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M1A1 failed trials in Bahawalpur, Pakistan.
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First, learn to see things in their "context."
"the circumstances that form the setting for an event, statement, or idea, and in terms of which it can be fully understood."
Their are distinct realities that you need to come to terms to. I am not disputing Chinese innovation trends and rich ancient history but I am highlighting some modern-era realities.
Not long ago, I proved to you that Huawei is sourcing some crucial components from American firms [as an example]. Chinese history of sourcing technologies from Russia and US is well-documented. Chinese are also known for intellectual property theft worldwide.
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Just put the idiotic Chinese or whoever troll he is on ignore. Makes for cleaner reading of threads.
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He is a reoccurring thing, will pop out of somewhere again but could not answer a simple question.
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Radical and foolish
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Selective posting. Get a mirror and look at yourself. I ask for concrete proof of VT-4 failure and yet to get a response. Instead is avoiding and excuse.
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And i asked why the gun was changed and got no response.
I asked for prove of VT-4 tank failure and no response.
You want to play, I bring it on
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Changing the gun and adding mrs is an obvious proof that the gun couldn't keep up. In simple English.
Lol...still no proof after so many post? Ok, I give up.
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still insist on yout stupidity? If the tank continue moved forward. It will snapped the chain behind. They are carrying out a recovery drill of tank. Not tank break down as some stupid idiot thinks.
How did they recovered it... any Videos...
I have seen a recovery drill for T-90 and Indian Army used a swamp for that... such controlled environment is generally used to test Under water performance...
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@Beast
Fun videos for you.
T-14 Armata incident in the Russian Victory Parade in 2015 due to inexperienced driver:
T-90 stuck in mud (was TOWED out):
T-80 stuck in mud (was TOWED out):
M1A1 Abrams stuck in mud (but it came out on its own; its engine is very powerful):
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1. Nothing is infallible.
2. Trials can be exceedingly harsh and/or subjective; not necessarily realistic from operational standpoint.
3. You would want to drive your MBT through spaces where its chances of getting stuck are lower, in a heated situation. Concealing it behind the bushes is one thing; driving it through a canal of mud is very risky.
4. Pakistani Al-Khalid MBT was dispatched to Saudi Arabia for trials in 2006 and they didn't select it. No hard feelings.
American Army Professional talking about Al-Khalid:
"The specs look pretty competitive, so ultimately it depends far more on actual quality of build and quality of crew.
The bones of this tank are solid. The T-72 has been around for 40 years and has been continually improved. It’s a collaboration between Pakistan and China, with a lot of advanced Western components thrown in - fire control, electronics, and so on.
That said, a T-72 family vehicle is not quite on par with an M1A2, Challenger 2, or Leo 2A5–7 going 1-on-1. First, it’s a much lighter tank - 46 tons vs. 60–68 tons - and you give some things up in that trade. The M1A2 is better armored overall, has better survivability, and better crew affordances. If nothing ever broke on a tank, having a 3-man crew with an autoloader could be great. But a tank is a rolling pile of bolts - every time you move, something loosens up. If you throw a track, there’s one less man to lift heavy chunks of steel, or one less to set security while the others lift said chunks.
Moreover, the carousel autoloader on which it relies is slower than a human loader, and seconds count in combat. First, if has to spin the carousel so the desired type of round is in position to be loaded. Then, the gun must be returned to a neutral position (ie, off the target) for loading and re-laid on target when loaded. Finally, the carousel design requires that the round be separate from the powder charge.
The form factor does bring benefits: lower silhouette, ability to cross bridges that may collapse under an M1’s weight, possibly lower ground pressure to operate in boggy soil. So it really comes back to: how well-trained are your crews, how experienced are they, how willing to risk death for their fellows and their mission?"
Very balanced and professional.
So take these matters lightly. "Failure" is a relative term.
Fun videos for you.
T-14 Armata incident in the Russian Victory Parade in 2015 due to inexperienced driver:
T-90 stuck in mud (was TOWED out):
T-80 stuck in mud (was TOWED out):
M1A1 Abrams stuck in mud (but it came out on its own; its engine is very powerful):
---
1. Nothing is infallible.
2. Trials can be exceedingly harsh and/or subjective; not necessarily realistic from operational standpoint.
3. You would want to drive your MBT through spaces where its chances of getting stuck are lower, in a heated situation. Concealing it behind the bushes is one thing; driving it through a canal of mud is very risky.
4. Pakistani Al-Khalid MBT was dispatched to Saudi Arabia for trials in 2006 and they didn't select it. No hard feelings.
American Army Professional talking about Al-Khalid:
"The specs look pretty competitive, so ultimately it depends far more on actual quality of build and quality of crew.
The bones of this tank are solid. The T-72 has been around for 40 years and has been continually improved. It’s a collaboration between Pakistan and China, with a lot of advanced Western components thrown in - fire control, electronics, and so on.
That said, a T-72 family vehicle is not quite on par with an M1A2, Challenger 2, or Leo 2A5–7 going 1-on-1. First, it’s a much lighter tank - 46 tons vs. 60–68 tons - and you give some things up in that trade. The M1A2 is better armored overall, has better survivability, and better crew affordances. If nothing ever broke on a tank, having a 3-man crew with an autoloader could be great. But a tank is a rolling pile of bolts - every time you move, something loosens up. If you throw a track, there’s one less man to lift heavy chunks of steel, or one less to set security while the others lift said chunks.
Moreover, the carousel autoloader on which it relies is slower than a human loader, and seconds count in combat. First, if has to spin the carousel so the desired type of round is in position to be loaded. Then, the gun must be returned to a neutral position (ie, off the target) for loading and re-laid on target when loaded. Finally, the carousel design requires that the round be separate from the powder charge.
The form factor does bring benefits: lower silhouette, ability to cross bridges that may collapse under an M1’s weight, possibly lower ground pressure to operate in boggy soil. So it really comes back to: how well-trained are your crews, how experienced are they, how willing to risk death for their fellows and their mission?"
Very balanced and professional.
So take these matters lightly. "Failure" is a relative term.
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