Madrassa reforms - Suggestions

[war&peace]

Madrassahs are inseparably linked with sectarianism. It was Saladin, who after overthrowing the Fatimids in the twelvth century, established "Madrassahs" in Egypt for the first time, for "sectarian" purposes ... The stated purpose was to "Convert Shias to Sunni Islam" .. The prestigious Al Azhar University was converted into a Shafi'ite Sunni center of learning by Saladin, and all books in the library were burnt ... .. A little knowledge of history is indeed very helpful in understanding the dynamics of sectarianism in Islam and the role played by "Madrassahs" ...

Sir,

We are not talking about their role but rather about reforming them. We should reform them and make compatible with modern education system and when that happens and the public schools system also gets reformed and upgraded to become more universal, both systems should be merged into a single system, rather all system in Pakistan should merge into the single official system.

 

[Zarvan]

what did I say which was wrong?

Wrong or right is not the question but that is not going to happen so better come up with suggestions

 

[Neutron]

JI is already working on integration of religious and modern education. Use thier model as state policy and hire thier education experts in board of directors of madrassa

 

[Zarvan]

Madrassahs are inseparably linked with sectarianism. It was Saladin, who after overthrowing the Fatimids in the twelvth century, established "Madrassahs" in Egypt for the first time, for "sectarian" purposes ... The stated purpose was to "Convert Shias to Sunni Islam" .. The prestigious Al Azhar University was converted into a Shafi'ite Sunni center of learning by Saladin, and all books in the library were burnt ... .. A little knowledge of history is indeed very helpful in understanding the dynamics of sectarianism in Islam and the role played by "Madrassahs" ...

Madrassas are doing great service to Islam and your thrash talk against Saladin is exposing you. Madrassas have done great service to Islam in past few centuries but yes some reforms are needed in them. Also the most basic change is big Madrassas need to introduce 12th standard education before Darse Nizami

 

[M. Sarmad]

Madrassah was a temporary or an alternative education system that was created by Muslims of subcontinent after the take over by Britishers and introduction of the Machiavellian education system that left no place for religious education especially Islamic education. Thus Muslim resorted to create a separate education system where their children could learn about the religion...

You are talking about Deoband Madrassah

The history of Madrassahs in India can be traced back to the establishment of the Delhi Sultanate in 1206 AD. Madrassahs were the source for supply of administrators and judges to the state. During those times the Madrassahs were devoid of any political agendas or ideologies.

The Deoband Madrassah system established in 1866 had two roles. Imparting religious education, and mobilizing Muslims politically

The effects of the revived Madrassah system's political ingredient were (and still are) far-reaching

 

[war&peace]

You are talking about Deoband Madrassah

The history of Madrassahs in India can be traced back to the establishment of the Delhi Sultanate in 1206 AD. Madrassahs were the source for supply of administrators and judges to the state. During those times the Madrassahs were devoid of any political agendas or ideologies.

The Deoband Madrassah system established in 1866 had two roles. Imparting religious education, and mobilizing Muslims politically

The effects of the revived Madrassah system's political ingredient were (and still are) far-reaching

Doebandi or not but yes I'm talking about the religious madrassah which was formed in the aftermaths of British take over and their banning of old education system of Muslim India. Thanks for the addition.

 

[Jf Thunder]

Wrong or right is not the question but that is not going to happen so better come up with suggestions

why do you separate the two fields of education? depriving a significant amount of population from Islamic education and the remaining from Scientific education?

 

[Zarvan]

why do you separate the two fields of education? depriving a significant amount of population from Islamic education and the remaining from Scientific education?

When you don't expect an engineer to become a doctor also same rule will apply here but yes we need to increasing basic knowledge of Islam in schools this current Islamiyat is not enough. In schools Islamiyat needs to increase along with separate subjects of translation of Quran and seerat and Hadees. As for Madrassahs they need to establish schools and colleges in which education upto 12th standard is given and after that a student should start dong Darse Nizami.

 

[Solomon2]

Some reforms are already underway. Here are other suggestions.

1. Establish federal madrassa board.

Suppose such a board has two dozen members. The Saudis can bribe each with $200,000 and then control the curriculum, yes?

Minister for madrassa affairs.

And maybe twice that plus an armored limo for the minister.

Educational and Recreational trip programmes.

What for? To what effect?

 

[Jf Thunder]

When you don't expect an engineer to become a doctor also same rule will apply here but yes we need to increasing basic knowledge of Islam in schools this current Islamiyat is not enough. In schools Islamiyat needs to increase along with separate subjects of translation of Quran and seerat and Hadees. As for Madrassahs they need to establish schools and colleges in which education upto 12th standard is given and after that a student should start dong Darse Nizami.

an Engineer has the basic knowledge of all sciences, same goes for a doctor, and at least every Muslim should have some basic knowledge of Islam, a single book of Islamiat is not enough.

 

[Zarvan]

an Engineer has the basic knowledge of all sciences, same goes for a doctor, and at least every Muslim should have some basic knowledge of Islam, a single book of Islamiat is not enough.

That I agree with that is why I am saying Madrassas need also build schools with them and they can design Islamic course which than could also be integrated in all Government and Private Schools. And Darse Nizami should only start after a student has done FA or FSC that would give him good basic knowledge of world and basic sciences and maths and other subjects. Also Madrassas should encourage there students to do also do BA and MA specially in subjects like economy and other related degrees.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Doebandi or not but yes I'm talking about the religious madrassah which was formed in the aftermaths of British take over and their banning of old education system of Muslim India. Thanks for the addition.

The Deobandi Movement was influenced by the Wahhabi movement of Arabia. They were not as much active against the British as they were against the Indian Islamic/Sufi traditions ... So much that Imam Ahmed Raza Khan had to launch a counter-movement (i.e. Barelvi Movement) to defend/protect Sufism and other Islamic traditions from the Deoband ideological onslaught. Barelvi Madrassahs were established in reaction to Deoband Madrassahs. Please read about the Fatwa Wars that took place between the two schools of thought in the late 19th and early twentieth century and You may realize that instead of preserving/imparting Islamic education or opposing the British, how these Madrassahs were busy spreading sectarianism among Indian Muslims. Madrassahs are inseparably linked with sectarianism. It's a Fact

 

[Khan_patriot]

Blow them up with C4 along with anyone who protests against such action.
Execute all mullahs raising their voices against the state afterwards.
These bastards have done wboigh harms to the country and the religion of Islam.

 

[war&peace]

The Deobandi Movement was influenced by the Wahhabi movement of Arabia. They were not as much active against the British as they were against the Indian Islamic/Sufi traditions ... So much that Imam Ahmed Raza Khan had to launch a counter-movement (i.e. Barelvi Movement) to defend/protect Sufism and other Islamic traditions from the Deoband ideological onslaught. Barelvi Madrassahs were established in reaction to Deoband Madrassahs. Please read about the Fatwa Wars that took place between the two schools of thought in the late 19th and early twentieth century and You may realize that instead of preserving/imparting Islamic education or opposing the British, how these Madrassahs were busy spreading sectarianism among Indian Muslims. Madrassahs are inseparably linked with sectarianism. It's a Fact

I agree with you sir and I have read something like that about both Deobandi and Brelvis and what you said is true.
But I'm afraid it may take discussion on tangent and start a sectarian arguments as some people who want to derail any serious discussion on pdf can exploit this. But I appreciate your contribution with history and facts.
Right now, what I believe is that the difference can be reconciled or at least we can learn to live side by side without hurting each other as productive members of the society.

 

[war&peace]

Blow them up with C4 along with anyone who protests against such action.

And how are you different than TTP then since they also say the same thing?
You are suggesting about killing millions of people [supporters] ?
So if a libtard suggests about killing millions openly and publicly it is OK and it is fine but if the religious extremists who plan to do the same but at much smaller scale are bad...