Many have left Pakistan Army or were sent home

[S.M.R]

Today's Pakistan Army is wanting professionalism, Especially under the dictation by Kiyani(slob).

Dont you think otherwise, we need professionals in our Govt. and Army is supposed to work as per direction of Govt. Why are we targeting Army alone? Bcaz it didnt take over the Govt. after the lapse of 3 years?

 

[Peregrine]

Dont you think otherwise, we need professionals in our Govt. and Army is supposed to work as per direction of Govt. Why are we targeting Army alone? Bcaz it didnt take over the Govt. after the lapse of 3 years?

Not that i am standing up for them, but both of our President and Prime Minister have spent time behind bars, but do the Generals get the same treatment? No
Don't forget that it was also a general who pardoned these corrupt politicians by invoking the NRO.

 

[pak-marine]

since the foundation of the Constitution of Islamic Republic of Pakistan is Islamic, so the Pakistan Army also follows the Islamic ideology

Who are army people to decide policies , they are nothing more than security guards .. GOP should issue orders not these duffers

 

[S.M.R]

Not that i am standing up for them, but both of our President and Prime Minister have spent time behind bars, but do the Generals get the same treatment? No
Don't forget that it was also a general who pardoned these corrupt politicians by invoking the NRO.

So you think giving the same treatment which was given to our PM and President gonna change the situation? NO.
Yes, it is the same NRO which Gen. Mush gave us. But Isn't the same Gen. Mush who allowed these 'intellectuals' to appear on Media? before that who knew them?

just forget the NRO for the time being. Did anybody prove any corruption case even after zardari remained in Jail for 11 years. Who's gonna give his 11 years back? Why dont we focus to change our Govt. system / judiciary etc. Take the example of our CJ, have you ever seen his son (now), as you are living in Islamabad. He is as good as CJ. Did anybody ask him what did he do to his son who was wrongly promoted and passed his english paper. Everybody forgot. After his restoration, what improvement we have seen in our judicial system? except few statements which keep coming day after another (the written speeches) talking about the ideal situations keh jahan adlia ki hukumrani na ho woh qaumain barbad ho jati hain and all that??

So why just Pakistan Army????? bcaz they have been screwing the corrupt govts. in past and now these corrupt politicians have got the chance to screw them back??

 

[Xeric]

Ansar Abassi may have deliberately left out or does not knows that in recent years, Army has been getting much much more applications for the officer ranks as well as for the jawan ranks, especially when the Rah-e-Nijat and Rah-e-Rast were in action. The officers manning the recruiting stations were amazed with the response they got. I had a chat with one of the ex-commander of an ISSB recruiting centre and he said even though soldiers (officers & jawans) were dying on daily basis and news reports were fill of them and we were thinking it will have a negative effect on the recruitment process, but to their amazement, applications for recruitment kept increasing as time passed.

Anyone ever guessed, why Army has now 60% passing marks requirement in FA/Fsc for PMA ISSB test increased from 40%?? Or has anyone recently gone through the ISSB tests from start to finish and compare it with the ISSB tests which used to happen a few years back ?? Hell of a difference in today's ISSB tests for PA & past. These are some of the indications that they are getting quality human resource, i have seen MA/MSc guys as soldiers and the percentage of such high educated soldier class is growing.

Yeah AWOLs did happen, but for many reasons, having sympathy or bad feeling in fighting the Taliban Muslims is just a small percentage of these AWOLs, fear was a major one.

This article is another one of the Army bashing series from our beloved media.

As i have mentioned in the past on this forum, there were approx 17 thousand candidates who applied for the Army in 2007, the numbers were over 30 thousand in 2010, this is say after getting authenticated fact and figures.

 

[Xestan]

Who are army people to decide policies , they are nothing more than security guards .. GOP should issue orders not these duffers

Constitution of Pakistan is the main document which tells all the institutions how to work, it's ISLAMIC, so Pakistan Army also has Islamic ideology. And for the "Security Guard" thing, your thinking is of low level, Armed Forces are the Protectors of Pakistan as well as the ideology of Pakistan. GOP issues orders, right, but it can't order something extra-constitutional, and Constitution of Pakistan says, Qur'an and Hadith are the supreme, thus making Pakistan a Islamic republic.

 

[pak-marine]

Constitution of Pakistan is the main document which tells all the institutions how to work, it's ISLAMIC, so Pakistan Army also has Islamic ideology. And for the "Security Guard" thing, your thinking is of low level, Armed Forces are the Protectors of Pakistan as well as the ideology of Pakistan. GOP issues orders, right, but it can't order something extra-constitutional, and Constitution of Pakistan says, Qur'an and Hadith are the supreme, thus making Pakistan a Islamic republic.

They are getting paid enough for this its their job to protect , they work for pakistanis and are hired by pakistanis , therefore civilians should be in command .... whereas what we have is the other way around these security men are acting above their pay grade , GOP should take control here and comand them policies , army shouldnt work out their own policies ... there must be check and balance by parliament and civilians

 

[Peregrine]

So you think giving the same treatment which was given to our PM and President gonna change the situation? NO.
Yes, it is the same NRO which Gen. Mush gave us. But Isn't the same Gen. Mush who allowed these 'intellectuals' to appear on Media? before that who knew them?

Yes it will change, more notably the future. As it will set an example. Besides it must be made clear to the public , ''that no one is above the law, including the Jurnails''. Well you are the one who was cursing the corrupt political lot, so i quoted NRO to make a point.

just forget the NRO for the time being. Did anybody prove any corruption case even after zardari remained in Jail for 11 years. Who's gonna give his 11 years back? Why dont we focus to change our Govt. system / judiciary etc. Take the example of our CJ, have you ever seen his son (now), as you are living in Islamabad. He is as good as CJ. Did anybody ask him what did he do to his son who was wrongly promoted and passed his english paper. Everybody forgot. After his restoration, what improvement we have seen in our judicial system? except few statements which keep coming day after another (the written speeches) talking about the ideal situations keh jahan adlia ki hukumrani na ho woh qaumain barbad ho jati hain and all that??

The above para is quite peripheral to the topic at hand ,so i would refrain from commenting.

So why just Pakistan Army????? bcaz they have been screwing the corrupt govts. in past and now these corrupt politicians have got the chance to screw them back??

And why not Pakistan army?, are you insinuating that Army is above law? Or is it just that the topic of military accountability is beyond discussion as Pakistan military constitutes the holy brigade or instead of pinpointing Pak Army's shortcomings we should only discuss politics? We have several threads on politicians, so lets not drag them here, & lets just stick to the topic at hand; ''Pak military losing public support''

 

[Xestan]

They are getting paid enough for this its their job to protect , they work for pakistanis and are hired by pakistanis , therefore civilians should be in command .... whereas what we have is the other way around these security men are acting above their pay grade , GOP should take control here and comand them policies , army shouldnt work out their own policies ... there must be check and balance by parliament and civilians

Just see with open eyes, is it relevant to the article or my reply? You're going to other side, my answer still remains the same, Constitution says, Qur'an is supreme, so what's wrong in Army saying that they follow the Islamic ideology? GOP CANNOT TELL THEM TO Change their ideology because that's impossible, unless you make amendments in the Constitution and make Pakistan secular country.

 

[Leader]

Why to held Army accountable and for what? Army has its own courts for its officers where anyone is properly trialed and convicted as their rules. What civilians have to with that? They used to do in the past and doing currently as well. There is no 'big' change which the AA points out. He is just trying to wash his hands in flowing Ganga.

As far as drones are concerned, why dont the parliament 'experiment' army / PAF by giving orders to shot the drones down.

yara I didnot talk about the accountability, which by the way should also be subject to the Law of the state, we aint british colony anymore !!

what I was saying is that pressure from Nation so that they remain under surveillance of the nation... the Nation needs to pull out our military from the influence of amreeka, it has become a unit of USA military, Mullen comes without a visa to our country, what are we?

 

[Leader]

The role of army is to defend the borders of the State, which it bitterly failed time and again...

It has got no role in the affairs of the state, which it constantly gets involved...

It is not the defender of the Ideology of Pakistan, Nation is.

and lastly Pakistan is not because of its army, but because of its Nation...


P.S. still if the Nation ask military to correct its ways, they are bullied and labelled ? what nonsense, this is a self destructive mood, and we have invested a hell lot of good money and men into this institution, we wont let it go down that easy...

 

[HAIDER]

Ansar Abbasi is lapdog of Nawaz league. He joined the nawaz chorus against army...seems paid well

 

[Leader]

Ansar Abbasi is lapdog of Nawaz league. He joined the nawaz chorus against army...seems paid well

and kayani and co are lapdog of ____________?

options:

1 America
2 United States of America
3 USA
4 Amreeka
5 All of the above.

 

[S.M.R]

Yes it will change, more notably the future. As it will set an example. Besides it must be made clear to the public , ''that no one is above the law, including the Jurnails''. Well you are the one who was cursing the corrupt political lot, so i quoted NRO to make a point.


The above para is quite peripheral to the topic at hand ,so i would refrain from commenting.


And why not Pakistan army?, are you insinuating that Army is above law? Or is it just that the topic of military accountability is beyond discussion as Pakistan military constitutes the holy brigade or instead of pinpointing Pak Army's shortcomings we should only discuss politics? We have several threads on politicians, so lets not drag them here, & lets just stick to the topic at hand; ''Pak military losing public support''

I strongly agree that NO ONE is above the law. But respective domains should be identified. Army has own judicial system and we should let them do in accordance with that. Coming up with the articles 'many have left PA or sent homes' are just an attempt to ignite / enhance the hate against PA in mind of an ordinary person, which will not take us anywhere, rather enemies will be benefited. If we are dissatisfied with the ongoing system then we are supposed to make constitutional amendments that every officer / jawan will be convicted before Judges of Civil/High Court/Sup. court. But do you think that will be feasible? Therefore there should not be any 'army bashing' but if there is any that should be constructive not destructive and / or helpful to the enemies of Pakistan.

 

[Leader]

As i have mentioned in the past on this forum, there were approx 17 thousand candidates who applied for the Army in 2007, the numbers were over 30 thousand in 2010, this is say after getting authenticated fact and figures.

if you combine some other elements such as increase in intake at inter level, boom in private sector, objective type paper(which increase average marks), number of students securing above average marks etc and for comparative analysis number of intakes for PMS (13000 for 194 seats), CSS 7000 for some 200 seats, and other PCS exams you can visit davis road PCS office, LDA assistant director 35 seats 8000 application etc you would have a better glimpse of reality...