Kayanis gamble: Pakistan pulls back troops from Indian border

[Kikki]

Empty threats and finger pointing aside, has anybody been able to prove any link between PA/GoP and the Afghan Taliban ? And don't even start the "You made them so you must support them argument".

Please google Pakistan supports Taliban and see for yourself. I'm using an iPad so can't cut paste links easily.
Anyway it's well known that Pakistan is to haqqani what china is to n.Korea. Pls don't deny that and spoil a good debate

 

[SMC]

Please google Pakistan supports Taliban and see for yourself. I'm using an iPad so can't cut paste links easily.
Anyway it's well known that Pakistan is to haqqani what china is to n.Korea. Pls don't deny that and spoil a good debate

"It's well known" and "Please google" does not provide any solid evidence. You can also find stuff on google about Bharat or US supporting terrorist group, as far as things being well known is concerned - it was also well known that Iraq had WMDs. Unless you can find solid evidence to show, i.e. physical evidence or confessions, and not conjectures such as what you're doing, then we can move forward.

 

[ice_man]

contrary to what you think BLA is not in india, they dont share a border with us either. Taliban was not ruling their nation, they were oppressing them. After the soviets withdrew talibs forcibly took over the country. the atrocities they committed are well documented. i would love to hear someone deny that. anyways please dont justify afghan taliban were good for afg. if they are so good, why arent you encouraging TTP to take over? Taliban shielded terrorists. Remember IC 814 hijack from india?
second, we dont have an alliance with israel. Every country trades with another country. in some respect even your money is paying for oppressing palestine. and even arab money, because israel does use petrol and they dont have any. your logic is crap. please come with better example of hypocrisy.

And kindly answer why you say afghan taliban is good for afg but TTP is bad for pakistan, when both are the same kind of crooks

so you trade with israel and that is ok....buying there weapons is ok? them opressing palestine is ok? as for air india hijack plane well the taliban didn't either encourage it or discourage it.

under taliban rule opium production declined to an all time LOW....please don't tell me that it was BAD FOR THE NATION!!!! and under taliban crime in afghanistan was at an all time low!!! no sucidie bombings no civilian deaths.......as for crimes by taliban....media well media is the one that said IRAQ has WMDs which till date no one has found!!!!

How Afghanistan Invasion Worked for Opium Production | LFA

the above chart should help in showing the opium production fall under taliban.

as for israel imports of oil please read your facts before blabbing

Where does Israel get oil? - By Daniel Engber - Slate Magazine

israel doesn't get any oil from the arab world!!!! which means INDIA is LEFT TRADING ALONE with the oppressor don't justify your actions.

i ask you or your government for that matter is trading with AN OPRESSOR(israel) ANY LESS EVIL then supporting (taliban in afghanistan which were the rightful rulers of afghanistan with majority support)!

 

[T90TankGuy]

i read the article in the week . its a good one . and i do hope and wish all the best for the Pakistan army to weed out these a** holes form their country . as to those who say India should attack , i have two words ...GROW UP . no one wins in a war .

 

[Rafi]

i read the article in the week . its a good one . and i do hope and wish all the best for the Pakistan army to weed out these a** holes form their country . as to those who say India should attack , i have two words ...GROW UP . no one wins in a war .

140,000 troops are deployed in the west, redeployment in a crisis could be carried out in a matter of days, we must crush the takfiri.

 

[Tshering22]

Sir we can't trust India India has problem with all of its neighbors we can't trust India

Got your viewpoint. But considering that an India-obsessed general like Kayani has taken this step, surely there must be something more troublesome than a "potential" attack from us that forced him to do this. Isn't it? If he doesn't use his maximum capacity, you'd start cracking from inside, as your worst enemy now is inside your territory.

 

[Hunzaghazi]

Pakistan army has this misconception that if it pulls out troops on eastern front India will attack. Totally rubbish.
India can't afford to disturb a nuclear behemoth. Just can't risk a direct confrontation with Pak army.
Anyways India doesn't want anything. Its only Pak that has unfinished disputes in the form of J & K and Sir Creek.
So India doesn't need to attack Pak.

 

[Kikki]

so you trade with israel and that is ok....buying there weapons is ok? them opressing palestine is ok? as for air india hijack plane well the taliban didn't either encourage it or discourage it.

under taliban rule opium production declined to an all time LOW....please don't tell me that it was BAD FOR THE NATION!!!! and under taliban crime in afghanistan was at an all time low!!! no sucidie bombings no civilian deaths.......as for crimes by taliban....media well media is the one that said IRAQ has WMDs which till date no one has found!!!!

How Afghanistan Invasion Worked for Opium Production | LFA

the above chart should help in showing the opium production fall under taliban.

as for israel imports of oil please read your facts before blabbing

Where does Israel get oil? - By Daniel Engber - Slate Magazine

israel doesn't get any oil from the arab world!!!! which means INDIA is LEFT TRADING ALONE with the oppressor don't justify your actions.

i ask you or your government for that matter is trading with AN OPRESSOR(israel) ANY LESS EVIL then supporting (taliban in afghanistan which were the rightful rulers of afghanistan with majority support)!

Lol... Pls check second para of the Israel oil link. 99% of their supply is from global oil market. And who are the suppliers to global oil market? India? The money from Israel in a round about way goes to Arab states who use that money to supply arms to Palestine terrorists . Also check history. Israel was first threatened by all the arab countries. There is no instance of any oppression by Israel to palestenians. Show me proof that Israel oppresses palestenians. It is the Muslim world that is causing terror to a peace loving country like Israel and india. If palestenians stop the terror, then Israel will have no reason to bomb them. I like their policy, you throw a stone at us , we bomb you. Fair enough. You human bomb us , we will roll in tank. I see no issue. The palestenians deserve it.
So of Arab states can profit from Israeli oil purchase why can't India deal wih them. Now tell me why is your govt supporting haqqani network of terrorists.
WikiLeaks shocker? In Kabul, Pakistan support for Taliban is no surprise - CSMonitor.com
Afghan opium productinon was lessened, but people were getting stoned to death. LOL it was a business decision by Omar the terrorist.
" It is now believed that the Taliban had a large stockpile of opium when they enforced their ban in 2000 and were deliberately curtailing supply to drive up prices."
Afghanistan's Opium Wars - National Geographic Magazine
LOL your theory is flat on it's face now. Accept Taliban is a bunch of criminals, and you govt and army support their criminal activities in Afg, But don't want them in pak.

And women were being oppressed .
Buried Alive: Afghan Women Under the Taliban

Mods, I can provide links for everything. But sometimes for convenience you can help out by following instructions to links.
SMC , please do certify that what is say is not allegation but The truth.

 

[Janubaba]

Pakistan Should not pull out its troops from the border of India it can result into a biggest debacle for the country

 

[ice_man]

Lol... Pls check second para of the Israel oil link. 99% of their supply is from global oil market. And who are the suppliers to global oil market? India? The money from Israel in a round about way goes to Arab states who use that money to supply arms to Palestine terrorists . Also check history. Israel was first threatened by all the arab countries. There is no instance of any oppression by Israel to palestenians. Show me proof that Israel oppresses palestenians. It is the Muslim world that is causing terror to a peace loving country like Israel and india. If palestenians stop the terror, then Israel will have no reason to bomb them. I like their policy, you throw a stone at us , we bomb you. Fair enough. You human bomb us , we will roll in tank. I see no issue. The palestenians deserve it.
So of Arab states can profit from Israeli oil purchase why can't India deal wih them. Now tell me why is your govt supporting haqqani network of terrorists.
WikiLeaks shocker? In Kabul, Pakistan support for Taliban is no surprise - CSMonitor.com
Afghan opium productinon was lessened, but people were getting stoned to death. LOL it was a business decision by Omar the terrorist.
" It is now believed that the Taliban had a large stockpile of opium when they enforced their ban in 2000 and were deliberately curtailing supply to drive up prices."
Afghanistan's Opium Wars - National Geographic Magazine
LOL your theory is flat on it's face now. Accept Taliban is a bunch of criminals, and you govt and army support their criminal activities in Afg, But don't want them in pak.

And women were being oppressed .
Buried Alive: Afghan Women Under the Taliban

Mods, I can provide links for everything. But sometimes for convenience you can help out by following instructions to links.
SMC , please do certify that what is say is not allegation but The truth.

thank you i rest my case you have clearly put israel and india in the same perspective! and put plaestine as a terrorist along with afghans and kashmiris who are struggling for freedom from opression!

& please read the article before you post it

this is from your article the opium wars

In July 2000 Mullah Omar issued a fatwa, or religious decree, declaring opium production a violation of Islam. The Taliban enforced the ban with brutal efficiency, as one former poppy farmer told me, "by threatening to set your house on fire." The result was a massive 91 percent reduction in poppy growing in one year.

please tell me number of suicide attacks and civilian casulties along with drug production during taliban regime! or cases of armed robbery! if taliban had no support then how come they were in power without any uprising and why do they still have massive support in kabul & helmand?

 

[Kikki]

thank you i rest my case you have clearly put israel and india in the same perspective! and put plaestine as a terrorist along with afghans and kashmiris who are struggling for freedom from opression!

& please read the article before you post it

this is from your article the opium wars

In July 2000 Mullah Omar issued a fatwa, or religious decree, declaring opium production a violation of Islam. The Taliban enforced the ban with brutal efficiency, as one former poppy farmer told me, "by threatening to set your house on fire." The result was a massive 91 percent reduction in poppy growing in one year.

please tell me number of suicide attacks and civilian casulties along with drug production during taliban regime! or cases of armed robbery! if taliban had no support then how come they were in power without any uprising and why do they still have massive support in kabul & helmand?

Why are you resting your case. Israel is fighting for its survival, not oppressing its own people. Where have I said anything like that.
Second India is not trying to topple an existing israel govt and replace it with another govt to gain strategic advantage. lastly most of the world thinks highly of Israel and all the world except including Pak know that the Taiban are crooks and they are a disaster to Afgan people.
So please explain to me hypocrisy where pakistan supports taliban in Afg and not it Pakistan. Does pak want fellow muslim in Afg to be oppressed???

Of I read the article I posted, and also gave a snippet of information.You have read only uptil the part you have pasted and missed out on what follows.
They did stop production not because they thought opium is bad and kufr, but because they can reduce supply and cause prices to rise so that Opium is more valuable. I agree with this and this is the strategy used by colombian drug lords and by diamond giant Debeers (for diamonds not opium) So Omar the terrorist is indeed a bad man.

I dont know if there were suicide attacks when Taliban in power, but I will take you word for it. Isnt it obvious why there were no suicide attacks??? The taliban were the ones doing suicide attacks . LOL.. did you not see that. once they got power they did not need to do attacks.
And people were simply oppressed and illeterate. The more you deny that Taliban was a dajjal force, the more you are mocking the Afghan (your own muslim brothers) who suffered during their reign. tell me at least 1 positive when they were in power. Again opium production was stopped for financial reasons. TODAY in Helmand province under taliban, the poppy cultivation has started in full flow again. how do you explain that.

 

[Tshering22]

Pakistan Should not pull out its troops from the border of India it can result into a biggest debacle for the country

Like what?? We invading you? Your country is at the brink of its collapse due to internal turmoil of terrorism, feudal lords quarreling, Taliban, BLA, economic regression (recession is long gone), lack of industrial capacity and a increasingly civil unrest, and STILL you're calling us as the biggest debacle possible!!!

Keep this mentality up and you'll really bring that dreaded word close to your people. Nothing else will change.

 

[Janubaba]

Like what?? We invading you? Your country is at the brink of its collapse due to internal turmoil of terrorism, feudal lords quarreling, Taliban, BLA, economic regression (recession is long gone), lack of industrial capacity and a increasingly civil unrest, and STILL you're calling us as the biggest debacle possible!!!

Keep this mentality up and you'll really bring that dreaded word close to your people. Nothing else will change.

Sir than why the hell you 65% Army is stationed near border of Pakistan sir get the facts right you even bully a neighbor like Nepal what the hell are you talking about

 

[twoplustwoisfour]

Sir than why the hell you 65% Army is stationed near border of Pakistan

For defensive measures!!! It's no secret that trained guerillas cross over from your side to ours to spread disorder.

 

[Janubaba]

For defensive measures!!! It's no secret that trained guerillas cross over from your side to ours to spread disorder.

You are doing the same in Balochistan sir than why blame us sir you have lond history of hitting in the back so you can't be trusted sir