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[zambino]

So gripen is coming? That means rafale numbers will be capped at 36+18?

 

[Jamy]

So gripen is coming? That means rafale numbers will be capped at 36+18?

No way, More than a decade of effort on evaluation and exhaustive negotiations for a mere 54 jets, will question the wisdom of IAF planners. Rafale will form the back bone of IAF. Will make the "Middle Order" formidable. Like Mr.Dependable Dravid, it will "Defend" our airspace as a Wall, at times it will "Open" the attack, always it will "Keep" the enemy guessing, and "Slog" down the line when needed. Hope Rafale and the Light Weight Fighter co exist in numbers.

 

[Sri]

From BRF, I read this and makes sense on why there is no second line of MK1 production as HAL is manufacturing more or less everything on its own

Courtesy Shiv from BRF.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

No way, More than a decade of effort on evaluation and exhaustive negotiations for a mere 54 jets, will question the wisdom of IAF planners. Rafale will form the back bone of IAF. Will make the "Middle Order" formidable. Like Mr.Dependable Dravid, it will "Defend" our airspace as a Wall, at times it will "Open" the attack, always it will "Keep" the enemy guessing, and "Slog" down the line when needed. Hope Rafale and the Light Weight Fighter co exist in numbers.

Rafale will be the TIP of the SWORD

It will lead the attack ; A frontal assault on the enemy's AWACS and the escorts

SPECTRA Plus METEOR will make the enemy defences crumble

 

[jha]

So, we are looking to retain 100 Jaguars and induct Rafales,Gripens,LCA-1A... and 250 FGFA... very solid plan.

 

[#hydra#]

Hope they will go for the original plan,ie 126 rafales.

 

[Ankit Kumar 002]

Any new type of fighter jet which will not come by 2021 in IAF service is as good as a crashed Mig21 for us.

Death to dickheads in HAL and MoD who are screwing up a god sent plan for IAF.

 

[halloweene]

GTRE(Gas Turbine Research and Development Establishment) is a part of DRDO, instead of DRDO I typed HAL..


Again I'm telling you, Comparing to all those achievements by GTRE or DRDO in terms of Propulsion systems is not right.. What we do is assemble in KD, SKD kits or at the maximum get the parts manufactured locally with specs and Drawings provided by the OEM.. The only indigenous effort was during GTRE-X or Kaveri project, but it is stuck at a very critical phase.. Where as the VOLVO has done far more than that.. VOLVO has developed their own FADEC by early nineties.. DRDO or GTRE had done it after the development of KAVERI.. VOLVO has understood the GE engines and designed their own Y-Ducts in the compressor inlet to have better fuel efficiency than the original GE engines.. They have also developed certain crucial parts as per the requirement of Swedish Airspace to have better reliability and to sustain Bird hits.. Now that is indegenous.. They have the techs required but they didn't needed a completely indegenous product because there was no need for that and the swedes also had no export restrictions in terms of the Engines(Except for those countries under sanctions). Now Compare the situations and tell me if you want to compare the Two in the same league???
@A.P. Richelieu @PARIKRAMA @Taygibay If you guys could add to what I quoted above..??


No.. My reply was when you compared to Grippen, with the current day Specifications to LCA MK1A.. As on date comparison is what I had given there.. Grippen with its Selex Made AESA and LCA with ELTA made Pulse Doppler..


No.. U just have to check the SAAB page to see how advanced they are in terms of Avionics and Radars and for how many years and how many countries they have exported their radar systems too.. But if you compare SAAB and BEL or DRDO on the same levels then it is like comparing to apples and oranges..


Bofors Howitzers is a SAAB made weapon and we all know how it kicks *** even today, it is an evidence to SAAB's quality.. SAAB had a legacy of Building highly advanced fighter Jets such as Viggen, Grippen etc from scratch for more than 40 years.. They have successfully exported those fighter jets and kept the end users satisfied with the performance and after sales service.. They were the first in the world to successfully create and deploy a canard wing fighter jets in the world.. They have created their own GAN modules based AESA Radar and it is about to enter production.. They have enough experience and expertise in modifying and finetuning GE , P&W engines according to their needs..
They are also in the process of designing a 5th generation fighter jet for international market.. I would say these qualities are enough for a company to venture in MII.. And moreover, it is SAAB which is going to invest Billions.. Not the Indian Govt.. They just need a market to sell if they come up with something awesome..
Just my views..

I understand your point of view and i do like SAAB products. However, Viggen was not technically speaking a canard delta plane, but a double delta (nvm, detail). During the same period, Dassault implemented canards on Mirage III S (another detail). SAAB (in fact the intellectual property is owned by Chalmers university) ability to build GaN modules comes from the very same european programs as UMS, QinetiQ, SELEX etc. capabilities (Korrigan and some others (manga, magnus + national programs). One can therefore expect that technology involved will be very similar.

 

[Allen Iverson]

I understand your point of view and i do like SAAB products. However, Viggen was not technically speaking a canard delta plane, but a double delta (nvm, detail). During the same period, Dassault implemented canards on Mirage III S (another detail). SAAB (in fact the intellectual property is owned by Chalmers university) ability to build GaN modules comes from the very same european programs as UMS, QinetiQ, SELEX etc. capabilities (Korrigan and some others (manga, magnus + national programs). One can therefore expect that technology involved will be very similar.

May be.. I did not get into the minute details of which technology owned by or developed by which organisation.. I was speculating the Abilities of SAAB as a technology developer and manufacturer and compared it with a Budding organisation like HAL.. But these details you've mentioned above are new to me..

 

[ashok321]

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/busi...g-offers-to-build-super-hornets-in-india.html

BENGALURU: Aerospace behemoth Boeing is getting a supply chain and the aerospace ecosystem ready as part of its proposal to the Ministry of defence to establish a modern production facility in the country to roll out advanced F/A-18 Super Hornets and next generation fighters best-suited for the next century, says Pratyush Kumar, president, Boeing India, and vice president of Boeing International.

On Thursday, Pratyush Kumar received the first electrical panel assembly manufactured for F/A-18 Super Hornets by Bengaluru-based SASMOS HET Technologies Limited as part of a multi-million dollar deal with the local small & medium enterprise. “We will not wait for the decision or orders, but are getting the foundation ready and creating the most globally competitive supply chain in India. We have 30-odd direct and 130 indirect suppliers, and are looking at them to source components and systems (for F/A-18 Super Hornets). Our philosophy is ground up, while others work on top down models,” he told to this newspaper. In view of MoD’s decision to scout for another fighter jet beyond the Rafale, Boeing’s proposal to roll out F/A-18 Super Hornets as part of the “Make in India” initiative now figures in government-to-government discussions. “Today’s delivery of the critical electrical panel assembly is a seminal event for us. Most people will tell you we will do this or that, subject to getting orders,” he said.

 

[maximuswarrior]

Compared to the Rafale? A super deal if you ask me.

 

[sputnik]

compare to LH, Boeing should be preferred.Already TATA Aerospace manufacturing various parts for Boeing Civillian Jets.

 

[sudhir007]

Already 7 to 8 type of A/C we are using better to concentrate on rafale, lca and su30mki after that fgfa and amca

 

[Rupeshkumar]

Are we really ready one more type of aircraft ? It will be complete circus

 

[sathya]

If silent f16 is offered, that would be better than silent f 18..