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[Figaro]

india should buy 5 of every jet out there.

India would be one of the first countries to purchase the JF-17 if it were not designed/produced by Pakistan and China.

 

[dbc]

= bull shit.
12 second hands and 6 brand new to be sold in the 1.2 billion....
+/- 50€ million each for the second hand ones, 100 millions each for the new.

I'm sorry. and you are right not free but donation - France is so generous.

 

[BON PLAN]

I'm sorry. and you are right not free but donation - France is so generous.

As said previously, it is full bull shit.

The deal is not for 10 to buy and 8 for free (or donation or what you want). It is 12 in second hand, with a max of 3500 flying hours each (ie remains 5500 hours) and 6 new.

So stop this ridiculous french bashing.

 

[Khan vilatey]

India would be one of the first countries to purchase the JF-17 if it were not designed/produced by Pakistan and China.

they still would after Pakistan liberates Delhi from an illegal Goverment

k

 

[dbc]

As said previously, it is full bull shit.

The deal is not for 10 to buy and 8 for free (or donation or what you want). It is 12 in second hand, with a max of 3500 flying hours each (ie remains 5500 hours) and 6 new.

So stop this ridiculous french bashing.

no..no.. French bashing....only Rafale bashing....

Source 1 From Greece

Greece Getting 18 Dassault Rafale Fighter Jets From France, 8 Are Free - Fighter Jets World

Rafale - RIAT 2013 - Credits: Tim Felce (Airwolfhound) Greek newspaper Parapolitika reports that Gre

fighterjetsworld.com

Greek newspaper Parapolitika reports that Greece will be getting 18 Rafale fighters. The report says a preliminary agreement for the acquisition has been reached. Ten of these fighters will be the F3-R variant built from scratch while the other 8 jets will be second-hand aircraft that will be transferred free to Greece from the French Air Force.

Source 2 From France

The Minister of the Armed Forces Florence Parly claims the gifts to Greece will leave France "petit creux" (little hollow)

Why little hollow mon ami? Obviously since Greece is not remunerating France for the 'Free Rafale' so France cannot replenish so sad.

Florence Parly cherche à rassurer sur les prélèvements de Rafale pour la Grèce

La ministre des Armées Florence Parly assure que les prélèvements de Rafale sur la flotte de l'armée de l'Air au profit de la Grèce, qui compte acquérir 18 avions de combat français dont plusieurs d'occasion,

www.capital.fr

 

[BON PLAN]

no..no.. French bashing....only Rafale bashing....

Source 1 From Greece

Greece Getting 18 Dassault Rafale Fighter Jets From France, 8 Are Free - Fighter Jets World

Rafale - RIAT 2013 - Credits: Tim Felce (Airwolfhound) Greek newspaper Parapolitika reports that Gre

fighterjetsworld.com

Greek newspaper Parapolitika reports that Greece will be getting 18 Rafale fighters. The report says a preliminary agreement for the acquisition has been reached. Ten of these fighters will be the F3-R variant built from scratch while the other 8 jets will be second-hand aircraft that will be transferred free to Greece from the French Air Force.

Source 2 From France

The Minister of the Armed Forces Florence Parly claims the gifts to Greece will leave France "petit creux" (little hollow)

Why little hollow mon ami? Obviously since Greece is not remunerating France for the 'Free Rafale' so France cannot replenish so sad.

Florence Parly cherche à rassurer sur les prélèvements de Rafale pour la Grèce

La ministre des Armées Florence Parly assure que les prélèvements de Rafale sur la flotte de l'armée de l'Air au profit de la Grèce, qui compte acquérir 18 avions de combat français dont plusieurs d'occasion,

www.capital.fr

The french news said : Greece will acquire 18 jets, several of them taken from the french air force. Taken desn't mean offered.

https://www.lepoint.fr/monde/en-ach...ible-de-la-turquie-15-09-2020-2391903_24.php# it is 12 second hand jets and 6 new.

Only the idiots think "second hand" means "for free".

 

[BON PLAN]

The french news said : Greece will acquire 18 jets, several of them taken from the french air force. Taken desn't mean offered.

https://www.lepoint.fr/monde/en-ach...ible-de-la-turquie-15-09-2020-2391903_24.php# it is 12 second hand jets and 6 new.

Only the idiots think "second hand" means "for free".

 

[Deino]

Guys ... can we leave out the Greek AF and its possible Rafale order and come back to the topic!?

By the way, are there any news concerning this "Make in India" purchase or will it again soldier on until 2034?

 

[johncliu88]

Is "Made in India" a joke of the century? I only hear "buy... buy ... buy..." from Indian even assault rifles & bullets.

 

[MirageBlue]

Guys ... can we leave out the Greek AF and its possible Rafale order and come back to the topic!?

By the way, are there any news concerning this "Make in India" purchase or will it again soldier on until 2034?

Latest news is that the IAF's new ACM has asked to speed up the RFI and get an RFP ready for 2022.

But frankly there isn't money for 114 MRFAs and the contract will be horrendously complicated. It will take years to be signed and then for them to be built and delivered. Only hope is that the Govt. goes for a G2G contract with the chosen fighter and skips the years that will go in negotiations with L1/L2 winners.

 

[Darius77]

Is this thread an attempt at humor? India can not even make a working rifle as the ANSAS 5.56 failed in Lakakh and they are now assembling Russian AK-103 to replace it. India is is delusionally being buoyed up by the US losers and Zionist criminals as a lackey cannon fodder to "contain China" which is the usual racist western group think delusions. India would last less than a week against the PLA and the saner Indians know it. Why do you think they have not sent their much vaunted Rafale either against China or even Pakistan? they would be shot out of the sky, causing both France and India much embarassment and humiliation on the Kabul scale.

 

[Hephaestus]

Is this thread an attempt at humor? India can not even make a working rifle as the ANSAS 5.56 failed in Lakakh and they are now assembling Russian AK-103 to replace it. India is is delusionally being buoyed up by the US losers and Zionist criminals as a lackey cannon fodder to "contain China" which is the usual racist western group think delusions. India would last less than a week against the PLA and the saner Indians know it. Why do you think they have not sent their much vaunted Rafale either against China or even Pakistan? they would be shot out of the sky, causing both France and India much embarassment and humiliation on the Kabul scale.

Ok, calm down & stick to the topic.

 

[Yasser76]

Ok, calm down & stick to the topic.

OK, lets stick to the topic.

Right now, HAL has no SU-30s MKIS being made, No deliveries of Tejas this year and paying France to build Rafales in France.

MRCA was first tabled in 2001. It is now 2021.

F-16s, and F-18s are being replaced.

The Europeans are already designing replacements for the Rafale/Typhoon/Gripen.

China (after J-10C production is finished) will only be producing 5/6th Gen planes.

At the very most optimstic estimate if IAF chooses a plane in the next 3 years (assuming funds) you will start producing the planes in 2030. You will be the only country in the world inducting and building 4th gen planes by then, no one else will.

Tejas MK2 has not even flown yet so you can assume no AMCA till at least 2035-2040 9again, be very charatible to HAL here).

USAF will not release F-35. Russians may flog you a dumbed down SU-57.

This sums up just how f**ked IAF is.....

 

[johncliu88]

OK, lets stick to the topic.

Right now, HAL has no SU-30s MKIS being made, No deliveries of Tejas this year and paying France to build Rafales in France.

MRCA was first tabled in 2001. It is now 2021.

F-16s, and F-18s are being replaced.

The Europeans are already designing replacements for the Rafale/Typhoon/Gripen.

China (after J-10C production is finished) will only be producing 5/6th Gen planes.

At the very most optimstic estimate if IAF chooses a plane in the next 3 years (assuming funds) you will start producing the planes in 2030. You will be the only country in the world inducting and building 4th gen planes by then, no one else will.

Tejas MK2 has not even flown yet so you can assume no AMCA till at least 2035-2040 9again, be very charatible to HAL here).

USAF will not release F-35. Russians may flog you a dumbed down SU-57.

This sums up just how f**ked IAF is.....

Totally agree with your opinions. As China may also upgrade their J-10C with J-20's avionic equipment to make it a 4.5+ Gen jet, then export them to Pak if necessary. Tejas MK2 or/and AMCA are definitely out-gunned. Also, when China fixes all the bugs of WS-15 engine, J-20 will be in real mass production stage. I just want to see how Indian's fighter jets will deal with all these opponents. Buy, buy, buy ............

 

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