LY-80 deliveries to Pakistan complete

[Peaceful Civilian]

Wise purchase for units. 9 batteries completed. We should order three more of ly80.

 

[iLION12345_1]

India will not attack our cities and kill civies. We won’t do the same to them. Cities are hindrances in combat for any army and are avoided. If so why are assaults always mounted through deserts and Seas shores?
Cities are only worth taking over if possible. With millions of people in a city. It’s almost impossible to take over one in modern times without creating a bloodbath. Plus. India’s first target, or any one who’s attacks us. Will target cantonments first because that’s where the military, soldiers and hardware resides. They won’t go “oh look a hotel let’s quickly bomb that before it starts producing tanks and shoots down our satellites.” And where do you want SAMS to be put in the city? On the top of Minar-e-Pakistan? Most of the major cities have cantonments directly in the middle of them. And those have sams in them. You can’t put sams in a random fucking location in the city.

Secondly. We have sams on the border, guess what, the enemy needs to cross the border to get both cities and cantonments.
I’ll say what I did before. Stop being arm chair generals with no idea of how war is fought and how things are done under the current circumstances we have. If you want an ideal defense go pay for it. Train the soldiers for it. Find the location to put it and convince other countries to sell it to us before you come here and start yapping about how the generals are dumb and you’re a godsend strategist. That’s one of the biggest issues of this forum. 1% actual people who know about defense. 99% arm chair generals and blind patriots.

 

[Aasimkhan]

Army's job is to protect the whole country ...not the bloody cantonments only.

These systems are not for cantonments. These systems are for entire complexes like ordnance factories, bridges on rivers, naval dockyards, oil refineries and other national assets vital during war. Stop spreading hate speech against army.

 

[Vapnope]

I wish it was 75km range.

 

[Gryphon]

Not really cities are strategic targets for the wars of the past like Vietnam Korea were the last ones, modern wars are fast paced wars where only millitary and admin structure are taken out by airstrike ( iraq) where as if someone bombs or nukes a city nowadays , they know that they themselves will get nuked or bombed so rational military minds don't do it, as for Pakistan's scenario, our main enemy doesn't even have any strategic bombing fleet so it would be utterly pointless for them to bomb cities and waste aircraft doing so ( or missiles )
However when viewing from a civilian lens you only view cantonment as pasban shopping centre or fortress road , however cantonemnt have the main rail connect army supply depots to other areas, ammunition reserves , reservist centre , brigade and div headquarters, corp hq, all the admin staff, l mention logistics again because very important , and in case war breaks out randomly out of nowhere , the armour regiments sitting in gujranwala would be easy pickings when parked neatly compressed in the battlion sheds ,

That is why these batteries are for cantt defence , as for long range AD like FD2000, even that is not effective in city defence, you need THAAD equiv for that which I'm afraid a country like ours with 1.8 percent tax rate would not be able to afford for the next 30 years

India will not attack our cities and kill civies. We won’t do the same to them. Cities are hindrances in combat for any army and are avoided. If so why are assaults always mounted through deserts and Seas shores?
Cities are only worth taking over if possible. With millions of people in a city. It’s almost impossible to take over one in modern times without creating a bloodbath. Plus. India’s first target, or any one who’s attacks us. Will target cantonments first because that’s where the military, soldiers and hardware resides. They won’t go “oh look a hotel let’s quickly bomb that before it starts producing tanks and shoots down our satellites.” And where do you want SAMS to be put in the city? On the top of Minar-e-Pakistan? Most of the major cities have cantonments directly in the middle of them. And those have sams in them. You can’t put sams in a random fucking location in the city.

Secondly. We have sams on the border, guess what, the enemy needs to cross the border to get both cities and cantonments.
I’ll say what I did before. Stop being arm chair generals with no idea of how war is fought and how things are done under the current circumstances we have. If you want an ideal defense go pay for it. Train the soldiers for it. Find the location to put it and convince other countries to sell it to us before you come here and start yapping about how the generals are dumb and you’re a godsend strategist. That’s one of the biggest issues of this forum. 1% actual people who know about defense. 99% arm chair generals and blind patriots.

Both of you have summed it up well. Cantonments become even more vulnerable because PA tends to establish multiple HQs in vicinity of each other - unlike IA which has enough financial muscle to establish a separate cantt for every HQ.

IMO, there should be multiple batteries protecting every major cantt - and the next round of purchase should focus on IIR or active radar homing surface to air missiles.

 

[Imran Khan]

Wise purchase for units. 9 batteries completed. We should order three more of ly80.

i dont think we need more LY-80 sir next 3 should be some more range batteries

 

[Aasimkhan]

Both of you have summed it up well. Cantonments become even more vulnerable because PA tends to establish multiple HQs in vicinity of each other - unlike IA which has enough financial muscle to establish a separate cantt for every HQ.

IMO, there should be multiple batteries protecting every major cantt - and the next round of purchase should focus on IIR or active radar homing surface to air missiles.

Bhai you have no idea how future war will be fought. Do you know by the time first bullet will be fired there will be no assets inside cantonments ?
These missiles are not for cantonments why don't you guys understand

 

[xyxmt]

Their preference is to protect their armoured divs and moving formations but, apparently, not the cities.

in case of war the most precious assets are your military assets, if enemy target your cities then you reciprocate

 

[hussain0216]

I wish it was 75km range.

Probably is

Part of our disinformation campaign to make the indians look like budduhs when the time comez

 

[Ghost 125]

So what's next after ly 80

FD 2000 AKA HQ 9 (export version)

Have been waiting for years... decades..


That shows the mentality... offload the responsibility on the other..It is the job of the airforce...so India is purchasing S400 will it be under its army or air force.
In todays warfare... cities are lot more important than the bloody tiny cantonment. Now it is time to think about protecting the nation..and not just the cantonment... since how many years we have been listening about HQ-9? And it there is not ban on its exports.

relax...even if they are deployed there it is not for protection of military accomodations or protection of wives childeren and parents of officers and men,,,it will be there to protect the assets...where are all the war fighting capabilities stored?? where are all the ordinance depots? ammunition storage??.

Bhai you have no idea how future war will be fought. Do you know by the time first bullet will be fired there will be no assets inside cantonments ?
These missiles are not for cantonments why don't you guys understand

it is not that simple

 

[Ultima Thule]

We need system like S 400

currently this is not possible HQ-9 will be good option and cheaper too @Syed Hammad Ahmed

 

[alibaz]

Army's job is to protect the whole country ...not the bloody cantonments only.

Protection of air is not the primary job of army, its the air force. They have 16s and 17s for defending air. Missiles are there to protect fighting columns for taking them to a place where they can deliver a terrible punch. Tomorrow you will say why air force has short and medium range air defence missiles, Mr war&peace they also follow the same principle. You have to prepare and fight a war considering your resources and economy. Jazbati na ho mera bhai.

Have been waiting for years... decades..


That shows the mentality... offload the responsibility on the other..It is the job of the airforce...so India is purchasing S400 will it be under its army or air force.
In todays warfare... cities are lot more important than the bloody tiny cantonment. Now it is time to think about protecting the nation..and not just the cantonment... since how many years we have been listening about HQ-9? And it there is not ban on its exports.

Its not about cantonments. All strategically important places are defended against enemy air and there is a method for doing that not just placing some soldiers or missiles. Finally do remember the best weapon against a tank is a tank and jet fighter against a jet fighter.

 

[Max]

are we doing anything indigenous? Ya Allah impose military sanctions on us again so we can have some of our own projects.

We need a continuous project 706 for military engines, Laser Tech, Space etc, if we can do it in 70's, we have much more resources now.

 

[Cuirassier]

Good assets for VP/VA protection under Army. However, the FD-2000 would be more crucial. Btw, we use FM-90 and mix of RBS-70/AAA to protect our mobile formations.

 

[OIO]

I wish it was 75km range.

Maybe 70km range according Chinese website.