LCB during KASOTC 16

[django]

Polish GROM have some really, really good kit and are up there with the world's best.

I don't think any Tier 1 unit uses M4s as their primary assault rifle/carbine. Most of the regular US Army carries that gun. A silenced HK416 seems to be the rifle/carbine of choice for a lot of Tier 1 operators.

Not sure about the Turks. Obviously it is hard to match the kit carried by the US Tier 1 Units due to the massive budget and technological prowess of the US economy --- but I think we could do with some essential upgrades.

Perhaps your right, though @DESERT FIGHTER is more authoritative on such matters than I

 

[Hell hound]

Polish GROM have some really, really good kit and are up there with the world's best.

I don't think any Tier 1 unit uses M4s as their primary assault rifle/carbine. Most of the regular US Army carries that gun. A silenced HK416 seems to be the rifle/carbine of choice for a lot of Tier 1 operators.

Not sure about the Turks. Obviously it is hard to match the kit carried by the US Tier 1 Units due to the massive budget and technological prowess of the US economy --- but I think we could do with some essential upgrades.

what additional equipment will be needed and what will be the cost per solider if we give him every thing he need to be considered teir 1.

 

[Bossman]

Polish GROM have some really, really good kit and are up there with the world's best.

I don't think any Tier 1 unit uses M4s as their primary assault rifle/carbine. Most of the regular US Army carries that gun. A silenced HK416 seems to be the rifle/carbine of choice for a lot of Tier 1 operators.

Not sure about the Turks. Obviously it is hard to match the kit carried by the US Tier 1 Units due to the massive budget and technological prowess of the US economy --- but I think we could do with some essential upgrades.

How do you know they are the world best, some Internet ranking done by an armchair expert? How many real mission have they conducted. On paper and on the parade ground all armies look good. It is the battle field which separates the boys from the men.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Perhaps your right, though @DESERT FIGHTER is more authoritative on such matters than I

Grom lol.. How many active operations has GROM being involved in apart from a few troops (part of NATO) in Afghanistan.. They have probably never even seen combat ...

Also it's a new unit and has nothing but some cool PS/graphics pics... Rather than any real operation under its belt.

 

[django]

Grom lol.. How many active operations has GROM being involved in apart from a few troops (part of NATO) in Afghanistan.. They have probably never even seen combat ...

Also it's a new unit and has nothing but some cool PS/graphics pics... Rather than any real operation under its belt.

Agreed, they only have a fraction if that of the experience that SSG have, I think @R Wing was referring to their kit.

 

[hkdas]

Grom lol.. How many active operations has GROM being involved in apart from a few troops (part of NATO) in Afghanistan.. They have probably never even seen combat

eerr..
if you have no idea then why are you commenting like an expert?? you have no idea about GROM. even tho they are created in 1990. they have more experience than your SSG. Grom being deployed in Afghanistan and Iraq since 2001. if you want to know about GROM, please read Chris Kyle's book American Sniper: The Autobiography of the Most Lethal Sniper in U.S. Military History , if you read it you will know how US navy seal respect a special mission unit like GROM. grom is one of very few unit in the world who get complete training of US navy's devgru, army delta and british SAS.

and finally. your SSG was trained by US army rangers, US never wanted DELTA guys to train your SSG, because they were are well aware of pakistan's double cross. while GROM was trained by DELTA, SAS and DEVGRU.

about the ranger's training program for your SSG... learn more in here... this article is written by US special forces officer..

With dramatis personae that include the CIA, Delta Force, DEVGRU, the Intelligence
Support Activity, Pakistani Commandos, the Taliban, and spies from Pakistan’s Inter-
Services Intelligence Agency (ISI), this story has the makings of a future Brad Thor
bestseller. The only difference is, this story happened over the course of an eight-month
period for a very small team of Army Rangers from the 75th Ranger Regiment.
It was early 2006. The place: Tarbela-Ghazi Airbase in Pakistan, headquarters for the
Pakistani Commandos, officially identified as the Special Services Group—one of the
premiere special-operations forces of the Pakistani military. Tarbela, a mere two-hour drive
from the capital of Islamabad, also acts as the forward point of countless military offensive
operations in Pakistan’s northwest frontier.
For the JSOC and CIA personnel who have been operating in this region for years, supporting
both Operation Enduring Freedom and the war in northwest Pakistan, it was the war-fighting
business as usual. For the seven Army Rangers chosen to embark on the unusually long eightmonth
deployment (Rangers typically deploy for three month at a time), it was a break from
the monotony of direct-action missions throughout Iraq and Afghanistan.
This wasn’t an ordinary operation for the men of the 75th Ranger Regiment, whose mandate
in foreign internal defense/advising operations are practically nonexistent. The CIA and
JSOC forces on the ground were incredibly busy hunting down al-Qaeda and senior Taliban
commanders in the tribal regions, creating target packages for drone strikes—some of which
originated out of the Tarbela airbase. What they needed was a capable ground force.
Pakistani commando (SSG) trainee.
CIA-funded and trained paramilitary units such as the Counterterrorist Pursuit Team and the
Khost Protection Force didn’t have the capability of operating so deep into Pakistan’s tribal
regions—nor the political leverage to do so. What they needed were hunter-killers from the
Pakistani Army who could conduct offensive operations from the east. The most obvious
choice was the Special Services Group; these commandos, numbering anywhere from 5,000
to 7,000, were headquartered 60 miles from the tribal regions, and already had a solid
foundation of combat training and experience.
With a ground plan in motion, the CIA sent a formal request to JSOC and the Department of
Defense, specifically requesting senior members of the 75th Ranger Regiment to lead a 12-
week train-up for the Pakistani commandos. The CIA needed their capabilities to mirror that
of the Rangers’—quick, direct-action raids, advanced infantry maneuvers, and air
assault/fast-roping infiltrations. What the CIA didn’t need were Delta/DEVGRU operators
training the Pakistanis in counter-terrorism or hostage-rescue operations, nor Green Berets
training them in basic infantry tasks.
The seven Rangers included squad leaders, platoon sergeants, tactical communicators, and
reconnaissance specialists on assignment with the Regimental Headquarters—men who
had spent years training Rangers newly assigned to the battalions. For that eight-month
period, the Rangers were directly assigned to the Central Intelligence Agency. This granted
the Rangers protection under ‘Title 50’—the U.S. code for undertaking covert warfare and
espionage to include the judicial protection of those men who conduct it, which is normally
exclusive to the CIA. This was as opposed to ‘Title 10’, under which the standard military
falls. With that important distinction also came the financially lucrative CIA overseas per
diem pay normally reserved for its case officers and the paramilitary personnel from the
Special Activities Division.
The seven Rangers were now part of ‘CFT Tarbela’, or cross-functional team—a small U.S.
force comprised of CIA personnel, Delta/DEVGRU operators, and regardless of the CIAs
numerous petitions, members from the Intelligence Support Activity, whose contention and
mutual loathing with the CIA has been raging since the unit’s inception. This clandestine task
force would be directed by Operational Control Element Islamabad, or simply ‘OCE Ibad’,
the main CIA strength in the country.
In that three-month training period, the Rangers ran the Pakistani commandos through the
same type of train-up one could expect as a new member to the 75th right before a
deployment. Live-fire exercises, fast-roping, direct-action raids, air assaults, detainee
handling, sensitive-site exploitation, room clearing, night shooting, and countless other
advanced light-infantry tactics.
The Rangers and JSOC personnel forward-deployed with the Pakistanis, conducting raids
against al-Qaeda, the Taliban, and the Haqqani network. In retrospect and in consideration of
the bigger picture, it was an extremely politically sensitive operation. U.S.-Pakistani relations
were and still are mediocre at best. The two countries would share intelligence every so often,
and occasionally the CIA would throw a target package their way to strike. But for the most
part, the Pakistanis allowed—more-so tolerated, and never endorsed—U.S. intelligence and
special-operations personnel to operate within their borders in exchange for our annual and
overly-generous State Department financial aid.
Forward advising in the frontier provinces side-by-side, the way our forces have operated
with Afghans and Iraqis, was virtually unheard of in Pakistan. To any reader, it sounds as if
the program was a success both operationally and politically—bringing two rivals together.
Unfortunately, this story concludes with an adverse finale. Spies, technically state-sponsored
double agents from Pakistan’s ISI, clandestinely embedded themselves with the commandos
during the Ranger-led training. CIA case officers discovered reliable intelligence that proved
Pakistani ISI agents were traveling to Taliban training camps in Waziristan and Quetta and
disseminating what they learned to the enemy.
The CIA pulled the plug on the Ranger-Commando program, and many of the U.S. personnel
redeployed stateside. Agency personnel who were part of the drone program remained in
Tarbela for years to come. In September 2007, months after the Ranger advisors left, an
officer with the Ranger-trained Pakistani commandos walked into the Tarbela chow hall and
detonated his explosive vest, killing 19 of his fellow commandos and injuring dozens more.
Multiple CIA and NSA personnel were reported to have been present during the attack.

http://sofrep.com/37934/75th-ranger-regiment-soldiers-go-covert-pakistan/

Thanks for the information, guys! Firstly, let me point out that I have immense respect for Zarrar (and Karrar/SOTF) for their incredible bravery and skill. Two very close family members have served in these units and have partaken in some mind-blowing operations that could fill a hundred Hollywood scripts.

My understanding is this, and please correct me if I'm wrong. Zarrar does not have access to the very latest in NVG tech (i.e. the likes being used by Seal Team 6 with 4+ lenses for a fielder FOV).

Most Zarrar operators seem to be using rifles very similar to the ones issued to regular commando battalions.

SCAR and other such rifles are available with most Tier 2 units worldwide (e.g. US Rangers, SF, etc.). Most Tier 1 units (i.e. Delta Force, ST6, etc.) typically don't have any "standard" firearms. Each person has a near-unlimited budget to test, customise and use the firearms that they think they are best with. Many ST6 operators, for example, use an HK 416 as their primary rifle.

I can get more specifics and get back to you guys. BTW did you guys see Wajahat S Khan's feature on them? It might be a deception tactic, but their kit didn't look anything close to what I've noted US Tier 1 ops carrying.

USSOCOM annual budget is more than 8 billion $. while your entair defense budget is 10 billion. so don't expect your special forces to equipped similar to that of USSOCOM or GROM. grom being a small unit don't require much for equipping their soldiers. total active duty personals in polish defense force is about 120,000, while your armed force have a strength of 617,000 active duty personals. your SSG's total strength is about 7000 to 8000, polish grom have only
650 personnel. . you cannot afford to equip your SF soldiers par with groms even tho both pakistan and Poland have almost similar defense budget.

 

[django]

eerr..
if you have no idea then why are you commenting like an expert?? you have no idea about GROM. even tho they are created in 1990. they have more experience than your SSG. Grom being deployed in Afghanistan and Iraq since 2001. if you want to know about GROM, please read Chris Kyle's book American Sniper: The Autobiography of the Most Lethal Sniper in U.S. Military History , if you read it you will know how US navy seal respect a special mission unit like GROM. grom is one of very few unit in the world who get complete training of US navy's devgru, army delta and british SAS.

and finally. your SSG was trained by US army rangers, US never wanted DELTA guys to train your SSG, because they were are well aware of pakistan's double cross. while GROM was trained by DELTA, SAS and DEVGRU.

about the ranger's training program for your SSG... learn more in here... this article is written by US special forces officer..




USSOCOM annual budget is more than 8 billion $. while your entair defense budget is 10 billion. so don't expect your special forces to equipped similar to that of USSOCOM or GROM. grom being a small unit don't require much for equipping their soldiers. total active duty personals in polish defense force is about 120,000, while your armed force have a strength of 617,000 active duty personals. your SSG's total strength is about 7000 to 8000, polish grom have only
650 personnel. . you cannot afford to equip your SF soldiers par with groms even tho both pakistan and Poland have almost similar defense budget.

As for that nonsense or rather tales from some gung ho yank with an over active imagination, the only training the SSG received from Yanks was when new helicopters were delivered and that too was in a very limited manner. Rangers training is not required by SSG, at the very least check your sources before posting your drivel, it is from a ex members of US miltary site sharing so called combat stories, you ******** truly are a desperate bunch hahahahhahahahahahha

 

[hkdas]

As for that nonsense or rather tales from some gung ho yank with an over active imagination, the only training the SSg received from Yanks was when new helicopters were delivered and that to was in a very limited manner. Rangers training is not required by SSG

it is not my problem that you can't accept the fact. if US special forces guy is a "gung ho yank" to you, then it is your concern. and what makes you think that US will allow your special forces to be trained like their Tier-1 unit?? CIA is not a foolish organisation. they know what you are.. they don't trust you. pakistan is know for its double cross. they are well aware of your double stand on terrorism. may be it is you who thinks that SSG don't need ranger's training.. but the fact is different.

 

[django]

it is not my problem that you can't accept the fact. if US special forces guy is a "gung ho yank" to you, then it your concern. and what makes you think that US will allow your special forces to be trained like their Tier-1 unit?? CIA is not a foolish organisation. they know what you are.. they don't trust you. pakistan is know for its double cross. they are well aware of your double stand on terrorism. may be it is you who thinks that SSG don't need ranger's training.. but the fact is different.

What fact, these are fables ,told by folks across a forum, the next one we might hear might be about some ex Delta operative who cleaned up an alien breakout in Area 51 sshhhhhhhhhhh top secret dont tell anyone,.. I can not believe you bought that tripe out as an authentic source we should take heed of.. And no SSG never trained with US army rangers, who are more similar in doctrine to LCB and use similar training manuals. As for trust, no body trusts anyone when it comes to statecraft, every nation has divergent interests yet their is still some cooperation, you think Hindia and Yanks have the same linear interests lol yet do they not hold military exercises lol .....beside our special forces are mature enough to evolve their own tactics based on their regional requirements and environment. Do not bother responding you troll as you lost all rights to engage with me when you bought that ridiculous veterans website as a grade A authentic source lol.

 

[hkdas]

What fact, these are fables ,told by folks across a forum, the next one we might hear might be about some ex Delta operative who cleaned up an alien breakout in Area 51 sshhhhhhhhhhh top secret dont tell anyone,.. I can not believe you bought that tripe out as an authentic source we should take heed of.. And no SSG never trained with US army rangers, who are more similar in doctrine to LCB and use similar training manuals. As for trust, no body trusts anyone when it comes to statecraft, every nation has divergent interests yet their is still some cooperation, you think Hindia and Yanks have the same linear interests lol yet do they not hold military exercises lol .....beside our special forces are mature enough to evolve their own tactics based on their regional requirements and environment. Do not bother responding you troll as you lost all rights to engage with me when you bought that ridiculous veterans website as a grade A authentic source lol.

sofrep.com is famous blog. that blog is admined and operated by former and active duty special forces guys... that is why you need to subscribe to read the articles in it.. many news related to special forces deployed in afghanistan and middle east are 1st reported in this site.

and for US army ranger... they are not a pathetic force like your so called LCB. they are quick reaction force of US army. they are the one who are deployed in the combat zone even before DELTAs or green berets came in. 70% of delta operators are former ranger. trained in operating in all terrain, they are specialized in high altitude para jumping, there are very few difference b/w rangers and green berets training, former is not trained in FID while green berets are specialized in FID, green berets are more intelligent guys, trained to work independently without much support. while rangers are strictly "follow orders" type unit.

india and US conducts joint exercise and joint training because we have many common interest, and they knows that we don't double cross them. and we don't have any double stand on terrorists like pakistan have. be have much common intrest... "china". and india have much experience in CT,CI operations, US armyw ant to learn from us that is why US send their special forces and regular army to trained in various indian army's training school. pakistan have nothing US forces want.
what you think, why did US army green berets stop conducting exercises with SSG?? why there was no "Inspired Venture" series exercise after 9/11?? it is all about national interest. that is why US is always asking for more military- military cooperation with india.

 

[Bossman]

sofrep.com is famous blog. that blog is admined and operated by former and active duty special forces guys... that is why you need to subscribe to read the articles in it.. many news related to special forces deployed in afghanistan and middle east are 1st reported in this site.

and for US army ranger... they are not a pathetic force like your so called LCB. they are quick reaction force of US army. they are the one who are deployed in the combat zone even before DELTAs or green berets came in. 70% of delta operators are former ranger. trained in operating in all terrain, they are specialized in high altitude para jumping, there are very few difference b/w rangers and green berets training, former is not trained in FID while green berets are specialized in FID, green berets are more intelligent guys, trained to work independently without much support. while rangers are strictly "follow orders" type unit.

india and US conducts joint exercise and joint training because we have many common interest, and they knows that we don't double cross them. and we don't have any double stand on terrorists like pakistan have. be have much common intrest... "china". and india have much experience in CT,CI operations, US armyw ant to learn from us that is why US send their special forces and regular army to trained in various indian army's training school. pakistan have nothing US forces want.
what you think, why did US army green berets stop conducting exercises with SSG?? why there was no "Inspired Venture" series exercise after 9/11?? it is all about national interest. that is why US is always asking for more military- military cooperation with india.

You are a naive person or a kid. India did not have a real special force until one was created and trained by the Israelis few years ago. In terms of experience they are generations behind Pakistani special forces. Your black cats are nothing but glamorized VIP body guards and the only thing you had before that were your Para Commando regiments.

Also what you call double games, we call self interest. As far as Americans are concerned we have been dealing with them since the early 50s, you are new to the game. We understand them better than you do and we treat them accordingly. Unlike the Indians despite working with the Americans we were never mentally or culturally subservient to them. You consider Americans as Gods and the only thing you want is their acceptance.

 

[django]

sofrep.com is famous blog. that blog is admined and operated by former and active duty special forces guys... that is why you need to subscribe to read the articles in it.. many news related to special forces deployed in afghanistan and middle east are 1st reported in this site.

and for US army ranger... they are not a pathetic force like your so called LCB. they are quick reaction force of US army. they are the one who are deployed in the combat zone even before DELTAs or green berets came in. 70% of delta operators are former ranger. trained in operating in all terrain, they are specialized in high altitude para jumping, there are very few difference b/w rangers and green berets training, former is not trained in FID while green berets are specialized in FID, green berets are more intelligent guys, trained to work independently without much support. while rangers are strictly "follow orders" type unit.

india and US conducts joint exercise and joint training because we have many common interest, and they knows that we don't double cross them. and we don't have any double stand on terrorists like pakistan have. be have much common intrest... "china". and india have much experience in CT,CI operations, US armyw ant to learn from us that is why US send their special forces and regular army to trained in various indian army's training school. pakistan have nothing US forces want.
what you think, why did US army green berets stop conducting exercises with SSG?? why there was no "Inspired Venture" series exercise after 9/11?? it is all about national interest. that is why US is always asking for more military- military cooperation with india.

I previously informed you that "you lost all rights to engage with me" what part of this statement does your diminutive little mind not comprehend. Go find another playmate to troll you pathetic little cretin.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

eerr..
if you have no idea then why are you commenting like an expert?? you have no idea about GROM. even tho they are created in 1990. they have more experience than your SSG.

Don't insult my intelligence you bafoon..
GROM was part of the polish interior ministry ... Like domestic anti terrorist units ... And became Polands top tier in 99.

SSG has been in active since 1950s.
And which experience did GROM gain from a few missions with ISAF forces in Iraq or NATO in its entire service?

SSG has been conducting ops around the globe .. It has established several SFs of friendly nations from SriLanka to Nigeria .. From UAE to Jordan etc..

It has operated on all continents .. Against force like the USSR (inside soviet territory).. And according to US authors wiped out GRUs in A'stan.. (Although I wouldn't post the link knowing you will not accept that coz of your burning rectum).

Grom being deployed in Afghanistan and Iraq since 2001. if you want to know about GROM, please read Chris Kyle's book American Sniper: The Autobiography of the Most Lethal Sniper in U.S. Military History , if you read it you will know how US navy seal respect a special mission unit like GROM. grom is one of very few unit in the world who get complete training of US navy's devgru, army delta and british SAS.

Chris Kyle my *** .. He was a Fukin bigot whose lies in his autobiography have been busted by many.. His filthy words for Iraqis and many more his biggoted views have been recorded .. So don't give me that shyt !

and finally. your SSG was trained by US army rangers, US never wanted DELTA guys to train your SSG, because they were are well aware of pakistan's double cross. while GROM was trained by DELTA, SAS and DEVGRU.

You dickhead .. SSG was raised with help from US Green Berets & SAS in the 50s...

US forces regularly train with SSG .. Just last months they were training at Cherat .. Although we don't leak info on such trainings .. Only few international exs detailed are given to media for some reason!

Apart from that we have mutual training (exchange) programs..

How do I know? Because my cousin was the officer who was tasked with the arrangements.

about the ranger's training program for your SSG... learn more in here... this article is written by US special forces officer..

Quiet a shyt head this "author" (of this article)..

With all the factually incorrect gay Arse crap he has mentioned .. As a reward he gets to suck my dick.

Rangers never trained SSG at Tarbela rather they were training Frontier Corps which was nothing but a second rate tribal police force with armed with obsolete rifles and WWI & II helmets in the mid 2000s (today they are at the forfront of the fights,having their own SF - the SOG ...
And are equipped with almost everything from IFVs,Tanks to light arty and even an Aviation wing)!


The trained was discontinued after Pak-US relations took a nose dive & info about US forces training FC & CIAs station chief were released by Pak media forcing the govt to shut down the US training program!

@django.



Dumb **** also doesn't know that SSG HQ is in Cherat... And the no "SSG , commando officer" was involved in the terrorist suicide attack that happened (as a result of red mosque operation) in Attock and not Tarbela airbase .. Where the alleged US Rangers were training SSG the basic shyt that's even known to the regular troops or the QRF troops!

So much for the douchbagery of this alleged US SF "officer" and the shyt he wrote with the shyt he imagined through his brain (which lies in his Arse).



Again an article with zero credibility.. To show off nothing but your stupidity which is oozing out!

USSOCOM annual budget is more than 8 billion $. while your entair defense budget is 10 billion. so don't expect your special forces to equipped similar to that of USSOCOM

Nobody's making that claim... That somehow SSGs black budget can be compared with that of US SFs.

r GROM. grom being a small unit don't require much for equipping their soldiers. total active duty personals in polish defense force is about 120,000, while your armed force have a strength of 617,000 active duty personals. your SSG's total strength is about 7000 to 8000, polish grom have only
650 personnel. . you cannot afford to equip your SF soldiers par with groms even tho both pakistan and Poland have almost similar defense budget.

Again your stupidity knows no bounds ... SSG (Army's) strength is classified and nowhere near that 7000,8000 number you pulled out of your bum!

SSG has only 1 division commanded by a Major General !

And their budget isn't known either 10 billion is excluding the R&D,Pay/pension budget alloted to the military which is also supplemented by FFG profits... Apart from US assistance to Pak mil !

As for their equipment.. They are no doubt the best equipped force in the entire region ! They certainly don't run away with mismatched camos,ancient BPJs & helmets !

 

[R Wing]

Agreed, they only have a fraction if that of the experience that SSG have, I think @R Wing was referring to their kit.

Yup, I was referring to the kit mainly. SSG operational experience is top notch --- certainly leaps and bounds ahead of anyone in the region.

How do you know they are the world best, some Internet ranking done by an armchair expert? How many real mission have they conducted. On paper and on the parade ground all armies look good. It is the battle field which separates the boys from the men.

Internet lists are sad jokes used by online warriors to assuage their insecurities. I was referring to their kit mainly --- also they do joint ops with DEVGRU/Delta so obviously they can't be that bad.

SSG has a wealth of experience, no doubt.

eerr..
if you have no idea then why are you commenting like an expert?? you have no idea about GROM. even tho they are created in 1990. they have more experience than your SSG. Grom being deployed in Afghanistan and Iraq since 2001. if you want to know about GROM, please read Chris Kyle's book American Sniper: The Autobiography of the Most Lethal Sniper in U.S. Military History , if you read it you will know how US navy seal respect a special mission unit like GROM. grom is one of very few unit in the world who get complete training of US navy's devgru, army delta and british SAS.

and finally. your SSG was trained by US army rangers, US never wanted DELTA guys to train your SSG, because they were are well aware of pakistan's double cross. while GROM was trained by DELTA, SAS and DEVGRU.

about the ranger's training program for your SSG... learn more in here... this article is written by US special forces officer..




USSOCOM annual budget is more than 8 billion $. while your entair defense budget is 10 billion. so don't expect your special forces to equipped similar to that of USSOCOM or GROM. grom being a small unit don't require much for equipping their soldiers. total active duty personals in polish defense force is about 120,000, while your armed force have a strength of 617,000 active duty personals. your SSG's total strength is about 7000 to 8000, polish grom have only
650 personnel. . you cannot afford to equip your SF soldiers par with groms even tho both pakistan and Poland have almost similar defense budget.

How ignorant are you? There have been repeated mentions of the "Tier 1" units within the SSG --- not the entire division-sized SSG.

 

[hkdas]

How ignorant are you? There have been repeated mentions of the "Tier 1" units within the SSG --- not the entire division-sized SSG.

just categorising them as Tier 1 unit don't help in equipping them in par with tier 1 unit of US or Poland.
Poland defense force with 10 billion $ have only 1.2 lakh soldiers in their defense force. while you have 7 lakh soldier to be equipped with your 10 billion $. so don't expect each soldiers of your Tier 1 unit to be equipped in the same level poland is providing to Grom.

I previously informed you that "you lost all rights to engage with me" what part of this statement does your diminutive little mind not comprehend. Go find another playmate to troll you pathetic little cretin.

buddy, if you couldn't argue with me then you better keep quite.

You are a naive person or a kid. India did not have a real special force until one was created and trained by the Israelis few years ago. In terms of experience they are generations behind Pakistani special forces. Your black cats are nothing but glamorized VIP body guards and the only thing you had before that were your Para Commando regiments.

Also what you call double games, we call self interest. As far as Americans are concerned we have been dealing with them since the early 50s, you are new to the game. We understand them better than you do and we treat them accordingly. Unlike the Indians despite working with the Americans we were never mentally or culturally subservient to them. You consider Americans as Gods and the only thing you want is their acceptance.

you have no idea about india special forces... our special forces is constantly deployed in insurgency. you think your so called WoT give you more experience than indian special forces?? you are wrong. we are fighting different type of terrorism since early 70s, that is why many NATO, Russian and Israeli special forces came to india for training. what your special forces are doing is what US trained you to do. your fighting against terrorism starts a decade ago. while we have decades of experience in fighting. and at least accept the fact that indian special forces always defeated your SO called SSG in every battle. your SSg was kicked out of siachen by some indian army infantry soldier.