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KARACHI:

Despite the population census around the corner, the government has failed to devise a mechanism to differentiate between legal and illegal immigrants and refugees.

Karachi hosts the most immigrants in the country from countries such as Bangladesh, Myanmar, Afghanistan and other African and Central Asian states but the exact number of immigrants has not been ascertained, raising concerns that these illegal residents have also managed to procure Computerised National Identity Cards (CNICs).

When The Express Tribune visited a Bengali settlement in Ibrahim Hyderi, the general secretary of the Pakistani Bengali Action Committee, Habibur Rehman, said 80% of the Bengalis had CNICs but right now of this 80%, the cards of 50% people are not being renewed, increasing their fear that they will not be counted in the national census.

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“The government should include us in the census. We fear that they might ignore us,” he said, adding that they are the descendants of Bengalis who chose to live in Pakistan after the 1971 war.

It is imperative for people living in Sindh, especially Karachi, to be included in the census so that resources can be distributed accordingly. “We Bengalis are Pakistani nationals and must be included in the census,” demanded Rehman.

A Burmese immigrant, Molana Abdul Kalam Ashrafi, of Ali Brohi Goth said his father migrated to Pakistan in 1962 when the factories of the Dadabhoys and Adamjees were shifted from Rangoon to Karachi.

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“I have a CNIC but thousands of others who migrated to Pakistan have been deprived of it, raising their concerns whether they will be counted as illegal immigrants or refugees,” he said.

Pakistan Bengali Action Committee vice-chairperson Muhammad Rafiq alHussaini said, “Hum tou kisi ginti mein hi nai hain [We are not counted anywhere]”. He added that it was the Bengalis who were at the forefront of the Independence movement and made the Muslim League, yet they are considered illegal immigrants.

Gadap Town in District Malir, on the other hand, hosts the majority of illegal Afghan immigrants and refugees. According to local resident Shahadatullah Akhunzada, his ancestors belong to Afghanistan but he was born in Karachi after his father migrated from Afghanistan in the late 1980s. Akhunzada said he does not have a CNIC but wants to be recognised as a Pakistani national since he was born here.

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“My father had acquired a CNIC but he died a few years ago. When I went to the NADRA office [after his death] for my CNIC, I was asked to produce my father’s NIC, which was not available, therefore, I was denied,” he recalled. “I could have made my CNIC after paying a Rs20,000 to Rs30,000 bribe but I am a poor fruit vendor and could not afford to do that.”

Akhunzada added that he has heard about the census in the news and is upset about not being counted as a Pakistani citizen, especially since he was denied a CNIC by the authorities.

Assistant Census Commissioner Muhammad Suleman of Ibrahim Hyderi, a town in District Malir where most of the Bengali and Burmese community lives, said, “We have not been told about any strategy or mechanism for identifying illegal immigrants and instead have been only asked to count people with valid CNICs”.

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According to him, if any of the family members has a CNIC, they will count and register the entire family as Pakistani national.

Tariq Suleman, the assistant census commissioner of Shah Mureed, Gadap Town, said they have been directed not to visit the Afghan Basti, since a majority of them do not have CNICs.

Zahid Farooq, director of the Urban Resource Centre, a non-governmental organisation, said that though most of the Afghan immigrants claim they want to continue living in Pakistan as citizens, whenever a family member dies, they take their body back to Afghanistan. “How can one prove his loyalty to a country when he chooses not to bury himself in Pakistan?” he asked.

Farooq was of the view that now is the opportunity for which a mechanism must be devised to at least count these immigrants in order to determine their numbers and former nationalities. He said by doing this, the government will be able to prevent these illegal immigrants from obtaining CNICs in the future as they are a ‘great burden on our economy’.

Pakistan Bureau of Statistics member of the census and survey, Habibullah Khan, said the census staff, after counting the family members, will contact NADRA to verify the family tree.

“During the census, we only need one NIC of a family, through which we can trace all the family members and no one can misguide us,” he said, adding that a penalty of over Rs50,000 and six months imprisonment has been suggested for people misleading census officials during the process. “The army and census personnel will have magisterial powers and can take action [against offenders] within minutes,” he said.
https://tribune.com.pk/story/1355266/lumped-together-karachis-immigrants-want-counted-census/
 
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I dont think that they can be counted as illegal, as they chose Pakistan over Bangladesh during and after the civil war.


No, almost all of the Bengalis from Bangladesh currently living in Karachi immigrated after 1971, and therefore are not considered citizens by the Government of Pakistan:


Pakistan Citizenship Act, 1951, section 16A:

"(2) Any person who, at any time before the sixteenth day of December, 1971, was a citizen of Pakistan domiciled in the territories which before the said day constituted the Province of East Pakistan and who, being under the protection of a Pakistan passport, was on that day, or is, residing in any country beyond those territories shall not be deemed to be a citizen of Pakistan unless, upon an application made by him to the Federal Government in this behalf, the Federal Government has granted him a certificate that at the date of the certificate he is a citizen of Pakistan."

http://pakistancode.gov.pk/english/UY2FqaJw2-apaUY2Fqa-ap+XZQ==-sg-jjjjjjjjjjjjj-con-1856
 
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No, almost all of the Bengalis from Bangladesh currently living in Karachi immigrated after 1971, and therefore are not considered citizens by the Government of Pakistan:


Pakistan Citizenship Act, 1951, section 16A:

"(2) Any person who, at any time before the sixteenth day of December, 1971, was a citizen of Pakistan domiciled in the territories which before the said day constituted the Province of East Pakistan and who, being under the protection of a Pakistan passport, was on that day, or is, residing in any country beyond those territories shall not be deemed to be a citizen of Pakistan unless, upon an application made by him to the Federal Government in this behalf, the Federal Government has granted him a certificate that at the date of the certificate he is a citizen of Pakistan."

http://pakistancode.gov.pk/english/UY2FqaJw2-apaUY2Fqa-ap+XZQ==-sg-jjjjjjjjjjjjj-con-1856
They took namak haram afghani but not Even Behari who secrfied their lives properties still living in camps.
On topic illegals never count in census anywhere. If they want count them give them nationality first.
 
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They took namak haram afghani but not Even Behari who secrfied their lives properties still living in camps.


Pakistan did take in many Biharis during the 1970s and 1980s. However, the vast majority of the Biharis currently living in Bangladesh consider themselves Bangladeshi now, not Pakistani:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/3-ro...-weapons-recovered.471833/page-2#post-9105695

Almost all of them have been granted Bangladeshi citizenship as well.

On topic illegals never count in census anywhere. If they want count them give them nationality first.

Their population total should be known. However, they should not be considered citizens.
 
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No, almost all of the Bengalis from Bangladesh currently living in Karachi immigrated after 1971, and therefore are not considered citizens by the Government of Pakistan:


Pakistan Citizenship Act, 1951, section 16A:

"(2) Any person who, at any time before the sixteenth day of December, 1971, was a citizen of Pakistan domiciled in the territories which before the said day constituted the Province of East Pakistan and who, being under the protection of a Pakistan passport, was on that day, or is, residing in any country beyond those territories shall not be deemed to be a citizen of Pakistan unless, upon an application made by him to the Federal Government in this behalf, the Federal Government has granted him a certificate that at the date of the certificate he is a citizen of Pakistan."

http://pakistancode.gov.pk/english/UY2FqaJw2-apaUY2Fqa-ap+XZQ==-sg-jjjjjjjjjjjjj-con-1856
Then they should apply for citizenship, as they remained loyal to Pakistan, and chose Pakistan.
 
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They took namak haram afghani but not Even Behari who secrfied their lives properties still living in camps.
On topic illegals never count in census anywhere. If they want count them give them nationality first.
And also anti mukti Bengalis
 
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Then they should apply for citizenship, as they remained loyal to Pakistan, and chose Pakistan.


I wouldn't say that "they remained loyal to Pakistan" or "chose Pakistan". Most of them immigrated for purely economic reasons in the 1980s and early 1990s, well after the war ended. Also, keep in mind that the vast majority of the Bengalis living in West Pakistan immigrated to Bangladesh after the conclusion of the war. Loyalty was not the motivating factor for those that came later, economics was.

In any case, anyone can apply for citizenship, but it is up to Pakistan's government and the people it represents to grant or deny their request.
 
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Pakistan did take in many Biharis during the 1970s and 1980s. However, the vast majority of the Biharis currently living in Bangladesh consider themselves Bangladeshi now, not Pakistani:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/3-ro...-weapons-recovered.471833/page-2#post-9105695

Almost all of them have been granted Bangladeshi citizenship as well.



Their population total should be known. However, they should not be considered citizens.
They had no choice but to accept BD govt offer coz Pakistan refused to take them. But still there are in thousands who were adult that time not recognized by any country.

Biharis were stateless until 2008 when a judgement by the Dhaka High Court gave them right of citizenship. The judgement does not cover refugees who were adults at the time of Bangladesh Liberation War.[1]

In March 2015, Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Pakistan said that more than 170,000 Biharis had been repatriated to Pakistan and the remaining 'stranded Pakistanis' are not its responsibility but rather the responsibility of Bangladesh.[3]
Wiki
 
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They had no choice but to accept BD govt offer coz Pakistan refused to take them. But still there are in thousands who were adult that time not recognized by any country.

Biharis were stateless until 2008 when a judgement by the Dhaka High Court gave them right of citizenship. The judgement does not cover refugees who were adults at the time of Bangladesh Liberation War.[1]

In March 2015, Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Pakistan said that more than 170,000 Biharis had been repatriated to Pakistan and the remaining 'stranded Pakistanis' are not its responsibility but rather the responsibility of Bangladesh.[3]
Wiki


Well, yes. However, more than 80% of the Biharis that still live in those camps were born after the war and are Bangladeshi citizens. Those who were minors at the time of the war were also granted Bangladeshi citizenship. That leaves something like 10-15% of Biharis in those camps who aren't eligible for Bangladeshi citizenship. Most of these people too probably prefer Bangladeshi citizenship, if they were offered it.

In any case, my point is mainly that the vast majority of Biharis in Bangladesh are Bangladeshi citizens (more than 80%). And that few of those older Biharis ineligible for Bangladeshi citizenship would choose Pakistani citizenship, if given a choice between the two.
 
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