Losing interest in Indus civilization

[Bharat Muslim]

Losing interest in Indus civilization

Many Indians are interested in Indus civilization because they associate their country's science & engineering talent with this civilization. They think their country is making strides in science & technology because of the heritage of Indus civilization.

But if the same Indians come to know of the dark truth about India's science & technology, the interest in Indus civilization would fizzle out instantly. Many of India's successes and failures are hidden in mystery and things actually may not be as they appear. When I pondered over the real technological capability of India, I instantly felt like giving the Indus valley civilization discussion a complete miss. In light of these revelations, even if Indus civilization indeed belongs to India, I wouldn't give two hoots.

There are strong reasons to believe that India's civilian space programs and military R&D projects may be non-indigenous or even fake. Indian technology doesn't seem to be about innovation/ingenuity. It is probably about purchasing and managing. The list of misleading red herrings is long. For instance, if India's Mars and Lunar missions are real, why is it unable to invent engines for it's military plane even after so many decades of trying? If Indian space missions are real, why are Indian programmers/coders so notoriously incompetent? Why is India harassed by a tiny country of Pakistan? Please don't cite Western awards and other significant 'recognition' of Indian science & technology. West has it's own agenda and their hyped certificates often don't indicate real merit.

The question is why do Indians do it? Why would Indians fabricate a facade about their science & technology prowess? I can think of two answers: One, to deter nuclear attacks by creating a camouflage of great strength. Two, to make money by siphoning R&D funds. The point they want to convey is: "Since we are capable of making civilian rockets, we are also capable of making effective and functioning nukes. So beware and refrain from using your nukes."

@Kao Boy @Mr.Nair @my2cents @kris @Tamil_Manithan @liall @Blue Marlin @aryadravida_exmuslim

@John Reese

 

[Mr.Nair]

@Kao Boy @Mr.Nair @my2cents @kris @Tamil_Manithan @liall @Blue Marlin @aryadravida_exmuslim

The day land of indus river hand over to pakistan, the glory and pride of such civilization gone once for all...bitter truth.

 

[Bharat Muslim]

@Ashesh @AshishDelhi

The day land of indus river hand over to pakistan, the glory and pride of such civilization gone once for all...bitter truth.

Does everybody else here (both Indians and Pakistanis) have comprehension problem or is my message lost due to lack of emphasis? If it's later it's my deficiency and I hope this post clarifies. If it's former, every reply here is off-topic and is a derailment of the thread.

The topic is NOT whether India can claim IVC. The topic is whether it is worth taking interest in. Does it give any real pleasure? Earlier I had a fetish about IVC because I linked it with great scientific and technological advancements. But now since it is doubtful that India's progress in above mentioned fields is authentic, I have lost interest in IVC. I have lost interest in IVC because India's science and technology is probably more hype than indigenousness. I have lost interest in IVC because what I thought was fairly indigenous technology may have actually been pretension.

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

CPEC, honestly is modern iteration of the past. Gandhara wa symbiosis of Central Asia/Indus Valley and China. The same route that carried Buddhism north along the Silk Road will bring economic revolution to Pakistan. Amazingly the modern Karakorum Highway begins right next to Taxila and traverses many of the Gandhara Greco-Buddhist sites you see in the video.

Are the concerns of disruption of CPEC real or imagined?

 

[Nilgiri]

That is the soundest view on the IVC as a propaganda icon.

However, as a monumental social construct, as the building of an entire civilisation that behaved in a socially responsible manner, at a time when most of mankind was up to its armpits in primitive thought and action, this invites continuing and valid interest. To look for propaganda fringe benefits is the hallmark of very small minds; it is good that you have rejected it as a false line of thinking.



The instances you have quoted are unfortunately each of them incorrect.

1. Regarding the Mars and Moon missions, it is not necessary to evolve a threading system to put together an engineering construct.
2. Regarding the 'invention' of engines, or their innovative design, if one might be permitted a more suitable word, you obviously have no idea about what a great deal of design expertise is called for. It would reward you to look at the failure of the German engines for the ME 262 when they were used for derivative Soviet designs; until the British sold them Rolls Royce engines, Soviet jet plane design was going nowhere. It will further reward you to look at the history of subsequent catch-up artists, including the most notorious, one that still buys Russian technology. It isn't that easy. Only a handful of western nations make successful jet engines.
3. 'Notoriously incompetent'? Having been associated with some parts of the space programme, and given that coding of the mission computer for that particular pre-GSLV line of development was entrusted to my organisation, may I politely say that you are full of it, and brimming?
   
4. India is harrassed by a tiny country of Pakistan, and it is simply because Pakistan defines the rules and then plays its games. There is nothing more to it than that. If India were to follow the same degraded rules, Pakistan would have ceased to exist a long time ago. As an ardent supporter of the Pakistani sub-culture, and of the infinite human capacity of the ordinary Pakistani man and woman, I cannot think of this without a shudder, and with a gladness that we do not stoop to any and everything. Present rhetoric notwithstanding.

It is difficult to grasp your proposed reasons for this state of affairs as serious interventions.



Not nice.

Hope you are well saab. You are one of the few reasons I truly appreciate joining this forum.

 

[Bharat Muslim]

Losing interest in Indus civilization

Many Indians are interested in Indus civilization because they associate their country's science & engineering talent with this civilization. They think their country is making strides in science & technology because of the heritage of Indus civilization.

But if the same Indians come to know of the dark truth about India's science & technology, the interest in Indus civilization would fizzle out instantly. Many of India's successes and failures are hidden in mystery and things actually may not be as they appear. When I pondered over the real technological capability of India, I instantly felt like giving the Indus valley civilization discussion a complete miss. In light of these revelations, even if Indus civilization indeed belongs to India, I wouldn't give two hoots.

There are strong reasons to believe that India's civilian space programs and military R&D projects may be non-indigenous or even fake. Indian technology doesn't seem to be about innovation/ingenuity. It is probably about purchasing and managing. The list of misleading red herrings is long. For instance, if India's Mars and Lunar missions are real, why is it unable to invent engines for it's military plane even after so many decades of trying? If Indian space missions are real, why are Indian programmers/coders so notoriously incompetent? Why is India harassed by a tiny country of Pakistan? Please don't cite Western awards and other significant 'recognition' of Indian science & technology. West has it's own agenda and their hyped certificates often don't indicate real merit.

The question is why do Indians do it? Why would Indians fabricate a facade about their science & technology prowess? I can think of two answers: One, to deter nuclear attacks by creating a camouflage of great strength. Two, to make money by siphoning R&D funds. The point they want to convey is: "Since we are capable of making civilian rockets, we are also capable of making effective and functioning nukes. So beware and refrain from using your nukes."

@adil_minhas @gayMo @DESERT FIGHTER @Max @LoveIcon

 

[adil_minhas]

@adil_minhas @gayMo

Technically even Hinduism isn't really Indian.

To that extent the IVC is more Indian (Dravidian) than Hinduism is.

Cheers.

 

[TopCat]

@Nilgiri

 

[Bharat Muslim]

Technically even Hinduism isn't really Indian.

To that extent the IVC is more Indian (Dravidian) than Hinduism is.

Cheers.

Does everybody else here (both Indians and Pakistanis) have comprehension problem or is my message lost due to lack of emphasis? If it's later it's my deficiency and I hope this post clarifies. If it's former, every reply here is off-topic and is a derailment of the thread.

The topic is NOT whether India can claim IVC. The topic is whether it is worth taking interest in. Does it give any real pleasure? Earlier I had a fetish about IVC because I linked it with great scientific and technological advancements. But now since it is doubtful that India's progress in above mentioned fields is authentic, I have lost interest in IVC. I have lost interest in IVC because India's science and technology is probably more hype than indigenousness. I have lost interest in IVC because what I thought was fairly indigenous technology may have actually been pretension.

 

[adil_minhas]

Does everybody else here (both Indians and Pakistanis) have comprehension problem or is my message lost due to lack of emphasis? If it's later it's my deficiency and I hope this post clarifies. If it's former, every reply here is off-topic and is a derailment of the thread.

The topic is NOT whether India can claim IVC. The topic is whether it is worth taking interest in. Does it give any real pleasure? Earlier I had a fetish about IVC because I linked it with great scientific and technological advancements. But now since it is doubtful that India's progress in above mentioned fields is authentic, I have lost interest in IVC. I have lost interest in IVC because India's science and technology is probably more hype than indigenousness. I have lost interest in IVC because what I thought was fairly indigenous technology may have actually been pretension.

I don't know about your fetishes man.

You invited me here and I'm just using the platform to make a point.

Kudos.

 

[utraash]

IVC ate beef and buried their dead

IVC was known for their hospitality with others like Aryans and Mesopotamians.

We don't have that dogma to dissociate ourselves from IVC for the beef... Pls apply the same logic to predecessor human race which used to hunt & kill in jungles for survival....
For how long you will keep peddling the lies of Aryans invaders...

 

[Bharat Muslim]

For how long you will keep peddling the lies of Aryans invaders...

For how long will you keep peddling the lies of India's space, nuclear weapons and missile programs? Oh! It - the bluff with the intention of deterrence - is necessary for India's security and survival.

@Mr.Nair

 

[Bharat Muslim]

Losing interest in Indus civilization

Many Indians are interested in Indus civilization because they associate their country's science & engineering talent with this civilization. They think their country is making strides in science & technology because of the heritage of Indus civilization.

But if the same Indians come to know of the dark truth about India's science & technology, the interest in Indus civilization would fizzle out instantly. Many of India's successes and failures are hidden in mystery and things actually may not be as they appear. When I pondered over the real technological capability of India, I instantly felt like giving the Indus valley civilization discussion a complete miss. In light of these revelations, even if Indus civilization indeed belongs to India, I wouldn't give two hoots.

There are strong reasons to believe that India's civilian space programs and military R&D projects may be non-indigenous or even fake. Indian technology doesn't seem to be about innovation/ingenuity. It is probably about purchasing and managing. The list of misleading red herrings is long. For instance, if India's Mars and Lunar missions are real, why is it unable to invent engines for it's military plane even after so many decades of trying? If Indian space missions are real, why are Indian programmers/coders so notoriously incompetent? Why is India harassed by a tiny country of Pakistan? Please don't cite Western awards and other significant 'recognition' of Indian science & technology. West has it's own agenda and their hyped certificates often don't indicate real merit.

The question is why do Indians do it? Why would Indians fabricate a facade about their science & technology prowess? I can think of two answers: One, to deter nuclear attacks by creating a camouflage of great strength. Two, to make money by siphoning R&D funds. The point they want to convey is: "Since we are capable of making civilian rockets, we are also capable of making effective and functioning nukes. So beware and refrain from using your nukes."

@Papa Dragon

 

[my2cents]

For how long will you keep peddling the lies of India's space, nuclear weapons and missile programs? Oh! It - the bluff with the intention of deterrence - is necessary for India's security and survival.

@Mr.Nair

So what if it for deterrence-- all is fair in love and war. Our enemies are smarter than you are. They know when you are bluffing.

 

[Kashmiri Pandit]

I feel nothing good will come from clinging to IVC .
Learn the lessons from IVC and move forward .