Lessons from Saudi Arabia

[Desert Fox]

I'm a moron, I'm obsessed with you which is why I keep quoting you

I know.

 

[GumNaam]

I am pregnant with molvi ashrafi's baby.

well congrats! didn't know you had it "IN YOU"!!!

 

[Desert Fox]

I am pregnant with molvi ashrafi's baby.

Cool

 

[GumNaam]

meray bachoan ka asal GUMNAAM hay

Yar ghubara phatt giya tha, kia karoon?

 

[Desert Fox]

I'm a faggot

 

[GumNaam]

hay gumnaam, mera haq mehr to day do

Abay chal bhaag...kiraay ki kaali churrayl!

I can do this ALL day!

 

[Desert Fox]

I'm a faggot

I know

 

[GumNaam]

I know you still love me gumnaam, aakhir may tumhaaray bachoan ki maa hoon naaaaa

Abay jaan chor!

 

[Hassan_Ishtiaq]

No you haven't. You are letting your preconceived notions to cloud your understanding of the Quran. You're accusing people of shirk, the single greatest transgression, and you're throwing it around lightly.
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Here you go! If Allah permits you to disobey parents if they ask you to associate anyone with Him then do you REALLY think Allah would not expect you to disobey these so called " scholars" and their books when they are not in conformity of The Holy Quran and order things that are against The Quran??? Do you NOT think? or are these " scholars" more dear to you than your own parents? You are so Not helping your case here!

You're right, I don't know what you studied because whatever it was it's causing you to accuse other Muslims of shirk, something ISIS is known to do.
I clearly presented my evidence from The Quran while the Isis goons ahadith to prove their case Ones and that too, the ahadith that completely contradict The Quran! Oddly enough, that abu bakr baghdadi guy has even gone as far as saying that ahadith books are completely seperate and independant from The Quran! But if you don't like My evidence from The Quran and would follow these so called " scholars" like baghdadi and consider ahadith books as completely independent from The Quran then thats your problem!

Any average Joe with a computer can do that.
THAT Is THE WHOLE POINT! Islam is so easy! NO HIGHLY EDUCATED SCHOLAR ARE NEEDED! The Quran itself says that this deen is EASY! Yes, ABSO FREAKIN LUTELY ANYONE WITH 2 BRAIN CELLS AND A JUNIOR HIGH METRIC LEVEL EDUCATION CAN LEARN ISLAM!!! It is not a difficult religion! And for more complex matters, we the " average joes" AND " average janes" can do ijtehad among OURSELVES thank you very freaking MUCH, WE STILL HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO NEED FOR YOUR SO CALLED "SCHOLARS"! If you want follow these sectarian molvis like sheep and cattle then be my guest, go for it! BUT DON'T YOU DARE DICTATE TO THE REST OF US THAT WE NEED TO FOLLOW SUIT !!! KAPISH!

And again, what are your credentials? Have you studied classical Arabic and are you fluent in it enough to understand the Quranic and all of its meanings, many of which are lost in translation?
So, all these translations of The Quran that are internationaly recognized and written by scholars of the arabic language is not acceptable to you but other books written by similar scholars are perfectly acceptable to you? can you spell hipocrisy?! And I know EXACTLY what you ol going to say in advance since these are such brow beaten excuses so yes I actually keep an arabic lexographic dictionary with me and keep looking up the meanings of arabic words!

I don't claim to be a armchair scholar like you so I will be humble and admit that I don't know more than the true scholars of Islam and neither am I a perfect Muslim but I will call out arrogant people like you.
There is a BIG difference between humility and stupidity! If you refuse to study Islam on your own and in depth then you aren't being humble, you're being STUPID!

I never said it was halal. I was asking you that question because people make that argument who like you disregard the tafseer of the scholars and make their own interpretations.
I consider this as a miracle of The Quran that it will STILL teach you the right path without any tafseer. Although tafseers are a good thing, they are not a MUST to learn righteousness straight from The Quran.

Lol don't try to play that game with me.
I don't play games like little children. I play for keeps ...

There are people like you who disregard the scholars decisions and proclaim homosexuality as halal based on their own interpretation of the Quran:
Don't believe me? Take a look:
America's first Gay mosque with a Gay imam:
http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/.../12/20/meet-america-s-firstopenlygayimam.html
Now tell me, what gives your personal interpretation any legitimacy over theirs?
ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR FREAKIN MIND? Yar tum Kaheen pagel wagal to nahi ho??? khiskey huay to nahi ho? Aqal thhikanay to hay? I said that homosexuality is HARAM in the light of the verse I posted! After reading The Quran's verse I posted above, if you STILL think that I am saying that homosexuality is halal then I'm afraid you have very ill and evil intensions ...

See what happens? Everyone starts playing the "my own interpretation" game.

Without hierarchy there is chaos.
No, actually this hierarchy the very CAUSE of chaos, every sect has its own hierarchy and they are all trying to outdo the hierarchy in other sects! PATHETIC!

But who gave that judge the right to convict criminals when that judge watches child pornography in the privacy of his home? I don't know that but I'm just pretending to use your logic right now
well? Did that judge ever justify child pornography? The Answer is NO! But do your scholars justify Marriage to 6 year old girls? The answer is a resounding YES! So your example has no validity...

But why should I take your "proof" (which is just your personal, biased views) over those of scholars?

Oh, right, because you read one of the many English translations of the Quran.

Perhaps. I won't comment on this as I'm not a religious scholar nor am I pretending to be one.
Maybe because they justify your own inner agenda? Maybe you have a thing for 6 or 9 year old girls? Yeah, if you can accuse me of supporting homosexuality and alcohol being allowed then I can do the samething!

I see.

You don't have a clue do you?

http://motherhow.com/12-and-pregnant/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_youngest_birth_mothers

In American ghettos girls as young as twelve have gotten pregnant and I have seen this first hand (grew up in the states). Middle and high school pregnancies are very common.
When the heck did I justify that ghetto vulgarity? And how DARE you compare nikah to a 6 year old girl with the vulgarity of the western ghettos! The PRIMARY difference between your molvis' support for child marriages and the ghettos is that at least western world acknowledges that what happens to teenage girls in the ghettos is WRONG! But your molvis JUSTIFY child marriage and that too, of 6 year old girls...YOUR MUFTIS AND MOLVIS ARE SICK PERVERTS!

[USER=167996]@Psychic
Yeah that's right; call for backup ... but unfortunately, No amount of back is gonna help you against me. You know why? Because you aren 't up against me to begin with. You are up against Islam ITSELF!


I like to keep my responses as short and concise as possible
You do that[/USER]

You just mistranslated the entire ayah of the Quran. You don't even know what you're talking about. What qualifications do you have to make your own intepretations and force them on others? Are you affiliated with ISIS?

 

[Desert Fox]

I'm a faggot

I know

 

[Hassan_Ishtiaq]

someone tell this jahil gavaar molvi THAT WE GIVE A RAT'S TAIL ABOUT WHAT THE NONMUSLIMS THINK!!! and this mulla do piaza is gonna sit in "judgement" on the evidence that points to bibi Ayesha RA being 19 at the age of marriage? this mulla do piaza is gonna call MATHEMATICALLY VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE as weak and YET, he'll consider "here say" over the course of centuries as "solid" evidence...give me ONE good reason why the likes of ignoramuses like this mulla do piaza shouldn't be dragged out on the streets and ruthlessly beaten into the dirt until you can't tell the difference between his blood and mud! I can just picture him showing up at the door steps of a 9 year old girl with a marriage proposal for his grand father to a 9 year old girl uttering this same garbage gibberish to convince the father of the 9 year old daughter let his grandpa marry her! And the sad part is, if that father is illiterate and poor, he'll cave in too! PATHETIC! this guy is a vermin, and insect, a parasite that should crushed and eradicated!

the same thing for this guy! WHO GIVE A CRAP IF KING RICHARD THE WHATEVER MARRIED A 6 YEAR OLD FRENCH PRINCES?!?!?!?! The real issue in question is the authenticity of this so called "hadith"? NO one to this day, has been able to prove BEYOND the shadow of a doubt if it was authentic or not!

Again, stop talking out of your @$$ and leave the tafseer to people who are qualified to make such decisions.

You know nothing about Islam

 

[Nilgiri]

I doubt the stories from the West about arbitrary detentions in DPRK gulags.

I doubt the pravda stories as well....esp after Kruschev himself called out the crap that Stalin did prior. That in itself was a major slap to the system of Communism.

In an interview, Harpal Brar - Chairman of Communist Party of Great Britain ( Marxist-Leninst ) - said after visiting DPRK that the geography there is mountainous, generally difficult to farm. Add this to the need to have a military ready to face a super-power if need be.

Further add the sanctions on food. For example, I doubt DPRK can import beef from Argentina.

Not exactly a unbiased, neutral opinion. When have the DPRK even allowed neutral authorities like say the UN/WHO/FAO to check things on the ground comprehensively?

You realise remote sensing can tell a lot about land use right? Not to mention the fact that south koreans and north koreans were both the same height and overall health starting out (if land use was always worse on the north korean side, why weren't they always much shorter?).

Not to mention the famine in North Korea in early 90s was also largely due to the North Korean regime utter mismanagement.

Don't need to listen to me on this subject, you can read the far left socialist authors/commentators (like Noam Chomsky and Amartya Sen etc) on it. They have much to say on the great leap foward famine in China as well.

How did you arrive on the number, 100+ million??

The population of USSR in 1991 was 290+ million.

Communism was found only in the USSR? When you apply USSR + China + Eastern Europe + North Korea + Cuba + Latin America + Africa etc.....and add it all up over timescale of 20th century (100 years or so rather than select one population level of one country in 1991), more or less it comes to that figure (Holodomor, GLF and Gulags are the big 3 overall but also significant input from the Norks and Ethiopian Derg regimes).

You may want to read "The Black Book of Communism" (by Courtois) for starters to get the perspective on how the 100 million figure was reached.

 

[GumNaam]

@Hassan_Ishtiaq,
You just mistranslated the entire ayah of the Quran.
so, I did not translate anything at all, the screenshot I posted is NOT my translation, it is available on Quran.com, go look it up.

You don't even know what you're talking about.
And you do?

What qualifications do you have to make your own intepretations and force them on others?
Qualifications:
I have eyes and therefore I can READ!
I have brains and therefore I can THINK!
I have senses and therefore I can JUDGE!
That is ALL the qualifications anybody needs to understand Islam!

Are you affiliated with ISIS?
No, are you? I am imposing my interpretation on ANYONE...heck, I don't even HAVE an interpretation, I am going off of purely what the verses say. If someone agrees with it then well and good, but if someone doesn't then I would invite them to correct me BUT purely based on MERIT and EVIDENCE! This load horse manure about "ah what do you know? aaaah they dedicated their lives so they must know! aaah you this and you that" kinda garbage just is NOT gonna fly! So present your evidence THROUGH The Quran and the sunnah that counters what I said and I would be more than happy to correct myself. That is how it's gonna work and that is how it SHOULD work. But if you can't present the evidence then I shall invite you to...how should I say it...SHUT UP!

Again, stop talking out of your @$$ and leave the tafseer to people who are qualified to make such decisions.
Okay, so let's see who is talking thru their @$$! Let's see if I am talking through m @$$ or if YOU are talking through some molvi's @$$! Let's find out...

You know nothing about Islam
As I said...let's find out how much YOU know...

Ready? HERE WE GO!

So...for sake of argument, let's just suppose I know nothing. Okay? And let's suppose you know EVERYTHING since you were very pretty quick to dismiss all that I said. Since you obviously consider yourself qualified enough to dismiss what I said then that naturally means that you have a different interpretation, perhaps from a tafseer or a school of thought or a sect. RIGHT?! Okay so, MISTER MUFTI, LET'S BEGIN!

What I would like from you is the following:
1. All of the verses that I posted, give me their meaning. Tell me what they are. Forget what I said or posted, let's see what YOU say!
2. Backup your evidence regarding all that you say also from the sunnah
3. Present your evidence from the sahih ahadith WITH the following:
a. prove that the ahadith you present are authentic
b. provide the names in narration chains with the backgrounds.
c. prove that that it complies with The Quran and how does it comply with The Quran.

Again, I giving YOU the benefit of the doubt by saying that I know NOTHING while you know it ALL! So I'll play the student and YOU play the teacher. So...TEACH AWAY!

Okay? Ready - get set - aaaand - GO!

I'm waiting...

I know

acha yar jao, tumhari class ka time ho giya hay...paasay lag, getting bored of you now...

 

[Desert Fox]

I know right?

 

[GumNaam]

I know

@waz