LCA Tejas is inferior to JF-17 Thunder Block III: Chinese expert

[Secularindian]

Pardon to contradict ... at least most of us were surprised, that PAK managed to manufacture several additional JF-17 Block 2 and - if I'm not mistaken up to 12 JF-17B - without any huge fanfare, while at the same time HAL built how many MKI and not to mention how many LCAs??

To mention HAL and the connect it with "production rate" and "good" let even "better" is a joke.

HAL Produced Aircraft since 50's
From Jags To Migs That Include Over haul all tech,Helos ,

HAL produced 190+ MKi's And Up for Additional orders

HAL is ranked in the 34 position among the top 100 global aerospace industries. As on date, HAL has produced or overhauled 1,416 aircraft (of 17 types) of indigenous design, 2,097 aircraft (of 14 type) under license and a total of 5,015 aero engines. The turnover of the company during 2017-2018.
While PAC not even in to 100

https://theprint.in/india/governanc...-arms-producers-hal-in-top-100-report/166052/

https://www.newsclick.in/hal-ranks-higher-frances-dassault-defence-market-presence

https://www.aeromag.in/aerospacesingle.php?aero=308

 

[Deino]

HAL Produced Aircraft since 50's
From Jags To Migs That Include Over haul all tech

HAL produced 190+ MKi's And Up for Additional orders

HAL Is 38th In rank of global manufacturing Aerospace firms While PAC is not In top 100

Please stick to the point - and the poster above compared only the MKI and Tejas vs. the Thunder - not what was in history. So what was the production rate of MKIs at HAL last year? That was the question, nothing more.

 

[Secularindian]

So what was the production rate of MKIs at HAL last year? That was the question, nothing more.

In the last financial year(2018), the HAL produced 41 new aircraft / helicopters and 98 new engines and has carried out overhaul of 213 aircraft / helicopters and 540 engines. HAL’s R&D projects are on track and are tailor made for the requirement of the armed forces, HAL said in a press release.Defense PSU HAL has recorded a turnover of Rs. 19,400(2.8 Billion $) crore for the financial year ended on March 31.


Read more at:
https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...ofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

Block 3 is not flying??? Well, then tell me this one does what??

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Agree! just started flying by China.... still in testing phase.. Author, compared two aircrafts:

As per the article:

Two Important points (As per chinese expert):

1. Judging from the performance of the LCA “Tejas” fighter aircraft which has reached the state of full operational capability, it is at the same level as the JF-17 “Thunder” Block II fighter.


2. However, with the smooth progress of the new generation JF-17 Thunder Block III fighter improvement project, the performance of the LCA Tejas fighter (FOC) has lagged behind.

Jf 17 block 3 and HAL Tejas MK1a : should be compared, not HAL tejas (FOC)

 

[Lincoln]

Agree! just started flying by China.... still in testing phase.. Author, compared two aircrafts:

However, with the smooth progress of the new generation JF-17 Thunder Block III fighter improvement project, the performance of the LCA Tejas fighter (FOC) has lagged behind.

Jf 17 block 3 and HAL Tejas MK1a : should be compared, not HAL tejas (FOC)

The testing phase is probably complete by now. It is meant to be inducted into service and be ready for combat by the end of this year.


Either way, what a bad arguing on this thread. Bottomline is that it doesn't matter which aircraft is more superior if it isn't insanely better like an F-35, or doesn't boast of an insane capability in one of its roles.

1. JF-17 Block III will be greater in number, have more flying hours and used a lot more often in combat compared to the Tejas. That's fairly obvious. The Tejas lacks a real time combat history, and has not seen enough engagements in international exercises.

2. If it's true that the JF-17 Block III will be integrated with a PL-15 AAM then that's a game changer. This BVR missile is China's solution to the European METEOR and to the American AIM-120D. Israeli Astra is not a competitor. In fact, integration of PL-15 on Block III is a threat to Indian Rafales, it could mean that despite the 36 orders, they could still be overwhelmed because what's the point if your BVR range doesn't outdo the opponent.

3. It comes down to the pilot skills more than the aircraft, and how they strategize.

 

[bananarepublic]

There's no other way

In the past, Vietnam chose to buy israel's Galil assault rifle, not Russia's ak-100. Because of the cheaper price of Israel, another reason is that Israel is willing to transfer more technology to Vietnam. However, there is no way to 100% homemade because the Vietnamese industry is not strong enough to create suitable steel billets. And neither country is willing to transfer technology related to metallurgy

This is not the only problem with Vietnam, it is similar to every country in the world

So the fact that Vietnam with one of the largest automobile industry in the world cannot produce billets for guns ..while Pakistan with a barely functional automobile and machine industry has been manufacturing arms and ammunition since the 60s?

 

[Rafale+Meteor+Spectra]

Pardon to contradict ... at least most of us were surprised, that PAK managed to manufacture several additional JF-17 Block 2 and - if I'm not mistaken up to 12 JF-17B - without any huge fanfare, while at the same time HAL built how many MKI and not to mention how many LCAs??

To mention HAL and the connect it with "production rate" and "good" let even "better" is a joke.

Please don't compare PAC with mighty HAL.

These production figure alone shows that HAL is far superior:

On Monday, a HAL statement said: “In FY18-19, HAL has produced 41 new aircraft/helicopters and 98 new engines and has carried out overhaul of 213 aircraft/helicopters and 540 engines.”

HAL sources say they built 11 Sukhoi-30MKI and seven Tejas fighters in the year just gone by, as well as five Dornier-228 aircraft, three Cheetal light helicopters and 15 Dhruv advanced helicopters, totalling 41 aircraft.


In addition, it has overhauled 15 Sukhoi-30MKI (up from 11 the previous year), Kiran trainers and a large number of helicopters and upgraded several Mirage 2000 and Jaguar fighters.

Anyways JF-17 Blk.3 should be compared with Tejas Mk1A not Tejas Mk1FOC.far

 

[bananarepublic]

hahahaha even the africans cannot stand indians... got kicked out of almost every african country they cant stand your stench and shady business practices world over

The expulsion of by idi amin was done as a political stunt for amassing more power and an ideological move to show black superiority.
The expulsion also had many Pakistani origin and Muslims forcefully kicked out..

And you comment shows how pathetic your mindset is try to be more civil .

 

[Rafale+Meteor+Spectra]

1. JF-17 Block III will be greater in number, have more flying hours and used a lot more often in combat compared to the Tejas. That's fairly obvious. The Tejas lacks a real time combat history, and has not seen enough engagements in international exercises.

2. If it's true that the JF-17 Block III will be integrated with a PL-15 AAM then that's a game changer. This BVR missile is China's solution to the European METEOR and to the American AIM-120D. Israeli Astra is not a competitor. In fact, integration of PL-15 on Block III is a threat to Indian Rafales, it could mean that despite the 36 orders, they could still be overwhelmed because what's the point if your BVR range doesn't outdo the opponent.

JF-17 has no air combat history. Could not fire a single A2A missile on Feb 27, 2019 despite 6:1 numericla superiority.
Only 50 BLk 3 ordered whereas IAF has ordered 83 Tejas Mk1A.

-Meteor is far superior to PL-15. Pl-15 still uses older dual pulse prop whereas Meteor has far superior Ramjet.
PL-15 is only slightly superior to AIM-120D (35-40 km NEZ compared to 120Ds 35 km) wheread Meteor NEZ is 60-70 km.

 

[zhxy]

So the fact that Vietnam with one of the largest automobile industry in the world cannot produce billets for guns ..while Pakistan with a barely functional automobile and machine industry has been manufacturing arms and ammunition since the 60s?

The reason why the US bombed Japan successfully but failed in Vietnam. Because the industrial base of northern Vietnam during the war was zero. Exactly, the United States bombed a pure agricultural nation. During the Vietnam War, almost 100% of the weapons and supplies used in North Vietnam were aid goods from the Soviet Union and China.

Currently, Vietnam is capable of producing some basic weapons such as infantry guns, 105 mm caliber guns, grenades, anti-tank weapons.
Heavy artillery, machine guns and missiles are out of reach.

 

[bananarepublic]

Please don't compare PAC with mighty HAL.

These production figure alone shows that HAL is fsuperior:


Anyways JF-17 Blk.3 should be compared with Tejas Mk1A not Tejas Mk1FOC.far

The mighty HAL has a track record of a defunct company.
The French refuse to guarantee and certify any rafale produced by HAL , tejas has been in development for 40+ years and has gone from point defense to multi role to a M2000 analogous and might become a "spaceship" in the near future.
And lets not forget the fiasco where newly built MKIs were beind fitted with used engines ....

JF-17 has no air combat history. Could not fire a single A2A missile on Feb 27, 2019 despite 6:1 numericla superiority.
Only 50 BLk 3 ordered whereas IAF has ordered 83 Tejas Mk1A.

-Meteor is far superior to PL-15. Pl-15 still uses older dual pulse prop whereas Meteor has far superior Ramjet.
PL-15 is only slightly superior to AIM-120D (35-40 km NEZ compared to 120Ds 35 km) wheread Meteor NEZ is 60-70 km.

From various airkills of drones to dropping REKS on india 27th February.
To numerous CAP missions on the pak-indian border.
The JF-17 has a better and more mature record than the tejas..
And quick question how many air to air kills does the whole su-30 fleet in the world has?

The reason why the US bombed Japan successfully but failed in Vietnam. Because the industrial base of northern Vietnam during the war was zero. Exactly, the United States bombed a pure agricultural nation. During the Vietnam War, almost 100% of the weapons and supplies used in North Vietnam were aid goods from the Soviet Union and China.

Currently, Vietnam is capable of producing some basic weapons such as infantry guns, 105 mm caliber guns, grenades, anti-tank weapons.
Heavy artillery, machine guns and missiles are out of reach.

Understandable small arms are not hard to manufacture you only need good materials for the barrel and bolt assembly, rest can be easily done by any good machinist.
Next step is local production and i have heard that Vietnam has a very big civilian arms market and the most best in the region

 

[Ultima Thule]

Anyways JF-17 Blk.3 should be compared with Tejas Mk1A not Tejas Mk1FOC.far

how we compare a fighter jet that expected to fly in future, think logically, and you guys (Indians) always claims that your mighty vedic 1000000000000 gen/out of this universe Tej@$$ is better than F-22/F-35

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

how we compare a fighter jet that expected to fly in future, think logically, and you guys (Indians) always claims that your mighty vedic 1000000000000 gen/out of this universe Tej@$$ is better than F-22/F-35

Same goes to JF17 block 3........because still in testing phase by China.

 

[GumNaam]

Same goes to JF17 block 3........because still in testing phase by China.

And how far has the testing gone, are you even aware of it? It's weapons integration now babaaay!

 

[Ultima Thule]

Same goes to JF17 block 3........because still in testing phase by China.

Testing phase is over only induction will starts later this year we are not designing new jet from scratch block 3 is a basically avionics upgrades of block 2 but your MK1A will have design changes so it will takes longer time to be matured