"Made in China" vs "Make in India": a Glimpse from Their Auto Industries

[dy1022]

Only Indians
They loved to make up lies to ease their bruised ego. They are hurt when forced to use superior Chinese product like the smartphone or computer they are accessing PDF. Making up lies and talk bad of others is the only way to vent out the frustration of the failure of their country.
In China, India is associate with open defecation, rape , Ganges filthy river and nothing. That is how low India is.

Virtually no made in India product in Chinese people's life. Their quality cannot match Chinese product or simply they don't know how to manufacture those things.

Add hunger,malnutrition, pollution, dirty,chaos and smelly, India is the most failure and backward nation in this world even worse than Sub-Saharan Africa!

 

[MULUBJA]

Why the World's Cheapest Car Flopped
https://www.wsj.com/articles/after-misfire-tata-prepares-more-stylish-nano-1381773306

Looks Indian to me. I don't want poo poo smell OK? No airbags again right? Have you seen Chinese cars btw before going into SUPA POWA mode?

It has not failed. Infact Indian's purchase power increased a lot and so they buy costly cars. Costly cars are big hit in India. Now TATA i making a higher versio of NANo like this.

How ever what about your BMW coppied car failed in crash test while Indian NANO successful in crash tes? This says a lot about chinese quality.

 

[The Eagle]

Disrespects, insults, provocation and mine is better than your contest need to be discontinued. Continue your discussion on topic with information sharing and for the interest of readers.

Regards

 

[Kai Liu]

It has not failed. Infact Indian's purchase power increased a lot and so they buy costly cars. Costly cars are big hit in India. Now TATA i making a higher versio of NANo like this.

How ever what about your BMW coppied car failed in crash test while Indian NANO successful in crash tes? This says a lot about chinese quality.

Please do not show these shitty midget "cars" again. We are not interested.. We have so many far better value for money cars here.
And please take a look at how many Audi, Benz, BMW are sold here in China: that is a combined annual sale of 1.6 million. Would you mind share your figure about how many "costly" cars have been sold in india??

https://www.best-selling-cars.com/i...year-china-worldwide-german-luxury-car-sales/

 

[Sully3]

It has not failed. Infact Indian's purchase power increased a lot and so they buy costly cars. Costly cars are big hit in India. Now TATA i making a higher versio of NANo like this.

Who in their right mind would risk their lives sitting in a TATA Nano?

looks like its a copy of the Mercedes Smart car but with Indian hardware and safety features.

They tried to see if there was a space in the market for it 6/7 years ago here in the UK when Tata bought Jaguar but got no excitement from the public and the idea was shelved. unsafe unreliable, indian manufactured you got to be a stupid to buy it.

Even the romanian car company Dacia out performed and sold Tata here in the UK

 

[GS Zhou]

TATA Naxon. Unbelievable car at unbelievable price.

A great 110 PS engine power produced from just 1200 cc engine. 3 driving modes (Sports, Economy, City) , key less start and entry, 10 speaker great music system, Touch screen and stearing mounted control, 2 airbag standard , ABS, EBD, starts with just 9000 USD ex show room. Nobody in the world can match its quality in a price they offer.

A car in such a price range (600k to 700k rupee, or 60k to 70k Chinese yuan), but with a weak powertrain (81kw engine, manual transmission), lack of basic safety features (ESP, TPMS/Tire Pressure Monitoring System, Cruise Control, etc. ), also a baby bodysize. That's a JOKE according to the Chinese standard, no Chinese brands dare to launch such a joke car in the Chinese market.

A quick comparison: Chery Tiggo3:
Basic feature: 93kw engine, with both MT and CVT (Continuously Variable Transmission) offerings.

Safety features table. Each column represents for a trim line. The price is given in Chinese Yuan (FYI: 1 CNY = 10.4 Rupee). I selected some of them and made the translation.

In case you don't understand the abbreviations I highlighted. Here is the fullname:
ESP: Electronic stability program
EBA: Emergency braking assistant
TCS: Traction Control System
HHC: Hill hold control
TPMS: Tire Pressure Monitoring System
LDW: Lane Departure Warning

Below are the price and safety feature tables of the Tata model that you feel very proud of. Make a comparison, and you will know why this Tata model is a JOKE according to Chinese brands cars

To be honest, Tata or other Indian brands, e.g. Mahindra, they should thank the God for the following two points:
- Indian people's ignorance to the competitiveness of the Chinese brands cars
- The high import tariff set by the Indian government: 60% to new car imports!!

 

[AndrewJin]

A car in such a price range (600k to 700k rupee, or 60k to 70k Chinese yuan), but with a weak powertrain (81kw engine, manual transmission), lack of basic safety features (ESP, TPMS/Tire Pressure Monitoring System, Cruise Control, etc. ), also a baby bodysize. That's a JOKE according to the Chinese standard, no Chinese brands dare to launch such a joke car in the Chinese market.

A quick comparison: Chery Tiggo3:
Basic feature: 93kw engine, with both MT and CVT (Continuously Variable Transmission) offerings.

Safety features table. Each column represents for a trim line. The price is given in Chinese Yuan (FYI: 1 CNY = 10.4 Rupee). I selected some of them and made the translation.
View attachment 435663

In case you don't understand the abbreviations I highlighted. Here is the fullname:
ESP: Electronic stability program
EBA: Emergency braking assistant
TCS: Traction Control System
HHC: Hill hold control
TPMS: Tire Pressure Monitoring System
LDW: Lane Departure Warning

Below are the price and safety feature tables of the Tata model that you feel very proud of. Make a comparison, and you will know why this Tata model is a JOKE according to Chinese brands cars

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To be honest, Tata or other Indian brands, e.g. Mahindra, they should thank the God for the following two points:
- Indian people's ignorance to the competitiveness of the Chinese brands cars
- The high import tariff set by the Indian government: 60% to new car imports!!

TATA cars are the best in the world
@Bussard Ramjet will agree.

One of problems with India is some Indians don't regard the rest of Indians Indian.

You r wrong.
All Indians are Indians.
All non Indians dream to be Indians

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

TATA cars are the best in the world
@Bussard Ramjet will agree.

Well seeing that Tata owns jaguar and produces premium luxury vehicles, a case can be made.

 

[MULUBJA]

A car in such a price range (600k to 700k rupee, or 60k to 70k Chinese yuan), but with a weak powertrain (81kw engine, manual transmission), lack of basic safety features (ESP, TPMS/Tire Pressure Monitoring System, Cruise Control, etc. ), also a baby bodysize. That's a JOKE according to the Chinese standard, no Chinese brands dare to launch such a joke car in the Chinese market.

A quick comparison: Chery Tiggo3:
Basic feature: 93kw engine, with both MT and CVT (Continuously Variable Transmission) offerings.

Safety features table. Each column represents for a trim line. The price is given in Chinese Yuan (FYI: 1 CNY = 10.4 Rupee). I selected some of them and made the translation.
View attachment 435663

In case you don't understand the abbreviations I highlighted. Here is the fullname:
ESP: Electronic stability program
EBA: Emergency braking assistant
TCS: Traction Control System
HHC: Hill hold control
TPMS: Tire Pressure Monitoring System
LDW: Lane Departure Warning

Below are the price and safety feature tables of the Tata model that you feel very proud of. Make a comparison, and you will know why this Tata model is a JOKE according to Chinese brands cars

View attachment 435667

View attachment 435668
To be honest, Tata or other Indian brands, e.g. Mahindra, they should thank the God for the following two points:
- Indian people's ignorance to the competitiveness of the Chinese brands cars
- The high import tariff set by the Indian government: 60% to new car imports!!

You are ranked 20th in car export inspite being No 1 car producer in the world. This speaks a lot about quality of your cars.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_car_exports

Your export of cars is just 3% of Germany.

You leg behind India in car numbers of cars exported inspite of being such a big car producing country. You are good at making pencil cells only. DO not try so hard in car market. People know your quality.

 

[Han Patriot]

And we prove that in DOKLAM by humiliating paper Dragon China. What they could is issue hundreds of warning before withdrawal.

Sure sure, you humiliate us by withdrawing and letting us occupy it right?

A car in such a price range (600k to 700k rupee, or 60k to 70k Chinese yuan), but with a weak powertrain (81kw engine, manual transmission), lack of basic safety features (ESP, TPMS/Tire Pressure Monitoring System, Cruise Control, etc. ), also a baby bodysize. That's a JOKE according to the Chinese standard, no Chinese brands dare to launch such a joke car in the Chinese market.

A quick comparison: Chery Tiggo3:
Basic feature: 93kw engine, with both MT and CVT (Continuously Variable Transmission) offerings.

Safety features table. Each column represents for a trim line. The price is given in Chinese Yuan (FYI: 1 CNY = 10.4 Rupee). I selected some of them and made the translation.
View attachment 435663

In case you don't understand the abbreviations I highlighted. Here is the fullname:
ESP: Electronic stability program
EBA: Emergency braking assistant
TCS: Traction Control System
HHC: Hill hold control
TPMS: Tire Pressure Monitoring System
LDW: Lane Departure Warning

Below are the price and safety feature tables of the Tata model that you feel very proud of. Make a comparison, and you will know why this Tata model is a JOKE according to Chinese brands cars

View attachment 435667

View attachment 435668
To be honest, Tata or other Indian brands, e.g. Mahindra, they should thank the God for the following two points:
- Indian people's ignorance to the competitiveness of the Chinese brands cars
- The high import tariff set by the Indian government: 60% to new car imports!!

If our cars have level playing field, TATA would be toasted in India.

 

[GS Zhou]

Ya Indian people are ignorant so as the people of whole world and that is why they do not touch your junk cars inspite of you being biggest car producer but legs behind many countries in export.

You are ranked 20th in car export inspite being No 1 car producer in the world. This speaks a lot about quality of your cars.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_car_exports

Your export of cars is just 3% of Germany.

You leg behind India in car numbers of cars exported inspite of being such a big car producing country. You are good at making pencil cells only. DO not try so hard in car market. People know your quality.

Now please do not copy our cars like our bykes. Its my humble request.

The export gap is there. I fully agree with. The good news is the Chinese automobile industry export is growing very rapidly.

The auto exports of China in Q1 to Q3 2017 reaches 623k units, yoy growth 26.3%.
http://www.caam.org.cn/xiehuidongtai/20171012/1505212259.html

汽车出口同比呈现高速增长
　　9月汽车企业出口8.3万辆，比上月增长13%，比上年同期增长38.9%，同比呈现高速增长态势。分车型情况看，当月乘用车出口6.1万辆，比上年同期增长45.5%；商用车出口2.2万辆，比上年同期增长4.2%。
　　1-9月，汽车企业出口62.3万辆，比同期增长26.3%，增速比1-8月提高1.7个百分点。分车型看，乘用车出口43.4万辆，比上年同期增长35.6%；商用车出口18.8辆，比上年同期增长9%。

Regarding the Chinese cars, how about take a read at the article from Mckinsey, the best consulting company on the world.

Mckinsey says:
- Chinese domestic brands as a group increased their share of the passenger-vehicle market to 38 percent in 2016, from 32 percent in 2014, a huge feat when the market itself was undergoing double-digit yearly growth.

- What’s more, they (the Chinese domestic brands) captured this growth from global automakers of nearly every nationality, not from a single segment of weak players.

- The increasing competence of local brands constitutes an urgent warning to Western OEMs.

https://www.mckinsey.com/industries...hts/riding-chinas-huge-high-flying-car-market

 

[Kai Liu]

The export gap is there. I fully agree with. The good news is the Chinese automobile industry export is growing very rapidly.

The auto exports of China in Q1 to Q3 2017 reaches 623k units, yoy growth 26.3%.
http://www.caam.org.cn/xiehuidongtai/20171012/1505212259.html

汽车出口同比呈现高速增长
　　9月汽车企业出口8.3万辆，比上月增长13%，比上年同期增长38.9%，同比呈现高速增长态势。分车型情况看，当月乘用车出口6.1万辆，比上年同期增长45.5%；商用车出口2.2万辆，比上年同期增长4.2%。
　　1-9月，汽车企业出口62.3万辆，比同期增长26.3%，增速比1-8月提高1.7个百分点。分车型看，乘用车出口43.4万辆，比上年同期增长35.6%；商用车出口18.8辆，比上年同期增长9%。

Regarding the Chinese cars, how about take a read at the article from Mckinsey, the best consulting company on the world.

Mckinsey says:
- Chinese domestic brands as a group increased their share of the passenger-vehicle market to 38 percent in 2016, from 32 percent in 2014, a huge feat when the market itself was undergoing double-digit yearly growth.

- What’s more, they (the Chinese domestic brands) captured this growth from global automakers of nearly every nationality, not from a single segment of weak players.

- The increasing competence of local brands constitutes an urgent warning to Western OEMs.

https://www.mckinsey.com/industries...hts/riding-chinas-huge-high-flying-car-market

What they have exported are virtually all foreign brand so-called "cars". Their indigenous brand are nothing.. 90% of our exports are from our own brand.. I will add the data.

http://chinaautoweb.com/2013/02/top-15-chinese-auto-exporters-in-2012/

https://auto.economictimes.indiatim...nd-suvs-exporters-from-india-in-2016/56584637

Ya Indian people are ignorant so as the people of whole world and that is why they do not touch your junk cars inspite of you being biggest car producer but legs behind many countries in export.

You are ranked 20th in car export inspite being No 1 car producer in the world. This speaks a lot about quality of your cars.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_car_exports

Your export of cars is just 3% of Germany.

You leg behind India in car numbers of cars exported inspite of being such a big car producing country. You are good at making pencil cells only. DO not try so hard in car market. People know your quality.

Now please do not copy our cars like our bykes. Its my humble request.

BTW, what the hell do you think auto exports are related to car quality? Prove it. And you haven't answer my inquiry yet, how many "costly" cars are sold in your country?? As BMW, BENZ, AUDI sold 1.6 million per year here in China. Our people are so thirsty to buy cars including the most luxury ones, why should we export? Be logic, think about it!

 

[Kai Liu]

A car in such a price range (600k to 700k rupee, or 60k to 70k Chinese yuan), but with a weak powertrain (81kw engine, manual transmission), lack of basic safety features (ESP, TPMS/Tire Pressure Monitoring System, Cruise Control, etc. ), also a baby bodysize. That's a JOKE according to the Chinese standard, no Chinese brands dare to launch such a joke car in the Chinese market.

A quick comparison: Chery Tiggo3:
Basic feature: 93kw engine, with both MT and CVT (Continuously Variable Transmission) offerings.

Safety features table. Each column represents for a trim line. The price is given in Chinese Yuan (FYI: 1 CNY = 10.4 Rupee). I selected some of them and made the translation.
View attachment 435663

In case you don't understand the abbreviations I highlighted. Here is the fullname:
ESP: Electronic stability program
EBA: Emergency braking assistant
TCS: Traction Control System
HHC: Hill hold control
TPMS: Tire Pressure Monitoring System
LDW: Lane Departure Warning

Below are the price and safety feature tables of the Tata model that you feel very proud of. Make a comparison, and you will know why this Tata model is a JOKE according to Chinese brands cars

View attachment 435667

View attachment 435668
To be honest, Tata or other Indian brands, e.g. Mahindra, they should thank the God for the following two points:
- Indian people's ignorance to the competitiveness of the Chinese brands cars
- The high import tariff set by the Indian government: 60% to new car imports!!

Too bad our market are so competitive. High CP value cars like the following one sells so bad, actually people here hardly take a notice on these cars.

This compact SUV cost less than 9000 USD, 4501*1820*1648 in size, 2600mm wheel base, ABS, EBD, air bags, LED day-time light, those indian standard luxury features all included. lol . disk brake, central lock, and most importantly, POWER WINDOWS of course oh God, I keep talking about these things, but even these most basic things they all lack of...
https://car.autohome.com.cn/config/series/4226.html

And then lets take a look at this unbelievable Tata :

 

[Han Patriot]

Too bad our market are so competitive. High CP value cars like the following one sells so bad, actually people here hardly take a notice on these cars. While a little midget shitty car don't even have power windows are boasted by a indian ignorant well frog to be the "unbelievable price" ,lol...
This compact SUV cost less than 9000 USD, 4501*1820*1648 in size, 2600mm wheel base, ABS, EBD, air bags, LED day-time light, those indian standard luxury features all included. lol . disk brake, central lock, and most importantly, POWER WINDOWS of course oh God, I keep talking about these things, but even these most basic things they all lack of...
https://car.autohome.com.cn/config/series/4226.html

And then lets take a look at this unbelievable Tata shxt:
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Power Windows: Front Only.. Hahahahahaahha!

You must be kidding me, only front power windows? What age are these Indians living in? Nobody would buy your cars if they are no power windows in China. No central locking? Wow....

Btw, alot of India cars use Chinese auto components, we sell them in the billions.
http://www.business-standard.com/ar...-first-fall-after-5-years-116061700367_1.html

China is the leading exporter of components to India, no Chinese automobile company has a manufacturing base here. At $3.2 bn, China accounts for 23 per cent of component import. "Rising import is a matter of concern, though it shows that domestic consumption is growing," said Vinnie Mehta, director-general at the Association.

 

[GS Zhou]

Power Windows: Front Only.

oppps... this is 2017, not 1987 or 1997. Why the new car today still have the window up and low be manually-controlled??

BYD F0, ~$5,500 in price, But even BYD F0 has the power windows for both front and rear row.
http://www.bydauto.com.cn/car-param-f0.html