Malaysian jet couldn’t have flown over India undetected: Military

[Edevelop]

NEW DELHI: The Indian military establishment has rejected the possibility that the Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, which mysteriously disappeared eight days en route to Beijing from Kuala Lumpur, could have flown over India on way to Kazakhstan-Turkmenistan in Central Asia.

This came after Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak on Saturday said the missing plane's last communication with a satellite suggested it could have been "deliberately diverted", after its transponders were switched off, into "two possible corridors or arcs". The northern one was identified as stretching from northern Thailand to Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan, while the southern one from Indonesia to southern Indian Ocean.

"If the jetliner had tried to cross the Indian mainland, our primary radars (which bounce radio signals off targets) would have picked it up despite its transponders being switched off (secondary radars beam signals that request information from a plane's transponders)," said a top IAF officer.

If an "unidentified" plane had been picked up flouting prescribed procedures or with switched-off transponders or not "squawking" IFF (identification, friend or foe) codes, a series of "air defence measures" would have kicked in - including the scrambling of fighters - to "detect, identify, intercept and destroy" the intruder.

Senior IAF and Navy officers admitted there were "a few gaps" in India's civil and military radar networks but stressed it would be "virtually impossible" for a jetliner to fly undetected across the Indian mainland. "The five Airports Authority of India radars at Delhi, Kolkata, Ahmedabad, Chennai and Mumbai are integrated with IAF's air defence network. The possibility is far-fetched," said an officer.

"Why also forget the robust air defence networks of countries like Pakistan, fully-geared towards India, or the US-led forces in Afghanistan or Iran for that matter, all of which would have been on this so-called flight arc," he added.

Former IAF vice-chief Air Marshal P K Barbora, in turn, added, "Both India and Pakistan are very wary of any blip that comes up on their radars...it's very unlikely that a plane could have flown across the vast stretch of land without being detected by one or some other country. An aircraft flying low to avoid radars would not be able to go such a long distance."

Indian officials are of the opinion that MH370, hijacked or otherwise, probably went down in the Bay of Bengal or southern Indian Ocean after being diverted and flying close to the Malacca Strait. And that is precisely where India is concentrating its search as part of the ongoing multi-nation hunt for the missing jetliner.

"The Navy, IAF and Coast Guard are scanning an area spanning over 2,50,000 sq km in the Andaman Sea and Bay of Bengal with six warships and extensive aerial surveillance by aircraft like P-8I long-range maritime patrol planes, medium-range Dornier-228s and a C-130J Super Hercules with electro-optic and infra-red sensors. But so far, no sighting or detection has been reported," said an officer.

Malaysian jet couldn’t have flown over India undetected: Military - The Times of India

 

[Donatello]

Man this whole MH370 thing is getting scary and strange.

 

[Indischer]

Man this whole MH370 thing is getting scary and strange.

What if this was a dry run of some Terrorist network to test the effectiveness of their new hijacking technique?

 

[Donatello]

What if this was a dry run of some Terrorist network to test the effectiveness of their new hijacking technique?

I doubt that. Why? because in any case the main question is what happened to the aircraft and above all, to it's passengers?

We have to find this plane or it's wreckage. Usually hijacking has some motive. People will have demands. None in such a case. This is leaning more towards a forced hijacking by the pilot(s) since they know the plane so well and might have been a suicidal mission. It happened in the past, but indeed is very rare.

But i feel so sorry for the passengers and their loved ones. One week has gone and we still don't know anything.

 

[Indischer]

I doubt that. Why? because in any case the main question is what happened to the aircraft and above all, to it's passengers?

We have to find this plane or it's wreckage. Usually hijacking has some motive. People will have demands. None in such a case. This is leaning more towards a forced hijacking by the pilot(s) since they know the plane so well and might have been a suicidal mission. It happened in the past, but indeed is very rare.

But i feel so sorry for the passengers and their loved ones. One week has gone and we still don't know anything.

I'm not getting on a plane until this case is solved.

What if the Pilots were compelled into such an action?

 

[SouthDesi]

Amid the void of information on their fates, it seems at times the passengers and crew of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 have been reduced to a number.
Two hundred and thirty-nine.

Yet, as their families and others who love and miss them can attest through their anguish, they are so much more. Hailing from at least a dozen nations, they represent a vast gamut of humanity.

The youngest is 2, the oldest 76. Five passengers haven't seen their fifth birthdays.

They are engineers, an artist and a stunt man, along with Buddhist pilgrims, vacationers and commuters. To those who wait for them, they are fathers, mothers, children, soulmates and the dearest of friends.

As could be said of any large, random group, they are many things, individuals with 239 unique backgrounds, idiosyncrasies and lives.

Here are a few of their stories:

Ju Kun

Ju's social media account has been flooded with well-wishers praying for his safe return. Many know the 35-year-old martial arts expert from his stand-ins as a stunt man in films like "The Grandmaster" and "The Forbidden Kingdom." The latter starred genre luminaries Jackie Chan and Jet Li. Ju was slated to begin filming on the Netflix series, "Marco Polo" in coming weeks.

Chinese actress Zhang Ziyi wrote on Weibo that Ju "is a sincere, kind and hardworking man," while Netflix said he is "an integral part of our production team and a tremendous talent."

Chandrika Sharma

K.S. Narendran considered going to Kuala Lampur for more information on his wife, but ultimately he didn't see the point. No information in Chennai, India, is the same as no information in Kuala Lampur, so he'd prefer to be "surrounded by family and friends."

Sharma, the executive secretary of the International Collective in Support of Fishworkers, was en route to Mongolia for a U.N.'s Food and Agriculture Organization conference. Narendran says he's received little information from authorities and, like most of the world, has relied on news reports, which "thus far amounted to nothing," he said.

Paul Weeks

Weeks left his wedding ring and watch at home when he took a mining job in Mongolia. The New Zealander instructed his wife, Danica, to pass them on to his two sons "should anything happen."

Danica clutched her husband's wedding ring and fought back tears as she explained to CNN that her husband was aboard Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, en route to Mongolia. She describes him as "the most amazing husband and the most amazing father," who always spends time with his boys. She says the hardest part is the cruel mystery: not knowing what happened to the plane.

"He had strength, character. He's just so much. He's my best friend and my soulmate, and I just can't wait for him to come back. I hope. I hope."

Gu Naijun and Li Yuan

Muktesh Mukherjee and Xiaomo Bai vacationed in Vietnam.
Gu, 31, uses her Weibo account to keep her oft-traveling husband, Li, 32, apprised of the goings-on of their two "princesses," whether the daughters are swimming, playing on the slide, dressing in frilly costumes or just enjoying a lunch outing, The Sydney Morning Herald reported.

The Chinese couple fell in love in Sydney, Australia, and moved to its suburbs. They had recently sold their Sylvania home and were spending most of their time in China, the paper reported. Li, who went by Carlos, is a partner with Beijing Landysoft Technology, where one longtime employee said he and his coworkers were shocked. "He's a good boss, kind, and extremely hard-working,'' the employee said.

Muktesh Mukherjee and Xiaomo Bai

Mukherjee, 42, is vice president of China operations for Xcoal Energy & Resources. He and his wife, Xiaomo Bai, 37, who broadcaster CTV identified as Canadians who once lived in Montreal, left their two young boys with Bai's mom in Beijing while they went on vacation in Vietnam, according to Bai's Facebook page.

Matthew McConkey, a friend of the couple's, said Mukherjee "was very much in love with" Bai, and "as parents nothing was more important to them than those kids."

Mao Tugui

Hu Xianquan last spoke to her husband, Mao, a painter, March 2, as he was boarding a plane to attend an exhibition for his work. Like Danica Weeks, she finds the dearth of information frustrating, and her grief has morphed to agonizing frustration.

Mohd Sofuan Ibrahim and Ch'ng Mei Ling

Hasif Nazri, 33, was doubly sad upon learning of the plane's disappearance. Not only did he live in the same dorm as the 33-year-old Ibrahim during their school days in Malaysia, but Mei Ling, also 33, is another former classmate.

While Nazri acknowledges losing hope as the days drag on, he has fond memories of his old friends. Ibrahim, who posted a Facebook photo before boarding Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, was traveling to Beijing to begin work for Malaysia's Ministry of International Trade and Industry. A good student and speaker, Ibrahim is also "a good, kind-hearted friend, very helpful, cheerful and definitely no wallflower," Nazri said.

Huang Yi, and her daughter, Yuanyuan, 5.
Nazri remembers Mei Ling, meanwhile, as a funny woman with an infectious laugh. She's a "very cheerful girl." Mei Ling works for Flexsys America LP, an Ohio-based manufacturer of chemicals for the rubber industry, and has lived in Pennsylvania since 2010. She "was very adaptable," Nazri recalled from his days doing course work with her.

Huang Yi

Huang Lu, an elementary school teacher in China's Guizhou province, hopes for "miracle" news of her friend, Huang Yi, 30, who works for the Texas-based technology firm Freescale Semiconductor, and was aboard the flight with 19 colleagues when the plane disappeared.

Huang Lu and Huang Yi have been friends since they were teens and have kept in touch online. Huang Lu often spoke to her friend's daughter, Yuanyuan, 5, about family and raising kids. "She's kind, lively and a good person to talk with," Huang Lu said of her pal. "Yi, please come back. Yuanyuan needs you."

Swawand Kolekar

In Mumbai, India, Archit Joshi, 23, desperately sought information on his classmate, Kolekar, whose family in Beijing was also desperate for any information on his whereabouts.

Joshi described Kolekar as "very reserved but very, very intelligent ... a bit of a techno-freak and he made a lot of circuits and projects at engineering college."

Philip Wood is an IBM executive.
"He didn't have many friends -- he was a bit of a loner -- but he had all the attributes a good friend should have."

Li Yan

Li's aunt, Zhang Guizhi, traveled from central China to Beijing and was hoping to obtain a passport to travel to wherever the plane is found. She wasn't sure how to go about the process and began weeping when she explained Li, 31, had traveled with her husband and four friends to Malaysia for vacation.

Philip Wood

The 51-year-old father of two graduated from Oklahoma Christian University in 1985 with a Bachelor of Science in math and computer science, said school spokeswoman Risa Forrester. On the school's Facebook page, a man wrote that Wood, an IBM executive, is "gentle, kind, had great taste in music and was a wonderful artist."

"His word was gold," his family said in a statement. "Incredibly generous, creative and intelligent, Phil cared about people, his family, and above all, Christ."

Mary and Rodney Burrows

Neighbors Mandy Watt and Don Stoke say the Burrowses are the hard-working parents of three "successful, all happy" adult children -- two daughters and a son. Rodney Burrows had planned his trip to China after being laid off last year, the Australian Associated Press reported.

Watt further said of the Middle Park, Australia, couple, "I hate to use the cliche, but they were soulmates."

Catherine and Robert Lawton

The Lawtons, a Springfield Lakes, Australia, couple, in their mid-50s, are passionate travelers, parents to three daughters and doting grandparents, according to the Australian Associated Press.

Robert's brother, David, described him as a "very good father, such a good person." Robert's sister-in-law said the Lawtons had planned their trip with their good friends, the Burrowses. Cathy's last Facebook post before leaving was, "Off to China."

 

[Umair Nawaz]

its funny when it comes to themselves they immediately acknowledge how robust our systems r.

 

[Robinhood Pandey]

its funny when it comes to themselves they immediately acknowledge how robust our systems r.

Dude, don't you leave any chance to score points against India ?

Grow up. . .

its a sad Incident, spare it.

 

[Secularpakistani]

Well really this is so mysterious now it really looks like some big terrorist plot is coming and the plane is hijacked.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

Dude, don't you leave any chance to score points against India ?

Grow up. . .

its a sad Incident, spare it.

im referring to IAF's officer's words kid.

 

[Secularpakistani]

Dude, don't you leave any chance to score points against India ?

Grow up. . .

its a sad Incident, spare it.

O bhai go sleep you really sticked your *** with glue on PDF
Well i cant sleep because my routine is disturbed,so why you are still awaking and which indian city do you live? Its 4:29am here

 

[Robinhood Pandey]

im referring to IAF's officer's words kid.

you mean these words ?

Why also forget the robust air defence networks of countries like Pakistan

Now stay on the Topic if possible or else do not Quote me

 

[Umair Nawaz]

you mean these words ?





Now stay on the Topic if possible or else do not Quote me

then simply dont quote my posts kiddo.

 

[Thorough Pro]

Really?

Just last week indian aviation requested Karachi ATC to convey message to an indian airliner flying in indian airspace, which indian aviation could not locate.

NEW DELHI: The Indian military establishment has rejected the possibility that the Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, which mysteriously disappeared eight days en route to Beijing from Kuala Lumpur, could have flown over India on way to Kazakhstan-Turkmenistan in Central Asia.

This came after Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak on Saturday said the missing plane's last communication with a satellite suggested it could have been "deliberately diverted", after its transponders were switched off, into "two possible corridors or arcs". The northern one was identified as stretching from northern Thailand to Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan, while the southern one from Indonesia to southern Indian Ocean.

"If the jetliner had tried to cross the Indian mainland, our primary radars (which bounce radio signals off targets) would have picked it up despite its transponders being switched off (secondary radars beam signals that request information from a plane's transponders)," said a top IAF officer.

If an "unidentified" plane had been picked up flouting prescribed procedures or with switched-off transponders or not "squawking" IFF (identification, friend or foe) codes, a series of "air defence measures" would have kicked in - including the scrambling of fighters - to "detect, identify, intercept and destroy" the intruder.

Senior IAF and Navy officers admitted there were "a few gaps" in India's civil and military radar networks but stressed it would be "virtually impossible" for a jetliner to fly undetected across the Indian mainland. "The five Airports Authority of India radars at Delhi, Kolkata, Ahmedabad, Chennai and Mumbai are integrated with IAF's air defence network. The possibility is far-fetched," said an officer.

"Why also forget the robust air defence networks of countries like Pakistan, fully-geared towards India, or the US-led forces in Afghanistan or Iran for that matter, all of which would have been on this so-called flight arc," he added.

Former IAF vice-chief Air Marshal P K Barbora, in turn, added, "Both India and Pakistan are very wary of any blip that comes up on their radars...it's very unlikely that a plane could have flown across the vast stretch of land without being detected by one or some other country. An aircraft flying low to avoid radars would not be able to go such a long distance."

Indian officials are of the opinion that MH370, hijacked or otherwise, probably went down in the Bay of Bengal or southern Indian Ocean after being diverted and flying close to the Malacca Strait. And that is precisely where India is concentrating its search as part of the ongoing multi-nation hunt for the missing jetliner.

"The Navy, IAF and Coast Guard are scanning an area spanning over 2,50,000 sq km in the Andaman Sea and Bay of Bengal with six warships and extensive aerial surveillance by aircraft like P-8I long-range maritime patrol planes, medium-range Dornier-228s and a C-130J Super Hercules with electro-optic and infra-red sensors. But so far, no sighting or detection has been reported," said an officer.

Malaysian jet couldn’t have flown over India undetected: Military - The Times of India

 

[gslv mk3]

Really?

Just last week indian aviation requested Karachi ATC to convey message to an indian airliner flying in indian airspace, which indian aviation could not locate.

Cannot distinguish between a civilian ATC & military AD network..