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Russians reluctantly embrace Chinese cars after Western brands depart

MG and Haval SUV and cars have sold thousands and thousands of Cars in Australia last year and this year because of fantastic products of high quality and reasonable prices these companies offer. But his arse @Hamartia Antidote wants you to believe as if you are buying Chinese cars from some street beggars. By the way there is an EXPLOSION OF BEGGARS IN USA. Maybe these beggars should surround @Hamartia Antidote and ask for some money from his greedy arse. :lol:
 
There is no way a major Chinese carmaker is going to be allowed to gain traction in this political environment. That’s probably why most have been extremely cautious about even investing in trying to enter the US market.
The US market is extremely advanced. You need to provide a product that is of high quality, reliable, has the supply chain to support warranty and parts AND be cheaper than the established players.
Chinese brands have none of those things.
It took Hyundai/Kia almost 30 years to build its reputation to the pint where it is no longer the butt end of jokes, and the only reason they were able to do it was to provide a higher quality product than the established players for a cheaper price.
 
The US market is extremely advanced. You need to provide a product that is of high quality, reliable, has the supply chain to support warranty and parts AND be cheaper than the established players.
Chinese brands have none of those things.
It took Hyundai/Kia almost 30 years to build its reputation to the pint where it is no longer the butt end of jokes, and the only reason they were able to do it was to provide a higher quality product than the established players for a cheaper price.
Again you shouldn’t speak about what you are completely ignorant about. This may have been correct ten years ago, not now. China is actually the central market of where the most advanced EV competition is taking place and domestic Chinese brands offer the most diverse lineup of well built and designed EVs rivaling Tesla. Therefore you are wrong if you think that the US has the most competitive auto market, China does. And it isn’t even close. China has all of the worlds major automakers dueling it out along with scores of massive domestic automakers who have built huge and diverse EV lineups that the west has not even seen yet. There are tons of cars from both Chinese brands and western brands that you will see in China that you wouldn’t even hear about in the US. On top of that China’s market and production simply dwarfs the US.

Again you show yourself to be completely clueless. Why don’t you actually learn real facts before embarrassing yourself?




 
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Currently USA is not allowed Boeing to sell its aircraft to China they already have big market in rest of Asia/Europe and somehow Africa so that will not hurt USA much if China ban Boeing aircraft to China
Airbus to deliver 800 in 2018
Boeing delivered 806 in 2018
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MG and Haval SUV and cars have sold thousands and thousands of Cars in Australia last year and this year because of fantastic products of high quality and reasonable prices these companies offer. But his arse @Hamartia Antidote wants you to believe as if you are buying Chinese cars from some street beggars. By the way there is an EXPLOSION OF BEGGARS IN USA. Maybe these beggars should surround @Hamartia Antidote and ask for some money from his greedy arse. :lol:

Yeah, Haval started selling cars in Australia in 2015.

I suppose you think they jumped to the top from the get-go? Nope!!!!! Look

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That's a LONG time to get brand recognition. Not surprising at all.

MG did much better because they are a known British brand..but still it took years to get anywhere.
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MOSCOW, March 24 (Reuters) - As the exodus of Western carmakers narrows options for Russian consumers, Chinese automakers are filling the gap, forcing Russians to overcome their reluctance to embrace Chinese brands and stomach higher prices.

Chinese brands such as Haval (601633.SS), Chery and Geely (0175.HK) now account for almost 40% of Russia's new car sales, data from analytical agency Autostat and consulting company PPK showed, up from less than 10% in January-February of 2022, pouncing on the opportunity left by the exit of firms such as Renault (RENA.PA), Nissan (7201.T) and Mercedes (MBGn.DE).

But there are teething problems. Reuters spoke to several Russian car buyers - individuals and dealerships - who perceived the quality of some Chinese cars to be lower than Western rivals and industry experts said Chinese manufacturers needed to enhance their reputation even as their market share soars.

Stepan, 28, who has increasingly driven Chinese cars when using carsharing services, is among those that need convincing. Among his complaints was the smoothness of the drive.

"I managed to buy a Skoda in 2022. If you want my honest opinion, the difference (with Chinese cars) is massive," he told Reuters at Moscow's Favorit Motors dealership.

Czech carmaker Skoda Auto, part of Volkswagen Group (VOWG_p.DE) and one of several Western automakers that had local car production, is in the final stages of a deal to sell its Russian assets in the wake of Western sanctions after Moscow despatched troops to Ukraine last February.

When buying his new Chinese car, Alexander, 74, looked for one which encompassed Swedish technology.

"I believe that in time the reliability will improve," he said. "For example, I know that (Geely) Tugella has a Volvo engine. This sold this car for me."

Russia's former president Dmitry Medvedev said on Friday after a visit to China in December that cooperation with Chinese manufacturers was good and consumers' perceptions were out of date.

"We used to laugh at some of their designs, but I went for a ride in a local car and looked at others," he said. "I'll say bluntly: the car I drove was certainly no worse than a Mercedes."

COMPETITION DRIES UP​


Most Western automakers, who have fought with domestic carmakers for market share since they began building factories in Russia in the early 2000s, ceased operations last spring.

"We've lived our whole lives focused on European, Japanese, American brands and did not especially take the Chinese market into account, which...has developed at an incredible rate," said Vladimir Shestak, general director of Altair-Auto in Vladivostok, whose dealership specialises in the Mercedes-Benz and Geely brands.

Though the majority of foreign firms have exited Russia or are in the process of leaving, lingering stocks and parallel imports mean some companies' cars remain on sale for now.

Domestic producer Avtovaz's Lada brand is Russia's most popular. Renault, through its former controlling stake in Avtovaz, had the highest market share among foreign producers before Russia began what it calls its "special military operation" in Ukraine.

While Chinese cars are increasingly filling the gap, the lack of reputation remains an issue, said auto industry expert Sergey Aslanyan.

"Yes, they have almost no competitors here anymore," he said. "But that does not mean that people will change their opinion quickly."

Chinese brands' market share reached 37.15% in January-February, up from 9.48% a year earlier, Autostat and PPK data showed. Sales of departing European, Japanese and Korean brands were down to 22.6% from 70%.

The sharp swing comes, however, amid plummeting sales of new cars, which slumped 58.8% in 2022 as lower living standards and a desire for Western-made vehicles caused people to reduce their spending and purchase more used cars.

In a sign of growing cooperation China's Haval is now producing cars locally, while in Moscow, the revived Soviet-era Moskvich is using engine parts, design and engineering from China's JAC.

But another gripe for consumers is the price. Even Medvedev said the Moskvich's price looked a little high. The model 3 costs around 2 million roubles ($26,195). Prices for the Lada Granta, Russia's most widely sold car, start at around 680,000 roubles.

"(The Chinese) are bringing in a lot of cars but if we talk about price, not quality, there are no cheap cars at all," said Maxim Kadakov, editor in chief of the "Behind the Wheel" magazine.

($1 = 76.3500 roubles)


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It is only about perception which is based on past experience. Let them drive the Chinese cars for 1 or 2 years and let see how they will perceive about Chinese cars :)

The same here in Indonesia, before Chinese cars has bad perception, but recently it start to change after Wuling enter the market since 4 to 5 years ago.
 

MOSCOW, March 24 (Reuters) - As the exodus of Western carmakers narrows options for Russian consumers, Chinese automakers are filling the gap, forcing Russians to overcome their reluctance to embrace Chinese brands and stomach higher prices.

Chinese brands such as Haval (601633.SS), Chery and Geely (0175.HK) now account for almost 40% of Russia's new car sales, data from analytical agency Autostat and consulting company PPK showed, up from less than 10% in January-February of 2022, pouncing on the opportunity left by the exit of firms such as Renault (RENA.PA), Nissan (7201.T) and Mercedes (MBGn.DE).

But there are teething problems. Reuters spoke to several Russian car buyers - individuals and dealerships - who perceived the quality of some Chinese cars to be lower than Western rivals and industry experts said Chinese manufacturers needed to enhance their reputation even as their market share soars.

Stepan, 28, who has increasingly driven Chinese cars when using carsharing services, is among those that need convincing. Among his complaints was the smoothness of the drive.

"I managed to buy a Skoda in 2022. If you want my honest opinion, the difference (with Chinese cars) is massive," he told Reuters at Moscow's Favorit Motors dealership.

Czech carmaker Skoda Auto, part of Volkswagen Group (VOWG_p.DE) and one of several Western automakers that had local car production, is in the final stages of a deal to sell its Russian assets in the wake of Western sanctions after Moscow despatched troops to Ukraine last February.

When buying his new Chinese car, Alexander, 74, looked for one which encompassed Swedish technology.

"I believe that in time the reliability will improve," he said. "For example, I know that (Geely) Tugella has a Volvo engine. This sold this car for me."

Russia's former president Dmitry Medvedev said on Friday after a visit to China in December that cooperation with Chinese manufacturers was good and consumers' perceptions were out of date.

"We used to laugh at some of their designs, but I went for a ride in a local car and looked at others," he said. "I'll say bluntly: the car I drove was certainly no worse than a Mercedes."

COMPETITION DRIES UP​


Most Western automakers, who have fought with domestic carmakers for market share since they began building factories in Russia in the early 2000s, ceased operations last spring.

"We've lived our whole lives focused on European, Japanese, American brands and did not especially take the Chinese market into account, which...has developed at an incredible rate," said Vladimir Shestak, general director of Altair-Auto in Vladivostok, whose dealership specialises in the Mercedes-Benz and Geely brands.

Though the majority of foreign firms have exited Russia or are in the process of leaving, lingering stocks and parallel imports mean some companies' cars remain on sale for now.

Domestic producer Avtovaz's Lada brand is Russia's most popular. Renault, through its former controlling stake in Avtovaz, had the highest market share among foreign producers before Russia began what it calls its "special military operation" in Ukraine.

While Chinese cars are increasingly filling the gap, the lack of reputation remains an issue, said auto industry expert Sergey Aslanyan.

"Yes, they have almost no competitors here anymore," he said. "But that does not mean that people will change their opinion quickly."

Chinese brands' market share reached 37.15% in January-February, up from 9.48% a year earlier, Autostat and PPK data showed. Sales of departing European, Japanese and Korean brands were down to 22.6% from 70%.

The sharp swing comes, however, amid plummeting sales of new cars, which slumped 58.8% in 2022 as lower living standards and a desire for Western-made vehicles caused people to reduce their spending and purchase more used cars.

In a sign of growing cooperation China's Haval is now producing cars locally, while in Moscow, the revived Soviet-era Moskvich is using engine parts, design and engineering from China's JAC.

But another gripe for consumers is the price. Even Medvedev said the Moskvich's price looked a little high. The model 3 costs around 2 million roubles ($26,195). Prices for the Lada Granta, Russia's most widely sold car, start at around 680,000 roubles.

"(The Chinese) are bringing in a lot of cars but if we talk about price, not quality, there are no cheap cars at all," said Maxim Kadakov, editor in chief of the "Behind the Wheel" magazine.

($1 = 76.3500 roubles)


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It is only about perception which is based on past experience. Let them drive the Chinese cars for 1 or 2 years and let see how they will perceive about Chinese cars :)

The same here in Indonesia, before Chinese cars has bad perception, but recently it start to change after Wuling enter the market since 4 to 5 years ago.

Exactly, it isn't going to happen overnight.
Right now they are pretty much forced to buy them..which should accelerate things.
 
The US market is extremely advanced. You need to provide a product that is of high quality, reliable, has the supply chain to support warranty and parts AND be cheaper than the established players.
Chinese brands have none of those things.
It took Hyundai/Kia almost 30 years to build its reputation to the pint where it is no longer the butt end of jokes, and the only reason they were able to do it was to provide a higher quality product than the established players for a cheaper price.
Different from the US market. The Chinese market is very advanced and picky. If your goods are of low quality, you cannot enter the Chinese market.... That's why we rarely see American cars in China. of course. Maybe some terrorist training camps will like American cars.

Considering that Chinese people are very picky about the quality of cars. If you want to enter the Chinese market. You can only let your dads provide quality and lower prices.
 
Different from the US market. The Chinese market is very advanced and picky. If your goods are of low quality, you cannot enter the Chinese market....


That's why we rarely see American cars in China.

LOL! 2022 was a bad year for GM but...

2022 Sales by Brand
  • Cadillac had sales of over 194,000 units in 2022. Demand for the CT5 luxury sedan remained strong, up 8.7% from a year earlier, sustaining its position as the brand’s top-selling model. The LYRIQ, which started deliveries in September, has been gaining in customer popularity.
  • Buick deliveries exceeded 644,000 units, led by the robust demand for its premium models. The Envision Plus midsize SUV had three-fold sales growth on an annual basis. The CENTURY flagship MPV was introduced to solidify the brand’s longstanding leadership in the segment. The VELITE NEV family also posted strong growth, with sales surging 73% year over year.
  • Chevrolet had deliveries of about 200,000 units last year. The brand continued to bolster its SUV offensive through the introduction of the all-new Seeker and Tracker RS. Sales of the Menlo EV more than doubled from a year earlier.
In 2022, Tesla delivered 439,770 vehicles in China, up 37.11 percent from 320,743 vehicles in 2021.

Look at which car was the #5 best selling car overall in China in 2022..not just EV's
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Both the Tesla Model Y and Model 3 make it into the top selling EV list.
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The real story is the west is willingly giving up its market because of its stupid politics. Regardless of how good Chinese cars are the west is kneecapping itself on purpose, that’s the stupid part. But nice attempt at spin though.
 
Chinese cars dominate Russian market for decades to come. Russians will never buy a car from a Russia hater country.
 
The real story is the west is willingly giving up its market because of its stupid politics.

I'm sure Russia will thrive just the same as Israel even with both having hater countries in the East and West. All those dumb countries not trading with them due to stupidness.
 
You’re not living in 2023, you’re pulling videos from 1995. Today Chinese EVs are among the best in the world and there is such a massive diversity of brands. They will likely dominate the world within ten years.
I doubt Chinese EV is "THE BEST" in the world out there, the best bang for their buck maybe, but absolutely not the best, the best would be either Merc EQ or Audi e-Tron. But that's reserved for people who had 100G or more.

If you can fork out around 50K, then you will most likely goes with Tesla, Chinese EV are for those who can't afford a toyota Camry but wanted to drive a EV, well, at least it is what Chinese EV here in Australia.

And I doubt Chinese EV car can dominate the world in the next 10 years, it's lucky if they get to equal share to the Tesla or the like Dominate would mean at least 50% of the world EV are from China, which I very much doubt they can achieve that in just 10 years.
 
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