carry thier official tora bora, khaani?

we have learned quite a lesson already in 10 years, 50,000 dead, 100,000 injured still counting, but some just wont...

 

[RAMPAGE]

@Dillinger

no need to fence the whole border. there are only 5-6 routes to afghanistan. we only need to fence and mine those. aerial surveillance and choppers along with patrol rangers are enough to secure the routes.

 

[Zarvan]

with a avatar like yours, stop lying?
PAKARMY went in to stop, its citizens entering afghanistan for fight a war of afghans, by the afghans for the afghans?
because, sasur jee of mullha FM, yes sufi muhamad was bzy, collecting money to send, innocent pakistanis to wage a fake jihad?
any way, with mallala getting shot in her head by TTP, going into those areas, was more justyfied thn it was before?

Yes they went in from orders of USA which were given to Musharraf and send their army in to stop Muslims from helping their brothers now I know why our Army is facing hell Sir we need to stop being partners with kufr and USA and other forces other wise we are doomed and best way is help Afghans and other Muslims get rid of USA and India in Afghanistan @qamar1990 Sir they were never tried to control because they never come under control Mr that is why Jinah had the vision and he promised them that no soldier would enter Tribal areas and they never did until blunder made by Musharraf Sir

 

[Cheetah786]

You wish to 'fence the Hindukush' ?

How good is that fence going to be when Pakistan catch and release terrorist any way? Fence''arrest and hang all known terrorist'' punish and jail family members of the terrorist and confiscate any and all property of the terrorist watch with in weeks if not days invisible fence start to work.

 

[Zarvan]

we have learned quite a lesson already in 10 years, 50,000 dead, 100,000 injured still counting, but some just wont...

Let them have war they would realize after 100 years that this war would never end Taliban and Pathans would keep on fighting until and unless we talk to them and win as many of them on our side as we could other wise this war would continue right now we have 50000 dead after few years we would have 500000 dead because of these genius guys who don't have any idea about the situation

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

@Dillinger

no need to fence the whole border. there are only 5-6 routes to afghanistan. we only need to fence and mine those. aerial surveillance and choppers along with patrol rangers are enough to secure the routes.

Taliban do not use those regular routes.

 

[Dillinger]

@Dillinger

no need to fence the whole border. there are only 5-6 routes to afghanistan. we only need to fence and mine those. aerial surveillance and choppers along with patrol rangers are enough to secure the routes.

You think that only the "routes" are employed for infiltration? Meri jaan unless the PA is blind and dumb the infiltrators will be using nullahs and goat paths and the likes- hundreds of which are scattered across some of the most formidable mountainous outcrops and regions of the world- they don't need a jump point and Haji Pir pass to inject in an armored regiment. Had this been so simple- a nearby composite airbase- well defended sanghars at these routes- armored support with MRAP or MTAVs would have done the job for you already and that too on the cheap.
@Hyperion How many paths do you know of which can be used for infiltration? How many which aren't even known to anyone but the locals? A dozen perhaps?

 

[Cheetah786]

come on 9 years down the war, 50,000 dead, 100,000 injured, 100 billion dollar eco loses to the nation, all that because peace talk mantra was stopping us from yielding results?

Yes and soon i will be the first pakistani appointed as the next king of England.

 

[qamar1990]

Yes they went in from orders of USA which were given to Musharraf and send their army in to stop Muslims from helping their brothers now I know why our Army is facing hell Sir we need to stop being partners with kufr and USA and other forces other wise we are doomed and best way is help Afghans and other Muslims get rid of USA and India in Afghanistan @qamar1990 Sir they were never tried to control because they never come under control Mr that is why Jinah had the vision and he promised them that no soldier would enter Tribal areas and they never did until blunder made by Musharraf Sir

are you calling the people who bomb mastoids muslim? are you calling the people who suicide bomb our kids muslims?
they barely touched our army, they only killed innocent people!, so your saying that we should help people who killed 50,000 pakistanis? leave the usa out of this, they are not in our country. they are fighting their own war in afghanistan.

 

[Dillinger]

@Hyperion Can we also have automatic turrets armed with IR and BSR sensors and 30 mm cannons manning every 100 meters of the said line. Jao mere sher propose karo yeh solution Tind ko, be sure to be appointed as the middle man/lead contractor- I'll provide with the details required to wire me my cut.

 

[Kompromat]

yea its the same Mullah radio.

This bastardd survived a precision strike by PAF

 

[Cheetah786]

Taliban do not use those regular routes.

Yes we all know Taliban use brooms to fly cross pak -afg borders.



Pak-one if and i do mean If we really wanted to and was serious about bringing the Taliban mess under-control i assure you i can be done. Their is no urgency or will to do that rest are just excuses that Taliban use this and that.

Here is why i say that

ISLAMABAD: Interior Minister Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan told the National Assembly on Monday that some 100,000 foreigners live illegally in the slum settlements around Islamabad, and many of them were criminals.

“If I reveal the real facts to you, many among you will have sleepless nights,” the minister said in a grave voice during the Question Hour.

“They are involved in all kinds of crime in the federal capital,” he added, without elaborating, when asked about the nature of their crimes. But he did mention Bari Imam and the D-12 sector as their favourite abodes.

That could be a startling disclosure only to the recently elected MNAs. For the ordinary citizens of Islamabad, the presence of the ‘dreadful foreign criminal elements’ in their midst has been common knowledge, and a menace, for long.

“Soon after taking over the charge of my ministry, I initiated a registration process of the people living in katchi abadis, which, after a few hiccups, has been completed,” Chaudhry Nisar informed the house with visible satisfaction.

“In the beginning, people with vested interests created the impression that the registration wasn’t possible, and that if pushed the effort would result in an ugly law and order situation in the city.

“Undeterred by such misgivings, we directed the police officials to complete the registration process or face the music,” said the minister, ruing that successive governments paid no attention to the mushroom growth of the illegal settlements on the fringes of Islamabad.

Now the interior ministry was mulling the options to best deal with the problem of unwanted men in the city, according to the minister.

Without identifying the nationalities of the unwanted foreigners, the minister informed the National Assembly that the United Nations High Commission for Refugees (UNHCR) would be asked to help repatriate them to their native countries.

But the minister accepted that it would be a difficult task.

Already his ministry is working on a project to keep the ‘foreigners’ under surveillance and monitor their “each and every activity”.

Additionally, the ministry is considering setting up special pickets outside the slums to keep a constant watch on the goings on there.

Sources in the interior ministry and local administration told Dawn that the suspect ‘foreigners’ mostly belong to Afghanistan and had been living around Islamabad for quite some time.

“That is why it wouldn’t be easy for the government to uproot them. The notorious Afghani Basti in I-11 is a case in point. Other foreign nationals in the category belong to African and central Asian countries,” the sources said.

According to a city police officer, Afghan refugees have organised gangs and are mainly responsible for crimes in the capital city, such as car lifting, planned robberies and kidnappings for ransom. African nationals mostly go for drug trafficking and fake currency business, he said.

However, the interior minister did not agree with PTI MNA Dr Arif Alvi that unwanted foreigners could also be hiding in the private security agencies but promised “a full-fledged inquiry” into the possibility.

“I assure the house that I will involve all intelligence agencies, including the ISI, to determine whether any agency in the security business employs foreigners and take it to task if it does,” the minister said reassuringly.

Nisar reveals an open secret - DAWN.COM


You see they know exactly what and where question is why they haven't done any thing so far ? and please spare me this oh the mysterious Taliban crap?

 

[batmannow]

we have learned quite a lesson already in 10 years, 50,000 dead, 100,000 injured still counting, but some just wont...

wars doesnt ends with time frames, they only ends with getting the objectives?
srilanka kept fighting, reaching it succsessfully, after 25 dam years with a lot of damage?
but they were succses full, only because they wanted to achive the objectives, which they hve done, ultimatly?
talks cant be done,to terrorists cause they keep asking for more, how much you can offer?
someday it all has to stop, because you dont hve anything to give, or they took it all in both,ways you ill be the losser?