Loot and plunder by Indian army after liberation war in 1971

[chindit]

Barrister Moudud is not a neutral source.He is a BNP minister and if I am not wrong he is in jail now for corruption.

still, I would be interested in knowning what a biased source would have written about the looting by army. there is nothing wrong in knowng both sides of the story

 

[Bilsher007]

But why rake this issue which is 35 years old, it is very difficult to ascertain what is fact and what is fiction.

tHE ISSUE IS NOT DEAD WE PAKISTANIS HAVE'NT FORGOTTEN IT. SURE THERE WERE MISTAKES FROM OUR POLITCAL HEIRARCHY BUT INDIA PLAYED HUGE HAND IN SPONSORING TERRORISM AND STILL DOES IN FORMER EAST PAKISTAN..NOW KNOWN AS BANGLADESH . IT WAS MUKTI BAHINIS ABOUT 10-15,000 SCUMS WHO RAPED AND MURDERED INNOCENT BANGLA MUSLIM WOMEN. THEY KILLED MEN,WOMEN AND CHILDREN THUS IT IS OUR MORAL DUTY TO TEACH YOU SCUM OF EARTHS A LESSON YOUR GENERATIONS WILL REMEMBER.

IT WAS A FAILURE BY US ON POLITICAL,DIPLOMATIC,MEDIA AND MILITARY TOP BRASS LEVELS. WHEN BROTHERS FIGHT AMONGST EACH OTHER THEN ENEMIES CAN EASILY IMPLEMENT THEIR PLANS.

I WILL QUOTE THIS DOCTRINE OF INDIANS TAKEN FROM THEIR EMPEROR CHANAKYA;
Kautilya alias Chanakya was Indian Emperor Chandragupta's Chief Minister who developed a strategy of destabilizing and weakening neighbouring states around 320 B.C. His methods proved advantageous to both Chandragupta and his successors including Emperor Asoka (who later gave up wars of expansion after embracing Buddhism and adopted the Dharma Chakra as the State symbol).

India's Research and Analysis Wing (RAW ) subsequently researched, developed and used these Kautilyan methods for expanding Delhi's power in the region including Sri Lanka and Bangladesh. In fact this is the Indian Government's real reason to adopt the Saranath Lion Capital and the Asoka Chakra or Dharma Chakra as India's National symbol - which appears on her national flag - more than out of respect for a great Buddhist Emperor and his religion as many Buddhists believe, according to Bangladeshi writer and Barrister M.B.I. Munshi (The India Doctrine published by Bangladesh Research Forum)

- Asian Tribune -

Asoka Chakra, Chanakya and RAW | Asian Tribune

IN SHORT CHANAKYA DOCTRINE WAS;

1. THREATHEN YOUR ENEMIES
2. BRIBE SOME PEOPLE AMONGST YOUR OPPOSITION.
3. MEDIA PROPAGANDA
4. MAKE INVASION WHEN YOUR ENEMY IS WEAK.

THIS IS THE METHOD THE INDIANS APPLIED IN FORMER EAST PAKISTAN AND STILL DO. THEY ALSO OUR TRYING TO APLLY THIS STRATEGY IN NATIONS AROUND IT WHICH ARE UNFRIENDLY.

 

[Bilsher007]

ALL THE ALLEGATIONS OF RAPE AND MURDERS AGAINST PAKISTAN ARMED FORCES ARE ALL FALSE. MUKTI BAHINI AND INDIAN ARMED FORCES WERE THE ONES INVOLVED IN SUCH HEINOUS CRIMES AND SOME HAVE BEEN PUNISHED WHEREAS OTHERS ARE YET TO RECEIVE SEVERE WRATH.

PAKISTAN HAS TAKEN REVENGE PARTIALLY WITH THE SUPPORT TO MUSLIM FREEDORM FIGHTERS IN JAMMU & KASHMIR. THE LOSS OF INDIAN ARMY SOLDIERS AND TOP RANK PERSONNEL IS GREATER THAN IT'S LOSS IN ALL THE WARS AGAINST PAKISTAN. BUT THE JOB IS FAR FROM FINISHED, JAMMU & KASHMIR IS YET TO BE LIBERATED AND INSHALLAH THE DAY IS NOT FAR.

IF IT WAS'NT FOR A CHANGE OF COMMAND IN 1965 OPERATION GIBRALTAR IF IT WAS'NT FOR FORMER PREMIER NAWAZ SHARIF'S SUBMISSION TO USA PRESSURE KASHMIR WOULD HAVE BEEN LIBERATED LONG AGO.TWICE WE HAD NEARLY TAKEN JAMMU & KASHMIR IN 1965 AND 1999 KARGIL WAR BUT DUE TO POOR POLITICAL VISION AND RESOLVE THIS DREAM DID'NT COME TRUE.

BUT ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, IN FUTURE NO SUCH BLUNDERS WILL BE ALLOWED TO REPEAT BY ANY SUCH POLITICANS. THE AREAS WHICH WILL BE CAPTURED BY PAKISTAN ARMED FORCES WILL NOT BE GIVEN BACK. JAMMU & KASHMIR WILL BE LIBERATED AND WE WILL LIBERATE ALL OTHER DEPRIVED GROUPS FIGHTING FOR INDEPENDENCE IN 235 DISTRICTS OUT OF 600 IN INDIA, INSHALLAH.

1971 KA BADLA HUM AISEY LEIN GAIN KAY INDIAN HINDUS WILL BE IN SHOCK FOR GENERATIONS AND LIVE IN HUMILIATIONS FOREVER. ALONGWITH KASHMIRI MUSLIMS, TAMILS AND PUNJABIS TOO HAVE OUR MORAL SUPPORT AND THEY ARE WITH US IN EVERY WAY THEREFORE IT WILL NOT BE DIFFICULT TO WORK WITH THEM TO ACHIEVE THE FINAL RESULTS ONCE OUR FORCES MOVE INTO INDIA.

PAKISTAN ZINDABAD

 

[leonblack08]

IT WAS MUKTI BAHINIS ABOUT 10-15,000 SCUMS WHO RAPED AND MURDERED INNOCENT BANGLA MUSLIM WOMEN.

One advice to you,GO AND DO MORE RESEARCH BEFORE WRITING ANYTHING FOOLISH.
The topic is about looting by Indian troops,so discuss about that.
Pakistan army did commit war crimes though the actual number of death and raping was less than official claims.

 

[leonblack08]

still, I would be interested in knowning what a biased source would have written about the looting by army. there is nothing wrong in knowng both sides of the story

Sheikh Mujib did not want to further investigate into this matter.So no official report is present as far as I know.
Indian troops looted Pakistani tanks,trucks and other military equipment which should have been BDs property.
Among non military things industrial machinery and other things are included.I don't know about looting of minor things like jewellary though.

 

[chindit]

From what I know

Indian troops looted Pakistani tanks,trucks and other military equipment which should have been BDs property.

BD retained many of the tanks - I have seen pictures of chafee tanks in Bangla service. yes some of them are in India as monuments - but these are war trophies that were knocked out in genuine war. how can you claim this is "Loot"?

On the other hand, india gave bangladesh lot of military support - guns, ammunition, ships.

I do not have Army accounts, but just going through the official indian navy accounts, you will realise how the Indian government bent backwards to helping bangladesh set up its own infrastructure post 71.

indian Navy toiled for months to sweep the seas of all the mines left behind by the Pakistanis to enable Bangladesh shipping to commence.

The minesweeping operation off Chittagong was the Indian Navy's first real encounter with live mines. For nearly twelve months, these small, over-aged minesweepers operated 2500 miles from their home base in Bombay and 600 miles from the nearest naval base in Visakhapatnam, without proper logistic support, in extremely hazardous conditions, in a port ravaged by war. Both officers and men came through the arduous experience well and with confidence. The minesweepers however needed extensive repairs for several months before their operational capability could be restored.

Of the 94 mines believed to have been laid off Chittagong, 18 mines were cut by Indian minesweepers and 2 by Russian minesweepers. 6 mines were washed ashore and destroyed.

They took extreme care when money was involved

A few hours before the surrender, the Pakistan Navy had reportedly dumped into the river, Rupees 22 lakhs of coins, a large quantity of looted gold and silver ornaments and six large trunks of gold taken from the National Bank. Diving operations at Chittagong were undertaken at the request of the Bangladesh Navy and the Bangladesh Bank.

Diving operations commenced on 3 July 72 and completed on 24 October 72. To avoid any suspicion of misappropriation, the procedure followed was:

(a) Diving operations were conducted in the presence of two officers of the Bangladesh Bank and one officer of the Bangladesh Navy.

(b) The items recovered were handed over to the Bangladesh Bank representatives in the presence of Bangladesh naval officer after the necessary supply and receipt vouchers had been signed by the Bangladesh officials and the Officer in-Charge of the Diving team/Commanding Officer of the Indian naval ship supporting the diving operation.

The total recovery was 52.75 tolas of gold, 70.05 kgs of silver and large quantities of coins.

The Indian navy gave FREE ships to Bangladesh Navy. These were not some captured pakistani boats (which were all in Bangla posession - but Indian boats)

At the request of the Bangladesh Navy, Seaward Defence Boats AKSHAY and AJAY were transferred in April 73 and July 74 and recommissioned as BNS PADMA and SURMA respectively. Concurrently, Bangladesh naval personnel started undergoing training in India.

Even the merchant ships captured by India in the high seas, some of them were given to Bangladesh. Note that ships captured in high seas by indian navy do not belong to bangladesh. theya re technically pakistani ships.

Of the four Pakistani merchant ships seized in the 1971 war:

(a) On 17 Apr 72, BAQIR was renamed MV HOOGHLY and manned by the Shipping Corporation of India for transporting troops and stores from Bangladesh to India. Thereafter, she transported the Army Garrison to Port Blair. Later in 1972, she was commissioned as INS ADHAR and used for the transportation of stores and material between the mainland and the A&N Islands and between the naval ports. In January 1974, ADHAR was chartered to the Mogul Line for four years at Rs 75,000 per month and renamed as LOK ADHAR. She was used for coastal service. On completion of the charter, LOK ADHAR was disposed of by the Navy.

(b) In June 72, the Government of India decided that ANWAR BAKSH, MADHUMATI and PASNI would be handed over to the SCI who would run these ships and pay the Navy an agreed amount. Later, as a gesture of goodwill, these ships were handed over to Bangladesh, MADHUMATI and PASNI in April 73 and ANWAR BAKSH in November 74.

Regarding the Bangladesh Air Force, it is common knowledge, India gifted two transport aircraft and one helicopter to the BAF. Additionally, all aircraft recovered by BAF from Dacca were inducted into Bangla Air Force. none of them are in india.

Now just as i have quoted examples where India helped the Bangla people. I would like you would quote specific examples when you accuse indian army of mass loot and plunder.

I hope you realise I am not dissing you. but only asking you to rationalise what you post with supporting information that makes this exchange educational to both.

 

[chindit]

LOL..

someone sent the gentleman below the link from this thread

i reffer u a book “raw and bangladesh” written by a bengali “zain-ul-abadin”
the book “witness to surrender” u must read
after winning war india also looted u a bengali writes in defence forum pakistan (pls visit)http://www.defence.pk/forums/milita...-indian-army-after-liberation-war-1971-a.html

My Response to a Pakistani School Student

To which the author of the blog responded (He is bangladeshi)

The accusation of looting by the Indian army is largely based on heresy. During the entire period of Indian army’s stay in Bangladesh I did not hear a single case of looting by the Indian soldiers. Of course, the boot lickers of Pakistan army cannot wait to tell false stories. Even the looting by common criminals and thieves are passed up as the looting by the Indian army!

 

[leonblack08]

LOL..

someone sent the gentleman below the link from this thread



My Response to a Pakistani School Student

To which the author of the blog responded (He is bangladeshi)

LOL
Well it seems you have done all your research and it leaves me with nothing else to say.
Ok if it is based on hearsay then why even some freedom fighters say there was looting by Indian soldiers,were they mistaken as well??
Now go back to the first post,and you will find Indian govt.did commission an investigation.Now why is that??
Now about the neutrality of the source.Ok lets take Mr.“zain-ul-abadin” who wrote “raw and bangladesh” as pro-Pakistan.But what about this Abul kashem??Can you say he is not pro-Indian??

I don't trust him a bit reading his article about Islam.
Wine Drinking in Islam by Abul Kasem
This guy is acting smart and trying to bend the laws of a religion,quoting various texts to prove his point.so he can not be trusted.BTW who is this man???Why should I believe his words??


India definitely helped BD,no matter what her intention was and if any Bangladeshi disagrees that,SHAME on him or her.
But there is one saying,"when there is smoke,there is fire",I guess you know that.There was looting by Indian troops.May be and most probably Gen.Aurora did not order that.

 

[leonblack08]

Just read Abul Kashem's other articles,he is an ATHEIST and above all Anti-Islam.

 

[leonblack08]

I know religion has nothing to do with this but one thing for sure THIS MAN CAN NOT BE A NEUTRAL SOURCE.

 

[leonblack08]

This is Mr.Zain ul Abedin,writer of "RAW AND BANGLADESH"


About the author: Mohammad Zainal Abedin did masters from Dhaka University.As a student leader he was detained many times in pre-Liberation days under Defence of Pakistan Rule and Martial Law.He took part in the Liberation War and was trained at Haflong in Assam as a member of BLF popularly known as Mujib Bahini.He worked in Weekly Ittehad and daily Ganokantho.

Zainal Abedin is a prolific writer and regularly contributes to the daily New Nation, Inqilab, Ejkaler Khabar and websites: NFB and Global Politician. He has authored many books and monographs. Some of the titles are: Class Crisis in Politics,Secrets Behind the Killing of Zia, Ek Nadi Rakto(dramatised in the training camp of Haflong in Assam during the Liberation War), Parbattya Chattagram-Swarup Shandhan, Why India Needs Veto Power?, Chittagong Hill Tracts-A Victim of Indian Intervention etc.

“RAW and Bangladesh” was published in 1995 and as such many information may seem redundant and obsolete.But the basic premise is still relevant, RAW’s area of operation and modus operandi in today’s Bangladesh appear to be same.

 

[leonblack08]

Preface of the Book:

The eventful days of 1971 remain ever fresh in my memory despite the passage of long 25 years. As I ponder over the events, one particular incident chastises me the most. It happened during April 1971. Although the operation of Pakistan Army had started in Dhaka on the night of 25 March but my home district Noakhali was still out of its purview. I, along with some other leaders was busy in organising resistance forces in our area. Volunteers from far off villages and shoals had assembled in large numbers in the district headquarters. They carried assortment of weapons, some even carried bamboo sticks, spears, arrows, javelins etc. They were determined to fight for realization of the just rights of the Bengalis.

I, as a student leader had played significant role in popularising 6- points in my area. I had many admirers and political supporters. My most staunch supporter and admirer was a neighbour. He was a middle-aged, ‘mature and sober person. He had stood by m)’! during difficult days of Ayub regime. In fact, without his assistance and support, it would not have been possible for me to become a front rank student leader.

I had immense respect and regard for him. I was thrilled when I spotted him in the make shift camp set up for the resistance forces. I greeted him warmly. But he remained cold and unmoved. His eyes were dazed and he seemed lost. I thought that he was concerned about Pakistan Army’s imminent advance to our area and its consequences for us.He got hold of my hand and took me to a nearby restaurant. As we sipped tea, he started narrating the history of pre-1947 Bengal. He mentioned gory details of how the Hindus used to treat the Muslims and explained the reasons for creation of Pakistan. He said that struggling for one’s right is different from break up of the country. He stated that India would first weaken us by breaking our unity and then exploit us. He added that his life time experiences had told him that India would never be sincere to Muslims. With tears in his eyes and hands trembling with emotions he quipped, “Are you again going to make us the slaves of the Hindus?”.

I must admit that I did not give any serious thought to his urging. I was too young and emotional. Besides, I was so involved with my cause that I had little time or scope to think about future. In fact, had I not known his background, I would have dismissed him as a ‘ collaborator’ .

However, the said question now haunts me often. The realization of what lay in store for us had started soon after I crossed over to India where I was assigned to elite Mujib Bahini. The attitude of our Indian handlers and trainers indicated that they treated us (the Freedom Fighters) not as friends but as agents. However, the real Indian face lay bare after the surrender of Pakistani forces, when I saw the large scale loot and plunder by the Indian Army personnel.

The Indian soldiers appeared to be the modern edition of the Maratha Cavalry who is notorious in history for plundering Bengal during the middle age. The Indian soldiers swooped on everything they found and carried them away to India. Their haste for plunder made our people believe that they had been waiting for such I an opportunity for centuries and they were not ready to waste even a single moment when the cherished opportunity arrived. Indian soldiers imposed curfew on our towns, industrial bases, ports, cantonments, commercial centres and even residential areas to make the looting easier. They lifted every thing from ceiling fan to military equipment, utensils to water taps. Thousands of Army vehicles were used to carry looted goods to India.

History has recorded few such cruel and henious plunders. Such a large scale plunder could not have been possible without connivance of higher Indian authorities. Otherwise how could the soldiers have dared to commit such a pillage?It was evident from the conduct of the Indian Army that they treated Bangladesh as a colony. That was the time when the question asked by my neighbour seriously surfaced in my mind. Since then I have been pondering but am unable to give any definite answer. I only pray that history proves his .apprehensions wrong.Frequently I face question from some quarters how I write about Indian misdoings while I am myself a freedom fighter, who had got training, shelter and help from Indians during liberation war. My answer to them is that I do what a real freedom fighter ought to do. I cannot remain quiet about excesses committed against my motherland irrespective of who is the’ perpetrator of the excesses. If India had given a fair deal to Bangladesh,nobody would say anything against her. But India through her notorious deeds has proved time and again that she is not our friend but an arch roguish foe. India has posed a grave threat to our independence and sovereignty.

Thus the duty and responsibility of a genuine freedom fighter calls upon me to stand up to the enemy of Bangladesh in whatever manner I can.It is now evident that India had helped the creation of Bangladesh with the aim that it would be a step forward towards the reunification of India. Soon after creation of Bangladesh, India let loose all forces at her command to cripple the newly born country. Their aim was to precipitate its collapse and eventual merger with India to realize part of the Brahmanic dream about ‘Akhand Bharat’.

The most significant player of this henious game is India’s notorious intelligence agency, the Research and Analysis Wing commonly known as RAW.Since its inception in 1968 RAW has been an unobtrusive instrument for achieving Indian foreign policy objectives. RAW had worked assiduously in the erstwhile East Pakistan and had succeeded in establishing an elaborate network of spies and subversive elements. After establishment of Bangladesh the said network was further expanded as there was no check or obstacle in her way in the new country. RAW has spread her tentacles in almost all spheres of Bangladesh. Its network is growing like a cancer.

However, except for occasional news and features in some newspapers, no detailed account of RAW’s activities has been documented. During 1994-95, I wrote a series of articles about RAW’s nefarious activities in Bangladesh in the Weekly Muslim Jahan. Having read the same a large number of my readers and friends goaded me to publish a comprehensive book on the subject. The result is in your hands in form of this book.

Here I would like to dispel the impression that RAW is an insurmountable or a super organisation. In fact, contrary to that it has stagnated into an unwieldy and sluggish organisation. Its strong point is its vast resources. But there is no reason to be over-awed by it. Certainly the RAW’s onslaught can be effectively countered as has been proved time and again by patriotic Bangladeshis.

Through this book I want to send a clear message to RAW in particular and Indian rulers in general that Bangladesh is not a country which will bend down in the face of their covert and overt intrigues. Let RAW and its toadies understand that the nation that achieved her independence through tears and blood will foil their designs. There will never be any compromise with the enemies. Therefore, intrigues RAW has been indulging in during the last quarter century must end. We may live in hardship and misery, yet we value our independence and sovereignty. Bangladesh may be a small and a weak country, yet it is our pride, our identity. We believe in Tipu Sultan’s dictum, ” One day life of a lion is better than hundred years life of a jackal”.

I may add that some well wishers had advised me due to concern for my security, not to antagonise RAW, a ruthless organisation. My answer to them was that as a true Muslim and patriot I cannot keep quiet when my motherland is being trampled. For me life is not more precious than the sanctity of my mother land. Moreover, I could have been killed in 1971 war. This life is a bonus. I am not afraid of sacrificing anything for my country.

The publication of this book could not have been possible without support and encouragement from the Editor of the Weekly Muslim Jahan, Mr. Mutafa Moinuddin Khan. I am also grateful to Moulana Mohiuddin Khan, a renowned intellectual, for his invaluable help and suggestions. Besides I am indebted to large number of my readers and friends who after reading series of my articles in the Weekly Muslim Jahan encouraged and persuaded me to compile this book. I am also thankful to of those dailies, weeklies, periodicals and authors of the books from whom I took help and also quoted in the book

The original book was in Bengali. But later I decided to publish an English version as well for greater awareness about RAW’s nefarious activities particularly by the international community. For obvious reasons the English version is not a literal translation. Besides, some portions have been revised and updated. Hence some variance may be found by readers of the two versions.My head bows down before Almighty Allah in all humility to thank him as He gave me strength to undertake this arduous and sensitive work and enable me to present it to my readers. All glory and praise be toAllah. Errors, omissions and limitations, if any, are mine. I must frankly admit that it is not an all encompassing work. Full exposure of RAW’s machinations requires hundreds of volumes. I urge all patriotic writers and researchers to come forward and help in unveiling the ugly face of this treacherous organisation which is eating into the vitals of Bangladesh. May Allah help us. Amin.

 

[leonblack08]

http://www.zimbio.com/Dhaka+Bangladesh/articles/19/RAW+destroying+Bangladesh+Mohammad+Zainal

 

[Ali.009]

We'll never forget what hindu fanatics did in 1947/1971. Wait till its pay back time!

 

[TopCat]

Looting started since April 1971 by the PK army and their collaborator. I was not born then, but I heard stories from my grandpa and uncles. They even took away chicken from poor farmers.. Anyways that was a war and nobody could claim them as angles. There might be some misappropriation by some Indian soldiers but that was in very limited scale. But indian army took away the arms and ammunition captured from PK army.
The people who talked much about looting of the Indian army are those who were involved in wholesale looting for the entire 9 mos of Bangladeshi freedom struggle.