LCA-Tejas inherits ” Stealth features ” due to its small size : Chinese media

[My-Analogous]

LCA is already operational. It will be LCA MK1+ which will come in 2018 and will operational in next 2 and half years.

It is not operational and after first sqdr we can stated that but operational capabilities is that it can perform all operations we refer as multi roller fighters and it have all required weapons and this is very big task to perform and it requires both softwares and hardwares and that is why i think HAL will take more time because for one weapon integration minimum time spend is four to six months and some time it will take 2 to 3 years for one weapon due to many reasons.

 

[Lotus_stalk]

LCA with its superior AESA radar, avionics and Engine is an overkill for JF17... Fit Tejas with long range BVR missiles and then JF17 becomes just cannon fodder for LCA.... In BVR combat JF17 is simply no match for Tejas due to technology...

 

[Surya 1]

Stealth on any gen 4 is just a propaganda by its makers at most,any aircraft carrying weapons outside its belly will negate the low RCS things.

It is not a total stealth like F 35 but low observability. You can not detect the plane from a very long distance.

 

[My-Analogous]

Thunder dont have any Composite , its full metal plane and with full of rivets ... So even in structure u have rivets.

RAM coating is very hard to achieve , check if your have technology of RAM coating?

RAM coating is not very hard to achieve but very hard to maintain and composite material is different game to achieve. Regarding JF17, yes JF17 have composite material and in every block composite material share increases and installed on JF17. please follow JF17 thunder thread to know more about the plane

LCA with its superior AESA radar, avionics and Engine is an overkill for JF17... Fit Tejas with long range BVR missiles and then JF17 becomes just cannon fodder for LCA.... In BVR combat JF17 is simply no match for Tejas due to technology...

This thread is about LCA so stick to the topic and regarding AESA radar please read this thread and note that this is brand new radar with few advance feature then Israeli radar.

https://defence.pk/threads/paf-inte...uding-older-blocks.460048/page-6#post-8902279

 

[Lotus_stalk]

RAM coating is not very hard to achieve but very hard to maintain and composite material is different game to achieve. Regarding JF17, yes JF17 have composite material and in every block composite material share increases and installed on JF17. please follow JF17 thunder thread to know more about the plane



This thread is about LCA so stick to the topic and regarding AESA radar please read this thread and note that this is brand new radar with few advance feature then Israeli radar.

https://defence.pk/threads/paf-inte...uding-older-blocks.460048/page-6#post-8902279

NATO research labs haves lots of infrastructure around the world. A few Chinese labs and scientists can't compete with rest of the world. Chinese technology will always remain behind western technology. Israeli radar will always beat Chinese radar... Technological edge requires money

 

[帅的一匹]

Yes, Any small aircraft in the world is not designed for long range bombing and deep penetration. Be it JF 17, F16 or Gripen or even Mig 21. You can improve the range by external fuel tanks.

I read a quotation of one scientist who said that they made a loats change in LCA design in the permissible aerodynamics limits. Shape is changed, Size is small, Composite is used, Y Dusct is used and RAM paint is applied. It will be very very difficult to be detected. When we shall mount AESA and Astra on it, it will be a real real lethal weapon.

No weapon bay How to make it stealthy? Can LCA fight without weapons? Does it mount laser gun?

 

[Surya 1]

No weapon bay How to make it stealthy? Can LCA fight without weapons? Does it mount laser gun?

Do you understand the difference between low observability and stealth. Tejas is not a 5th gen plane but we have tried to incorporate as many stealth features as possible in a 4th gen plane within the aerodynamics limit. With external weapon RCS will go up but still it will remain low compared to other 4th generation aircraft and with its very powerful AESA, it will be able to detect enemy plne much earlier and fire ASTRA from 100 KM away.

 

[帅的一匹]

NATO research labs haves lots of infrastructure around the world. A few Chinese labs and scientists can't compete with rest of the world. Chinese technology will always remain behind western technology. Israeli radar will always beat Chinese radar... Technological edge requires money

Smartness/ tenacity/ money are all we have. Within 20 years, we will stand at the peak of the mountain of world Science. Chinese always have miracles.

Do you understand the difference between low observability and stealth. Tejas is not a 5th gen plane but we have tried to incorporate as many stealth features as possible in a 4th gen plane within the aerodynamics limit. With external weapon RCS will go up but still it will remain low compared to other 4th generation aircraft and with its very powerful AESA, it will be able to detect enemy plne much earlier and fire ASTRA from 100 KM away.

It can't field against a 5th gen fighter, not even stand a chance. In dog fight, LCA also can't prevail due to the lame aerodynamic design.

 

[My-Analogous]

NATO research labs haves lots of infrastructure around the world. A few Chinese labs and scientists can't compete with rest of the world. Chinese technology will always remain behind western technology. Israeli radar will always beat Chinese radar... Technological edge requires money

Stick with LCA topic and for your comments

Please note that in terms of R&D China is the second biggest in the world and if you put money spend on R&D excluding overhead China is world leader and spending more then 80% of India total budget.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_research_and_development_spending

Now regard technology China is now second country in the world behind US to have 2nd gen AESA radar technology and only US having 3rd gen AESA radar technology. So your claim is baseless

 

[Surya 1]

It can't field against a 5th gen fighter, not even stand a chance.

yes, no 4th gen plane can withstand 5th gen plane because of their low observability.

LCA also can't prevail due to the lame aerodynamic design.

oooohhhhhh from where did you get this informtion? Some day compare your J 10. JF 17 and any of your chinese plne with the maneuvers of tejas in air show. If you are honest, you will get answer. Your planes have no chance agaist tejas so far as maneuvering is concern.

 

[Lotus_stalk]

No weapon bay How to make it stealthy? Can LCA fight without weapons? Does it mount laser gun?

Total GDP of EU + US + Japan + India will always be much greater than Chinese GDP. Chinese technology will always be lower than Western technology. You will just get stuck in middle income group...

Stick with LCA topic and for your comments

Please note that in terms of R&D China is the second biggest in the world and if you put money spend on R&D excluding overhead China is world leader and spending more then 80% of India total budget.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_research_and_development_spending

Now regard technology China is now second country in the world behind US to have 2nd gen AESA radar technology and only US having 3rd gen AESA radar technology. So your claim is baseless

This is where you are wrong Indian is not alone... India coperates with EU + USA + Japan + Israel... our combined research is 200% more than total Chinese GDP... China is just one country... We are a group of countries... Indian weapons have inputs from all over the world...

Combined GDP of EU + USA + Japan + Indian is way higher than China lol

Smartness/ tenacity/ money are all we have. Within 20 years, we will stand at the peak of the mountain of world Science. Chinese always have miracles.


It can't field against a 5th gen fighter, not even stand a chance. In dog fight, LCA also can't prevail due to the lame aerodynamic design.

Combined GDP of USA + EU + Japan + Indian is something China can beat... Our Research capital aand infrastructure is something Chinese can't beat with tenacity alone. China alone cannot compete with combined technology of USA EU japan and India... We are united and share technology ... This is why Chinese technology will always be lower than western technology

 

[SDS1]

RAM coating is not very hard to achieve but very hard to maintain and composite material is different game to achieve. Regarding JF17, yes JF17 have composite material and in every block composite material share increases and installed on JF17. please follow JF17 thunder thread to know more about the plane



This thread is about LCA so stick to the topic and regarding AESA radar please read this thread and note that this is brand new radar with few advance feature then Israeli radar.

https://defence.pk/threads/paf-inte...uding-older-blocks.460048/page-6#post-8902279

you bought the JFT things , this can do this and bla bla ,i only replied to you. Your composite share in JFT is negligible ..

 

[The Accountant]

Thunder dont have any Composite , its full metal plane and with full of rivets ... So even in structure u have rivets.

RAM coating is very hard to achieve , check if your have technology of RAM coating?

Thats not correct ... blk 2 has composites ...
But how much composites have impact on rcs ??? its not more than 20% ..

I agree ram is difficult to achieve and both grippen and thunder dont have it so they are even ...

In conclusion there is no significant difference in rcs of thunder and grippen

 

[PakEye]

What a use of will in a so called indeginious WILL (LCA tejas)
1983=will + indeginious + KAVERI will
1993=will + KAVERI Failuer
2003=will + American Engine
2013=will+Tejas mk1 will
2016=will+Tejas mk2 will

 

[Mugwop]

JF-17?? tejas is better than F-16 according to indians "lol at parameters of F-16 in the article"
http://thebetacoefficient.blogspot.com/2015/04/lca-tejas-versus-f-16-in-combat-part-i.html

JF-17?? tejas is even better than Rafales according to indians
https://defence.pk/threads/scrap-rafale-viva-tejas.245111/

tejas does have a small rcs but carrying external payloads will increases it hence it can be detected