M1a2 is best tank of the world ?

[blackuday]

this is T72 and the IS fake picture. I know some Israelis, they do not know to lie ! but you....!

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/busted-isis-pretends-destroy-syrian-t-90-tank-blowing-tank/

 

[LeGenD]

No T-90 destroyed, I recall being destroyed in Syria. All of them just hurt the average, but the Abram was destroyed in Iraq, Yemen

vs

You can find out information about Saudi M1A2 and M1 Abram of Iraq being destroyed in Iraq and Yemen

http://www.chinatopix.com/articles/...-tanks-russian-iranian-anti-tank-missiles.htm

https://www.janes.com/article/39550/iraqi-abrams-losses-revealed

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...-ditches-u-s-m1-abrams-for-russian-t-90-tanks

https://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htarm/20160827.aspx

https://www.govexec.com/contracting/2016/08/saudi-losses-yemen-war-exposed-us-tank-deal/130632/

US have a policy to destroy any M1 Abrams MBT if it falls into the hands of enemies. Scores were taken out by airstrikes.

You need to distinguish propaganda from facts.

 

[DavidSling]

this is T72 and the IS fake picture

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/busted-isis-pretends-destroy-syrian-t-90-tank-blowing-tank/

I see, I'll remove my post then

this is T72 and the IS fake picture. I know some Jews, they do not know to lie ! but you....!

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/busted-isis-pretends-destroy-syrian-t-90-tank-blowing-tank/

Well now, that's just racism

@waz

 

[blackuday]

US have a policy to destroy any M1 Abrams MBT if it falls into the hands of enemies. Scores were taken out by airstrikes.

You need to distinguish propaganda from facts.

Any video demonstrating these Abrams destroyed being by airstrike? All is just sophistry, proof where?

The United States has not destroyed the body of the F-117 or Stealth Black Hawk, it fell into the hands of China do you know this?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jan/23/china-stealth-fighter-us-technology

https://theaviationist.com/2013/09/03/china-z-20/

M1A1/A2 capture by IS and Houthi, Where is the US Air Force?

Saudi Arabia = M1A2
Kuwait = M1A2
Egypt = M1A1
Iraq= M1A1
Australia = M1A1

In 2008, Saudi Arabia awarded a $58m contract to GDLS to design, develop, convert, implement and test a hybrid configuration of the M1A1, M1A2 and M1A2 SEP tank variants. The work is expected to be complete in March 2012.
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product2936.html

The Saudi M1A2S is the equivalent of the M1A2 SEP armor that the US military is using. If you deny this ! Please point out the difference?

 

[LeGenD]

Any video demonstrating these Abrams destroyed being by airstrike? All is just sophistry, proof where?

Do you think they will show you videos of destroying their own MBT which fell into wrong hands?

These airstrikes are hinted in sources close to US military:

"The Islamic State captured several M1s, compelling U.S. warplanes to target them in air strikes."

https://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/americas-enemies-have-been-running-around-the-desert-in-1823602893
https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/03/0...tia-hands-in-iraq-sparks-assistance-standoff/

Nevertheless, it is possible for an ATGM to penetrate an M1 Abrams MBT but it is designed in such a manner that the crew have made out alive in most instances.

In 2008, Saudi Arabia awarded a $58m contract to GDLS to design, develop, convert, implement and test a hybrid configuration of the M1A1, M1A2 and M1A2 SEP tank variants. The work is expected to be complete in March 2012.
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product2936.html

The Saudi M1A2S is the equivalent of the M1A2 SEP armor that the US military is using. If you deny this ! Please point out the difference?

Export variants of M1A1/M1A2 do not feature special Depleted Uranium Armor for enhanced protection. This mesh is exclusive to American variants only.

M1A1/A2 capture by IS and Houthi, Where is the US Air Force?

They were taken out during US-led operations against ISIS.

The United States has not destroyed the body of the F-117 or Stealth Black Hawk, it fell into the hands of China do you know this?

When an AAD shoots down an aircraft, what is their to destroy?

 

[Reichsmarschall]

Arjun MBT is the best tank in World

 

[blackuday]

Do you think they will show you videos of destroying their own MBT which fell into wrong hands?

These airstrikes are hinted in sources close to US military:

"The Islamic State captured several M1s, compelling U.S. warplanes to target them in air strikes."

https://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/americas-enemies-have-been-running-around-the-desert-in-1823602893
https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/03/0...tia-hands-in-iraq-sparks-assistance-standoff/

Another reality is that export variants of M1A1/M1A2 do not feature special Depleted Uranium Armor for enhanced protection. This mesh is exclusive to American variants only.

Nevertheless, it is possible for an ATGM to penetrate an M1 Abrams MBT but it is designed in such a manner that the crew have made out alive in most instances.


When an AAD shoots down an aircraft, what is there to destroy?

Time to stop to lie

The M1A2 SEP is builds on the digitized M1A2 platform with an improved armor package of third generation steel-encased depleted uranium armor
https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/digital-abrams-the-m1a2-sep-program-updated-02834/

In 2008, Saudi Arabia awarded a $58m contract to GDLS to design, develop, convert, implement and test a hybrid configuration of the M1A1, M1A2 and M1A2 SEP tank variants. The work is expected to be complete in March 2012.
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product2936.html

And last but not least is the text, no video evidence? The US has always insisted on video of their military record, while their fanboys have absolutely nothing!

Again
M1A1/A2 capture by IS and Houthi, Where is the US Air Force?

 

[LeGenD]

Time to stop to lie

In 2008, Saudi Arabia awarded a $58m contract to GDLS to design, develop, convert, implement and test a hybrid configuration of the M1A1, M1A2 and M1A2 SEP tank variants. The work is expected to be complete in March 2012.
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product2936.html

And last but not least is the text, no video evidence? The US has always insisted on video of their military record, while their fanboys have absolutely nothing!

Again
M1A1/A2 capture by IS and Houthi, Where is the US Air Force?

I am not lying but pointing out some facts which I have learned over the course of years.

I have addressed your arguments in my previous response. Pay heed to them.

 

[My-Analogous]

Here shooting tests during Greek trials.

2000 m day time

"Abrams M1A2" - 17 out of 20;
"Leclerc" - 20 out of 20;
"Leopard 2A5" - 19 out of 20;
T-80U - 11 out of 20

1500 m at night

"Abrams M1A2" - 20 out of 20;
"Leclerc" - 19 out of 20;
"Leopard 2A5" - 20 out of 20;
T-80U - 13 out of 20



The only tanks the world equipped with active protection systems are Israeli Merkava and US Abrams (both with Trophy). T-14 is experimental and not clear if its APS even exists.

T14 is not experimental tank but it is in production and 20 is already build out of planned 100 (due to expensive tank they reduce the nos)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-14_Armata
Plus Leopard is clear winner here

 

[blackuday]

I am not lying but pointing out some facts which I have learned over the course of years.

I have addressed your arguments in my previous response. Pay heed to them.

Read again Abram's fanboys

The M1A2 SEP is builds on the digitized M1A2 platform with an improved armor package of third generation steel-encased depleted uranium armor
https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/digital-abrams-the-m1a2-sep-program-updated-02834/

In 2008, Saudi Arabia awarded a $58m contract to GDLS to design, develop, convert, implement and test a hybrid configuration of the M1A1, M1A2 and M1A2 SEP tank variants. The work is expected to be complete in March 2012.
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product2936.html

Saudi's M1A2S is still destroyed by Soviet era weapons

 

[LeGenD]

Read again Abram's fanboys

The M1A2 SEP is builds on the digitized M1A2 platform with an improved armor package of third generation steel-encased depleted uranium armor
https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/digital-abrams-the-m1a2-sep-program-updated-02834/

In 2008, Saudi Arabia awarded a $58m contract to GDLS to design, develop, convert, implement and test a hybrid configuration of the M1A1, M1A2 and M1A2 SEP tank variants. The work is expected to be complete in March 2012.
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product2936.html

Export variants of M1 Abrams do not feature Depleted Uranium Armor mesh, period.

"Export Abrams are not provided with the depleted uranium armor."

http://www.deagel.com/Armored-Vehicles/M1A2-Abrams_a000516003.aspx

"Composite armor reinforced with Chobham RHA (depleted uranium mesh armor was not exported)"

https://militaryedge.org/armaments/m1a1-abrams/

 

[blackuday]

Export variants of M1 Abrams do not feature Depleted Uranium Armor mesh, period.

"Export Abrams are not provided with the depleted uranium armor."

http://www.deagel.com/Armored-Vehicles/M1A2-Abrams_a000516003.aspx

"Composite armor reinforced with Chobham RHA (depleted uranium mesh armor was not exported)"

https://militaryedge.org/armaments/m1a1-abrams/

Does not have a formal confirmation?!

The F-15 for Saudi is better configured than USAF's F-15E. The M1A2 SEP certainly does not have as much technology to hide the secret as the F-15

https://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/this-is-a-fully-armed-f-15sa-the-most-advanced-product-1715732294

Saudi is a fastidious and wealthy consumer, spending more on military than Russia and India, US military contractors are not fooling themselves to export a lower version to them.

M1A2S Saudi tank program
The main advantages of the M1A2S tank program are that the RSLF are using its existing M1A2 tank fleet and equipping it with an improved hunter/killer capability with second-generation FLIR. Additionally, the M1A2S will reduce operation and support costs, continue to utilize U.S. logistics systems when required, and will maintain a high degree of commonality with the US fleet. GDLS would design, develop, convert, implement and test a hybrid configuration of the M1A1, M1A2 and M1A2 System Enhancement Package (SEP) tank variants for the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. The vehicles would possess defined capabilities that increase lethality while limiting obsolescence.

https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/m1a2s.htm

I have said from the beginning, Saudi is operating M1A2 SEP equivalent to the US Army. The depleted uranium armor is just a legend, similar to the RCS of the F-22, the M1A1 / A2 is still equipped with the DU Armor and still destroyed in Iraq in the years 2003-2006.

Have any videos tested M1A2 SEP V1 / V2 armor with ATGM like TOW 2B?

 

[LeGenD]

@gambit

Need your input in pointing out the fact that US doesn't export certain things/technologies to customers.

 

[blackuday]

@gambit

Need your input in pointing out the fact that US doesn't export certain things/technologies to customers.

stop lie. Do not try to prove yourself understanding...I see you fabricate a lot

A wealthy country like Saudi Arabia is not stupid enough to use a poorly-developed export. they have a better F-15 version than the USAF's F-15, and you say they use weakness tank than US Army tanks?

M1A2S Saudi tank program
The main advantages of the M1A2S tank program are that the RSLF are using its existing M1A2 tank fleet and equipping it with an improved hunter/killer capability with second-generation FLIR. Additionally, the M1A2S will reduce operation and support costs, continue to utilize U.S. logistics systems when required, and will maintain a high degree of commonality with the US fleet. GDLS would design, develop, convert, implement and test a hybrid configuration of the M1A1, M1A2 and M1A2 System Enhancement Package (SEP) tank variants for the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. The vehicles would possess defined capabilities that increase lethality while limiting obsolescence.

https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/m1a2s.htm

Have any videos tested M1A2 SEP V1 / V2 armor with ATGM like TOW 2B?

 

[LeGenD]

stop lie. Do not try to prove yourself understanding...I see you fabricate a lot

A wealthy country like Saudi Arabia is not stupid enough to use a poorly-developed export. they have a better F-15 version than the USAF's F-15, and you say they use weakness tank than US Army tanks?

M1A2S Saudi tank program
The main advantages of the M1A2S tank program are that the RSLF are using its existing M1A2 tank fleet and equipping it with an improved hunter/killer capability with second-generation FLIR. Additionally, the M1A2S will reduce operation and support costs, continue to utilize U.S. logistics systems when required, and will maintain a high degree of commonality with the US fleet. GDLS would design, develop, convert, implement and test a hybrid configuration of the M1A1, M1A2 and M1A2 System Enhancement Package (SEP) tank variants for the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. The vehicles would possess defined capabilities that increase lethality while limiting obsolescence.

https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/m1a2s.htm

Have any videos tested M1A2 SEP V1 / V2 armor with ATGM like TOW 2B?

I do not fabricate anything, you twat. Trolling is your forte, not mine.

I have pointed a fact to you that US doesn't export M1 Abrams with DEU mesh to its customers. I have provided relevant citation(s) to complement my assertions but you are ignoring them. Deagel is authentic insider source, and it confirmed my point. Pay heed.

You are not being to the point in your arguments and flooding your responses with largely irrelevant bits of information. Please try to be to the point.