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[Taygibay]

Let's be blunt : IAF has one jet in inventory with an AESA.*
Sweden has pulse doppler units and a prototype.

Stop buggering the Indians, mate . . . or are you jealous?

Good day still, Tay.

* And 2052 in, RBE2 coming, UTTAM going for it, that's 3 sooner than later!

 

[X_Killer]

Let's be blunt : IAF has one jet in inventory with an AESA.*
Sweden has pulse doppler units and a prototype.

Stop buggering the Indians, mate . . . or are you jealous?

Good day still, Tay.

* And 2052 in, RBE2 coming, UTTAM going for it, that's 3 sooner than later!

ELTA EL/W-2090 is left, buddy
Which is already Operational from years.

IAF has 1st fighter jet with AESA and 2nd in overall IAF inventory...

Probably, NIIP's beylka will also be there with FGFA.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Let's be blunt : IAF has one jet in inventory with an AESA.*
Sweden has pulse doppler units and a prototype.

Stop buggering the Indians, mate . . . or are you jealous?

Good day still, Tay.

* And 2052 in, RBE2 coming, UTTAM going for it, that's 3 sooner than later!

The SAAB competence in GaN AESA is highly relevant to the MII deal since it is offered as ToT.

The Indians here first deny that SAAB has any radar competence.
I have shown that SAAB has been working with Radar for 50 years.
Then it is denied that SAAB has AESA radar competence.
I have shown that EriEye is AESA and has been around for 30 years.
Then they do not believe SAAB has GaN.
Once it is proven that SAAB actually have what they need, they claim they do not need it
because they already have it.
Then they claim that SAABs offer of GaN AESA ToT as part of a Gripen deal is a request for help.
An announcement that India plans to build a foundry for GaN is taken as proof they have a foundry.
A GaAs module is used as proof they have a GaN module.
The development of a AESA based radar is proof that it must be based on GaN.

They claim that F-16 production and ToT has been denied, which has been proven false.
They claim that SE project is dead... while Indian government is negotiation - no source.
They claim that F-16 parts are produced only by US companies, proven false.

Once Indians start to accept facts and provide real sources, they will not have to be buggered.

 

[X_Killer]

It's my personal view:

If there will be a SE jet tender than there should be a condition that if they got selected for India under MII than they should ensure that it will not going to sale or service anything of our Enemy countries.

 

[randomradio]

I doubt Israel has an advantage.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities...est-flies-with-aesa-radar/article19466548.ece

 

[ziaulislam]

The SAAB competence in GaN AESA is highly relevant to the MII deal since it is offered as ToT.

The Indians here first deny that SAAB has any radar competence.
I have shown that SAAB has been working with Radar for 50 years.
Then it is denied that SAAB has AESA radar competence.
I have shown that EriEye is AESA and has been around for 30 years.
Then they do not believe SAAB has GaN.
Once it is proven that SAAB actually have what they need, they claim they do not need it
because they already have it.
Then they claim that SAABs offer of GaN AESA ToT as part of a Gripen deal is a request for help.
An announcement that India plans to build a foundry for GaN is taken as proof they have a foundry.
A GaAs module is used as proof they have a GaN module.
The development of a AESA based radar is proof that it must be based on GaN.

They claim that F-16 production and ToT has been denied, which has been proven false.
They claim that SE project is dead... while Indian government is negotiation - no source.
They claim that F-16 parts are produced only by US companies, proven false.

Once Indians start to accept facts and provide real sources, they will not have to be buggered.

honestly i feel sorry for SAAB, for they have tried so much and invested so much, denied systems to pakistan for sake of MRCA and will end up with nothing.they probably would have gotten a good chank of sales if they had been involved in thunder, the french first did and backed out but atleast they got the "36" rafales.

 

[X_Killer]

@A.P. Richelieu
Saab has no GaN based AESA for fighter jets under its own brand "Saab"

The below link is from Saab's OFFICIAL website.
http://saab.com/region/india/about-.../2015/selex-es-raven-aesa-radar-on-gripen-ng/

Also you can go through the third-party source
http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/sa...has-an-awesome-way-to-make-its-1743963539/amp
It states that it adds a repositioner to Raven AESA. This system, which is called a repositioner, is ingenious as it allows the Gripen NG’s Raven ES-05 radar to gain another 40 degrees of scanning ability to either side of the aircraft’s nose. This is in addition to the 60 degrees AESA radar sets typically provide (120 degrees combined).

Enjoy your day

they probably would have gotten a good chank of sales if they had been involved in thunder, the french first did and backed out but atleast they got the "36" rafales.

LoL did you said THUNDER?


For RAFALE, soon, You will see a total number of RAFALEs will cross 100 for Navy + IAF

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities...est-flies-with-aesa-radar/article19466548.ece

If You accept a GaAs AESA fighter radar, the obviously SAAB does not have that.
What I meant was the Israelis do not have an advantage if a GaN is desired.

A GaN radar has much better range than a GaAs radar, so once it can
be produced at a reasonable cost, this is where You want to go.

@A.P. Richelieu
Saab has no GaN based AESA for fighter jets under its own brand "Saab"

The below link is from Saab's OFFICIAL website.
http://saab.com/region/india/about-.../2015/selex-es-raven-aesa-radar-on-gripen-ng/

Also you can go through the third-party source
http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/sa...has-an-awesome-way-to-make-its-1743963539/amp
It states that it adds a repositioner to Raven AESA. This system, which is called a repositioner, is ingenious as it allows the Gripen NG’s Raven ES-05 radar to gain another 40 degrees of scanning ability to either side of the aircraft’s nose. This is in addition to the 60 degrees AESA radar sets typically provide (120 degrees combined).

Enjoy your day


LoL did you said THUNDER?


For RAFALE, soon, You will see a total number of RAFALEs will cross 100 for Navy + IAF

I posted a link to this earlier, but your short term memory seems to be failing.
This is not the Gripen radar.

 

[ziaulislam]

@A.P. Richelieu
Saab has no GaN based AESA for fighter jets under its own brand "Saab"

The below link is from Saab's OFFICIAL website.
http://saab.com/region/india/about-.../2015/selex-es-raven-aesa-radar-on-gripen-ng/

Also you can go through the third-party source
http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/sa...has-an-awesome-way-to-make-its-1743963539/amp
It states that it adds a repositioner to Raven AESA. This system, which is called a repositioner, is ingenious as it allows the Gripen NG’s Raven ES-05 radar to gain another 40 degrees of scanning ability to either side of the aircraft’s nose. This is in addition to the 60 degrees AESA radar sets typically provide (120 degrees combined).

Enjoy your day


LoL did you said THUNDER?


For RAFALE, soon, You will see a total number of RAFALEs will cross 100 for Navy + IAF

so, at what cost..?
operational costs..?

unless you are india new fiance minister, last i check india has said no rafale anytime soon.

navy might get them. after all india is the world fourth biggest economy(while in 130s /capita), largest population in the world and with largest poor population in the world

 

[surya kiran]

@A.P. Richelieu @Taygibay @X_Killer @randomradio

GaN tech development and fabrication comes under the Indian Institute of Science. Not DRDO. They have been at it for quite sometime. If I am not mistaken they had something in place in 2015. I neither have the inclination nor the drive to provide you with articles. If you know anybody in IISc, would suggest you to check with them.

"He has helped establish a semi-production scale growth facility that now consistently produces GaN-based transistors on Si wafers comparable with the best in the world. The material production is so consistent that CeNSE has now started providing these wafers to researchers all over the country. Efforts are on to build packaged discrete devices and systems around these structures. This will help create an entire ecosystem of GaN based electronics at IISc—from materials to devices to systems."

The R&D in GaN in India is advancing outside the purview of the DRDO.

http://www.cense.iisc.ac.in/research/gan-technology

http://www.cense.iisc.ac.in/research/cvd-reactor-galium-nitride-gan

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

@A.P. Richelieu @Taygibay @X_Killer @randomradio

GaN tech development and fabrication comes under the Indian Institute of Science. Not DRDO. They have been at it for quite sometime. If I am not mistaken they had something in place in 2015. I neither have the inclination nor the drive to provide you with articles. If you know anybody in IISc, would suggest you to check with them.

"He has helped establish a semi-production scale growth facility that now consistently produces GaN-based transistors on Si wafers comparable with the best in the world. The material production is so consistent that CeNSE has now started providing these wafers to researchers all over the country. Efforts are on to build packaged discrete devices and systems around these structures. This will help create an entire ecosystem of GaN based electronics at IISc—from materials to devices to systems."

The R&D in GaN in India is advancing outside the purview of the DRDO.

http://www.cense.iisc.ac.in/research/gan-technology

http://www.cense.iisc.ac.in/research/cvd-reactor-galium-nitride-gan

Thanks, that confirms that it still early days for GaN in India.

 

[randomradio]

If You accept a GaAs AESA fighter radar, the obviously SAAB does not have that.
What I meant was the Israelis do not have an advantage if a GaN is desired.

The biggest advantage is having an operational radar. Switching GaAs to GaN is easy. It's only a retrofit.

Thanks, that comfirms that it still early days for GaN in India.

The production facility has already been sanctioned. How is that early days? The IISc has been delivering GaN modules for research since 2015.

By the end of next year, the facility will start delivering GaN modules for large scale programs.

 

[X_Killer]

For those who want to know the content composition of Saab GRIPEN may get an idea from this pic.

so, at what cost..?
operational costs..?

unless you are india new fiance minister, last i check india has said no rafale anytime soon.

More RAFALEs will be announced by end of 2019
Don't you ever think that why India paid about 3 billion USD for customisation for just 36 jets?
Think about it...

navy might get them. after all india is the world fourth biggest economy(while in 130s /capita), largest population in the world and with largest poor population in the world

Do you want that I'll post the data of your country?
Just stop this nonsense..

 

[Dai Toruko]

Meanwhile, the idea that the US has denied ToT on F-16 is now proven FALSE.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/a...-report-on-f-16-tech-transfer-to-indi-440209/
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"A recent report claiming the US denied critical F-16 technology to the government of India is erroneous, the US Air Force and F-16 manufacturer Lockheed Martin say."
...
"Any media reports claiming the US has denied or approved the transfer of F-16 technology to India are simply not true,” Lockheed says. “The government of India is still determining its single-engine fighter requirements and government-to-government discussions between India and the USs are ongoing. No decisions have been made yet regarding technology transfer.”
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So the question was if the US has approved ToT for F-16, and the answer was no.

Using broken logic, Indian keyboard warriors believed this meant that the US had denied ToT.
End Result:

Separate thread started for unknown reasons.
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/lock...-technology-transfer-is-still-ongoing.512012/

Indian state behaves like a beggar.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

The biggest advantage is having an operational radar. Switching GaAs to GaN is easy. It's only a retrofit.

The production facility has already been sanctioned. How is that early days? The IISc has been delivering GaN modules for research since 2015.

By the end of next year, the facility will start delivering GaN modules for large scale programs.

SAAB has had operational AESA radar for a long time (EriEye) and Pulse-Doppler fighter radar.
The source have been provided in this thread shows that IISc has been providing wafers,
and are trying to package the dies, so that they are actually useful.
That is very different from a power module, needed for a radar.

GaN transistors are notoriously difficult to work with, and if the power module is
not designed correctly it might self-destruct.
It can take several years to fix such problems.


What India can do now are GaN transistors in small quantities.
Before the production facility is up and running, you do not know the yield,
and do not know the price.
What happens if it cost $1M to produce a power module due to terrible yield?
The radar would cost $700M. Exaggerating of course , to show the problem.