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“TWO cities where people rarely agree on much of anything” was how Robert Blake, an assistant secretary at the American State Department, described Washington and Delhi this month. It was a joke but, in context, was rather close to the bone. Touting a blossoming friendship, America and India still find plenty to bicker about.

His speech was looking forward to the third annual US-India “Strategic Dialogue”, which brought together senior figures from both countries in Washington, DC, on June 13th. This is a celebration of a partnership by which both countries set great store. Yet the list of issues on which they are at odds is dispiritingly long: Afghanistan, Iran, nuclear trade, climate change, market access, arms sales and more. If this is partnership, some in both capitals ask, what would rivalry look like?

The impetus seems to have gone out of a relationship in which America invested so much under George W Bush. His decision, in 2005, to press for international acceptance of India’s civil nuclear programme, ending a ban on foreign assistance imposed because of India’s refusal to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, was meant to usher in a new era of co-operation and trust. Some of that evaporated early in the presidency of Barack Obama. India resented and successfully resisted his appointment of an envoy with a brief to meddle in India’s dispute with Pakistan over Kashmir. And it was alarmed by his effort to recast relations with China, and talk of a “G2”.

In America, meanwhile, the prizes won by Mr Bush’s huge concession to India can seem at best disappointing. Indian legislation about the liability for nuclear accidents in effect closes to American companies the very market Mr Bush sacrificed so much to prise open. Disgruntlement grew last year when American firms lost their bid to supply India with 126 jetfighters—India’s biggest-ever defence contract—to European competitors. Both sides have moved on, but still, says Daniel Twining, of the German Marshall Fund of the United States, a think-tank in Washington, “even the most ebullient supporters” of the partnership in America are “a bit depressed”.

Mr Twining, who worked on the partnership in the Bush administration, says that both sides remain confident in its long-term benefits—perhaps so confident that they neglect the mundane business of actually building it. Two factors, however, are pushing America to reinvigorate ties with India. The near-collapse in its relations with Pakistan gives India an even greater significance in America’s hopes for stability in Afghanistan when most NATO troops leave in 2014. And America’s aspirations for co-operative relations with China have degenerated into a more blatant if undeclared form of strategic competition, as America rebalances its entire military posture towards Asia.

So American leaders are again talking up the India relationship. In Delhi this month Leon Panetta, the defence secretary, called India a “linchpin” of the “rebalancing” strategy. After this week’s dialogue, Hillary Clinton, the secretary of state, noted that “the strategic fundamentals of our relationship are pushing our two countries’ interests into closer convergence.”

But India fears being left in the lurch as NATO skedaddles out of Afghanistan. Its security priority is to receive credible reassurances on plans for stabilising Afghanistan and ensuring it never again becomes a Talibanised client of Pakistan.


America, for its part, wants to see India further reduce imports of oil from Iran, with which Indian leaders like to boast of their “civilisational” ties. But on the eve of the dialogue, Mrs Clinton announced that India, unlike China or even Singapore, had already done enough to earn a waiver from American sanctions.

Hopes that something concrete might emerge from the dialogue were largely invested in economics. The two sides agreed to work on a bilateral investment treaty to unlock the huge potential for co-operation. In fact the one area where ties are flourishing—the jetfighter disappointment aside —is defence. India has become the world’s largest arms importer, and American exporters are benefiting, with more than $8 billion in sales in recent years.

Overall, however, America’s economic ties with India do not come close to the huge, symbiotic relations it has with China. India itself now does more trade with China ($74 billion in 2011) than it does with America ($58 billion). American officials would like to see the balance tip more in their country’s favour.

The unstated logic in both America and India behind the drive for closer relations is as a warning to China not to overreach itself and drive them into a fully fledged military alliance. It is still far short of that—more like a mutual feeling that India and America are closer in strategic and political outlook to each other than they are to China. For that reason, America has no qualms about India’s “Look East” policy of engagement with the rest of Asia, or even with its contemplating membership of the China-led regional security grouping focused on Central Asia, the Shanghai Co-operation Organisation.

Experience elsewhere in Asia suggests that America’s confidence in the long-term strength of its partnership with India need not be shaken even if China’s economic links with India continue to outpace its own. The great paradox of Asian strategy today is that the closer countries find themselves bound up with China economically, the more they seek the reassurance of American security.

India and America: Less than allies, more than friends | The Economist
 
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Indo-US ties, an affair of the heart: Hillary

Washington: Concising the diverse Indo-US ties in just four words; US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has described it as an "affair of the heart" with the usual ups and downs.

Hillary stood by remarks she made two years ago, when she described relations between Washington and New Delhi as an affair of the heart.

"With respect to affairs of the heart, they usually have ups and downs. But that doesn't make them any less heartfelt or any less of a commitment. So I feel as strongly today as I did two years ago," she said amidst laughter.

Her comments came during a joint press conference with External Affairs Minister S M Krishna following the third annual strategic dialogue between the two countries, which by all accounts would be her last one as the Secretary of State.



She also took dig at the media, saying journalists have a temptation to zero in on the differences.

".....I think that it's always a temptation to zero in on what the differences are. That is understandable and it certainly is to be expected by the press. That's part of your job," 64-year-old Hillary said.

"But whether it's one country or another or, in particular, India, I always look at the totality of the relationship. And I would be never in a position to say we don’t have differences.

"How could two great nations with our histories and our political systems these raucous, incredibly pluralistic democracies not have differences? That would be quite odd if that were the case."

"I am very positive about our relationship, and we will continue to work through the differences as they arise," she said.

Earlier Krishna while addressing the strategic dialogue said Indo-US bilateral engagement as well as global developments over the past three years has only strengthened the mutual commitment to this partnership.

In every field -- political, strategic, security, defence, intelligence, nuclear cooperation, space, trade and investment, energy, science and technology, higher education and empowerment the two countries are making tangible and continuous progress.

"What was once normal and unprecedented in our relationship is now almost routine and novel. In the process of our engagement, we have built something more precious -- friendship, good will, trust, mutual confidence, candour, and belief in the importance of a successful partnership," he said.

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Indo-US ties, an affair of the heart: Hillary
 
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It is in fact India and China which share most in common. India distrusts the USA, seeing just another foriegn power seeking to subjugate and dominate the country in the same way as the 'invading' Muslims did several centuries ago and the British colonialists did more recently. The United States is viewed just another imperialist power by India so America needs to be humoured but kept at a significant distance so as not to undermine India's own regional ambitions.

In the case of China, the US pivot to the Asia Pacific and commitment of 60% of its naval force to the region in the coming years resembles the gun-boat diplomacy of the 18th and 19th centuries. Both India and China still feel the sting of humiliation of centuries of foriegn invasion and diplomatic intervention and well know that America's growing presence in Asia will likely lead to conflict and war.

India and China have less to fear from each other than from an interventionist America in their own back yard. It is possible that we might see a new alignment between China, India and Russia to thwart American maneuvers in Asia but the opposite is equally likely of increasing hostility between the Asian powers as US presence in the region is bringing its own momentum which is very difficult to stop. We are already seeing trouble in the South China Sea and the sectarian violence in Myanmar either of which could turn into a conflagration that could invite western intervention and thus escalating the situation further for India and China.
 
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True friendships are based on honesty and disagreements and India and the USA are showing the world that they are true friends, they will disagree and they will argue but at the end of the day they will only strengthen their friendship, Hillary Clinton absolutely loves India, just the way she talks about the country etc.

She has worked the hardest in this new India-USA relations and she has done a great job, I think she is loved in India as well and the respect for her in India is huge, the Pakistanis and Chinese seem to be getting a bit burnt here? What are you guys afraid of?
 
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It is in fact India and China which share most in common. India distrusts the USA, seeing just another foriegn power seeking to subjugate and dominate the country in the same way as the 'invading' Muslims did several centuries ago and the British colonialists did more recently. The United States is viewed just another imperialist power by India so America needs to be humoured but kept at a significant distance so as not to undermine India's own regional ambitions.

In the case of China, the US pivot to the Asia Pacific and commitment of 60% of its naval force to the region in the coming years resembles the gun-boat diplomacy of the 18th and 19th centuries. Both India and China still feel the sting of humiliation of centuries of foriegn invasion and diplomatic intervention and well know that America's growing presence in Asia will likely lead to conflict and war.

India and China have less to fear from each other than from an interventionist America in their own back yard. It is possible that we might see a new alignment between China, India and Russia to thwart American maneuvers in Asia but the opposite is equally likely of increasing hostility between the Asian powers as US presence in the region is bringing its own momentum which is very difficult to stop. We are already seeing trouble in the South China Sea and the sectarian violence in Myanmar either of which could turn into a conflagration that could invite western intervention and thus escalating the situation further for India and China.

Your assessment is right and the Indian leaders and think tanks are wise enough to see through the American sweet talk.

However, America is the master of media manipulation and they are confident they can work the Indian public opinion to their advantage and create a rift between Indian and China. Many Indians now measure their country's strength by how well it 'stands up to' China.
 
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Your assessment is right and the Indian leaders and think tanks are wise enough to see through the American sweet talk.

However, America is the master of media manipulation and they are confident they can work the Indian public opinion to their advantage and create a rift between Indian and China. Many Indians now measure their country's strength by how well it 'stands up to' China.

How 'many', in your opinion, if I may ask?
 
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