What's new

Keeping up with China: US Navy orders $22 billion worth of submarines

beijingwalker

ELITE MEMBER
Joined
Nov 4, 2011
Messages
65,195
Reaction score
-55
Country
China
Location
China
Keeping up with China: US Navy orders $22 billion worth of submarines
By Brad Lendon, CNN

Updated 3:26 AM ET, Tue December 3, 2019

Hong Kong (CNN)The US Navy on Monday awarded its most expensive shipbuilding contract ever, more than $22.2 billion worth of the world's most advanced submarines.

The massive contract for nine nuclear-powered, Virginia class attack submarines comes just months after the head of the US Navy in the Pacific warned of a massive Chinese naval buildup and his trouble in getting enough submarines to counter it.

The deal "marks the US Navy's latest response to China's growing military power and aggressive actions in the Western Pacific," said Carl Schuster, a former director of operations at the US Pacific Command's Joint Intelligence Center.

"The PLAN (Chinese Navy) is getting better and larger so the US Navy has to respond," he said. "It doesn't make China an enemy, but China's actions do bear watching."


Virginia class submarines are the US Navy's key multi-mission undersea platform. They are capable of fighting other submarines, surface ships and land targets, as well as conducting special operations including intelligence gathering and reconnaissance.

Eighteen of the subs are already in the Navy's fleet with another 10 in various stages of construction.

But the nine new subs will represent a substantial upgrade over their predecessors in the class. The Navy also has an option for a 10th sub in the contract, which would bring its value to $24 billion.

'A generational leap' in capability
Rear Adm. David Goggins, the Navy's program executive officer for submarines, called them "a generational leap in submarine capability for the Navy" in a statement on the Navy's website Monday.

They'll be bigger, displacing 10,200 tons compared to 7,800 on the current subs; they'll be longer, 460 feet compared to 377 feet; and they'll have substantial more firepower, with the ability to launch strikes with 40 Tomahawk cruise missiles, compared to just 12 on the current ships.

The subs, which can generate their own water and oxygen, can stay submerged for months at a time.

"Our submarine force is fundamental to the power and reach of our integrated naval force," said acting Secretary of the Navy Thomas B. Modly. "Today's announcement affirms our commitment to the future strength of our nation, undersea and around the world."

US Sen. Jack Reed, D-Rhode Island, the ranking member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, hailed the new contract.

"These next generation submarines provide our forces with a distinct national security advantage. They are an unmatched tool for deterrence," Reed said in a statement.

The submarines will be built by prime contractor General Dynamics Electric Boat, based in Groton, Connecticut, with subcontractor Huntington Ingallls Industries. Sen. Reed said the contract would ensure a stable workload for the 4,000 workers at an Electric Boat shipyard in Rhode Island for years to come.

While the nine new subs will be additions to the fleet -- the first of the Virginia class was delivered in 2004 -- they will be needed to replace some of the Navy's aging Los Angeles-class attack subs, which first entered the fleet in the 1970s.

The new submarines are scheduled for delivery between 2025 and 2029, the Navy said.
The naval balance in the Pacific

Experts say the US is facing unprecedented pressure in the Pacific, largely from a Chinese navy that has been making huge leaps in the numbers and quality of its submarine fleet.

The May 2019 China Military Power Report from the US Defense Department said the People's Liberation Army Navy will field 65 to 70 submarines by 2020.

Beijing's force is expected to grow from there, with China in the next five years expected to begin churning out advanced nuclear-powered attack subs similar to the US Virginia class.
An August report from analysts in Australia questioned the US's ability to keep up with China's advances and warned that Washington is facing a crisis of "strategic insolvency."

The report from the United States Study Center, at the University of Sydney, warned of the burden on the US Navy's attack subs.

"Put simply, as the environment above the surface becomes more deadly because of Chinese deployments of cruise missiles, hypersonic technologies and anti-air defenses, America's enduring advantage in undersea warfare will become increasingly important in the regional balance of power," the report said.

Adm. Philip Davidson, the head of US Indo-Pacific Command in Hawaii, told Congress earlier this year the submarine activity by three US adversaries in the Pacific -- China, Russia and North Korea -- has increased threefold since 2008.

Davidson said he needed to match that increase to keep US naval superiority in the region, but he needed the boats to do it.

However, he told Congress in March that he was only getting half of the submarines needed in the Pacific on a daily basis.

And things were looking stark for the US fleet in the future, Davidson said.

"We're going to lose our quantitative edge in about the 2025 timeframe. I think that's going to be a challenge for our equities in the region," he said.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/03/politics/us-navy-submarines-contract-intl-hnk/index.html
 
. .
America is drowning itself to death, just like Soviet Union did with it's massive military build-up and invasions/wars in other countries. China and Russia just need to sit and watch how the American elephant crushes under it's own mountain of debt. Dedollarization is in full swing, where Russia/China keep hammering nails into America's soft underbelly called the Petrodollar. As more nations adopt currency swaps, increase their gold reserves and trade oil in any currency but the dollar. Even Europe is getting in on the act by devising an alternative to the international payment system that America uses to impose it's economic sanctions on countries which it deems subversive. China and Russia have already devised an international payment system which cuts out America completely. China's equivalent to IMF, which is the AIIB, has gotten even sleazy Britain running to its doorstep to join in.

So America can build all the submarines it wants. It's still on its way to a total collapse of its economy. Its funny how they spend $22 billion for 9 submarines, while 5/6 of their 11 Super Carriers languish in dry docks awaiting RCOH (refueling/complete over haul).

America is the host body on which the Zionist-Parasite feeds.
 
. .
America is drowning itself to death, just like Soviet Union did with it's massive military build-up and invasions/wars in other countries. China and Russia just need to sit and watch how the American elephant crushes under it's own mountain of debt. Dedollarization is in full swing, where Russia/China keep hammering nails into America's soft underbelly called the Petrodollar. As more nations adopt currency swaps, increase their gold reserves and trade oil in any currency but the dollar. Even Europe is getting in on the act by devising an alternative to the international payment system that America uses to impose it's economic sanctions on countries which it deems subversive. China and Russia have already devised an international payment system which cuts out America completely. China's equivalent to IMF, which is the AIIB, has gotten even sleazy Britain running to its doorstep to join in.

So America can build all the submarines it wants. It's still on its way to a total collapse of its economy. Its funny how they spend $22 billion for 9 submarines, while 5/6 of their 11 Super Carriers languish in dry docks awaiting RCOH (refueling/complete over haul).

America is the host body on which the Zionist-Parasite feeds.


Dude....

1. US spends just 3.1% of GDP on defence and this is projected to go down to 2.5% by 2025
2. Host nations like Japan, Germany and Korea pretty much pay for the US bases. They also get plenty of money from ME nations by selling arms in exchange for protection.
3. US has land for farming, plenty of mineral resources including shale oil and leads the world in tech - this constant will not change even if the dollar is no longer the world's sole reserve currency.
4. At the end of the day rich and powerful countries in Europe and E Asia(Japan, S Korea) will always want a world led by US as that is in their interest for cultural and geopolitical reasons.
 
Last edited:
.
American governments don't have money to build homes for their many homeless people but they have 22 billion dollars to spend on military toys. Ridiculous !!

They are taken by the border jumpers

10M+ illegals and far less homeless.
 
Last edited:
.
This news is just trying to be sensational. US has a much larger submarine fleet than China. How is US keeping up? It is trying to enlarge the lead.
 
.
did not China first have to keep up with the USA befor the USA needs to keep up with China?
 
.
American governments don't have money to build homes for their many homeless people but they have 22 billion dollars to spend on military toys. Ridiculous !!
GOod point.

Also, US with this purchase is still playing military competition with China instead of focusing on economic competition. smh.

Dude....

1. US spends just 3.1% of GDP on defence and this is projected to go down to 2.5% by 2025

But you know starting very soon the interest payments on the naitonal debt will wipe out the 2.5% growth right?

2. Host nations like Japan, Germany and Korea pretty much pay for the US bases. They also get plenty of money from ME nations by selling arms in exchange for protection.
So US wins money wise, but what about tying up soldiers who cant be available in other theaters if needed like in the Persian gulf? i already knew Trump was bluffing and stupid when he sent 3K soldiers to "assure" the Saudis. Iran already knew it meant nothing. nd then US emptied the Qatar base for coordinating ME military action.

3. US has land for farming, plenty of mineral resources including shale oil and leads the world in tech - this constant will not change even if the dollar is no longer the world's sole reserve currency.
if this constant wont change then whats the point of this argument?
4. At the end of the day rich and powerful countries in Europe and E Asia(Japan, S Korea) will always want a world led by US
Oh really? bro!!! you need to wake and smell THE COFFEE why did South Korea just sign a defence agreement with China? i'm saying that you are correct, if we are looking at things today. But in the future, no one really knows, because so much is changing, and so are the alliances. didnt u hear Macron say NATO is brain dead? monumental changes are happening right now so pls open ur eyes. or maybe ur just an American fan, which is ok, but ill tell u factually that America is not doing well when it looks at itself today. how do we know this? the anger in the country. America is behaving very erratic and US allies in teh world believe this today and it is not unfounded.
 
.
Also, US with this purchase is still playing military competition with China instead of focusing on economic competition. smh.

There are no competition in term of Economy between China and US. Simply because there are nothing more US can do, I mean, the biggest sector of US GDP is from financial services, and when US Dollar are already the world reserve with 68% stack rate, what more can the Federal Bank do about it? They can't go up to 100% or 70% even, because the world need other currency to flow freely, and it is impossible to go up to that rate anyway.

The majority of the financial sector has already been saturated, that's the reason why the US GDP growth is quite steady regardless of external factors. On the other hand, China financial status were not even a thing outside its sphere of influence, which mean except people invest in China, it does not bother the world much, HengSeng Index in Hong Kong was more relevant to world financial market then Shanghai Index or Shenzhen Index.



But you know starting very soon the interest payments on the naitonal debt will wipe out the 2.5% growth right?

It won't actually, simply because interest payment on the national debt was already calculated in the National Expenditure when they calculate the GDP. Also, the interest rate for US National debt is only 470 billions, while the US GDP growth are usually between 1 to 1.4 trillions dollars.
 
.
Dude....

1. US spends just 3.1% of GDP on defence and this is projected to go down to 2.5% by 2025
2. Host nations like Japan, Germany and Korea pretty much pay for the US bases. They also get plenty of money from ME nations by selling arms in exchange for protection.
3. US has land for farming, plenty of mineral resources including shale oil and leads the world in tech - this constant will not change even if the dollar is no longer the world's sole reserve currency.
4. At the end of the day rich and powerful countries in Europe and E Asia(Japan, S Korea) will always want a world led by US as that is in their interest for cultural and geopolitical reasons.

CCP has nothing attractive about it. The world doesn’t want to live under a totalitarian Communist dictatorship despite all of America’s faults. China under the CCP has no rule of law, no independent judiciary, no freedom of speech, no freedom of media, no freedom of religion, no human rights, no political rights, no right to assemble, everything is censored, if you do anything the CCP disapproves you will be arrested with no right to a lawyer or denied talking to your family, living under CCP ruled China is the equivalent of living in an open air prison chained around the neck.
 
.
CCP has nothing attractive about it. The world doesn’t want to live under a totalitarian Communist dictatorship despite all of America’s faults. China under the CCP has no rule of law, no independent judiciary, no freedom of speech, no freedom of media, no freedom of religion, no human rights, no political rights, no right to assemble, everything is censored, if you do anything the CCP disapproves you will be arrested with no right to a lawyer or denied talking to your family, living under CCP ruled China is the equivalent of living in an open air prison chained around the neck.
Really, I lived in US for 5 years, I know what US is like, how long have you lived in China?
 
.
Keeping up? No, we are staying ahead. :lol:

Really, I lived in US for 5 years, I know what US is like, how long have you lived in China?
That says nothing about how attractive is China compares to the US, especially when Chinese mothers want their children to have US citizenship via 'birth tourism'.
 
. . .

Country Latest Posts

Back
Top Bottom