Kashmiri man Air Commodore Hilal Ahmad Rather who played key role in Rafale’s India journey

[Raj-Hindustani]

I can almost swear the Indians said the exact same thing when Su30s arrived ....

Su 30/is still best after Rafale.... In south Asia.

 

[PradoTLC]

But if any Hindu get a normal post then its being posted in PDF... But u r saying don't do drama... Do u want proof?

The point is in spite of being islamic state we treat other non Islamic citizens better than so called secular neighbors..

 

[PradoTLC]

Su 30/is still best after Rafale.... In south Asia.

Su30 is best?...

unfortunately it could not demonstrate that on 27 feb.. and certainly not by getting shot down

 

[truthseeker2010]

Su30 is best?...

unfortunately it could not demonstrate that on 27 feb.. and certainly not by getting shot down

The indians are not only poor economically but intellectually as well so please spare them as they cannot understand and differentiate beyond specs of A and B.

 

[PradoTLC]

The indians are not only poor economically but intellectually as well so please spare them as they cannot understand and differentiate beyond specs of A and B.

Yup ... just look at their statements by their technical experts...

"Rafale is far superior to the J-20, the Chengdu fighter of China. Even though it’s believed to be a 5th generation fighter, it is probably at best a 3.5 generation aircraft. It's got a third generation engine as we have in the Sukhoi," said Air Marshal R Nambiar (retd) who flight tested the Rafale fighter jets for India.


When PAF it selfs classifies JF-17 block I as generation 3.5, how in the world did these Indian experts classify J20 as the same class?


True we do not know what enough about J20 but say China would field a plane on a same level as JF17 as front line stealth plane is stupid.


@ indians

Pls don’t try and defend your idiot defense analysts ... they had no clue about PAF , then they certainly have no idea about PLAAF

 

[alee92nawaz]

S.A. Ibrahim takes over as Intelligence Bureau chief
S.A Ibrahim, an IPS officer of the Madhya Pradesh cadre, has taken over from Nehchal Sandhu who retired on December 31, 2012.
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January 2, 2013
UPDATED: January 2, 2013 04:00 IST


Indian Police Service officer S.A. Ibrahim on Tuesday took over as chief of the Intelligence Bureau (IB), becoming the first from the country's main minority community to hold the post.

Home Ministry sources said Ibrahim took over as IB director Tuesday.

Ibrahim, an IPS officer of the Madhya Pradesh cadre, has taken over from Nehchal Sandhu who retired December 31, 2012. He will hold the post for two years.

Ibrahim was appointed officer on special duty in IB last month after the government decided to elevate him as the head of the organisation. He was serving as special director in the IB earlier.

Sources said Ibrahim has direct experience in anti-terror operations and has handled responsibilities ranging from the Kashmir desk to cyber security cell.

In his initial career, Ibrahim had field postings in Madhya Pradesh and had encounters with dacoits of Chambal ravines.

Officials who have worked with Ibrahim describe him as a thoroughbred professional and a gentle, soft-spoken person with talent for information-gathering.

A former Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) chief said Ibrahim was "one of the finest officers".

Another former police officer who has worked with Ibrahim in the IB described him as a "soft spoken, very balanced person".

"He will make a very good DIB," the officer, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, told IANS.

The officer said Ibrahim had handled security in IB and his "heavy charter" included internal and industrial security.

Prashant Mehta, who was district magistrate in Morena when Ibrahim was a superintendent of police in the district in the early '80s, said that he had dealt well with the menace of dacoity of Chambal region during his time.

He said Ibrahim was "old school gentleman" suited to intelligence.

"He does not allow his right hand to know what the left hand is doing," Mehta said.

Mehta said that Ibrahim was officer on special duty to former union minister Madhavrao Scindia and had also served with former home minister Mufti Mohammad Sayeed.

Officials said Ibrahim had influenced thinking on terrorism and suggested that agencies need to pay greater thrust to outfits having base in the country.

They said that during his work in Jammu and Kashmir, Ibrahim laid emphasis on engagement with civil society for effectiveness of intelligence work.

Former IB chief Ajit Doval said Ibrahim would live up to the high standards of his post.

He said that references in the media to Ibrahim's religion were unwarranted.

"It is irresponsible for the media to give religious salience to the question of appointment of DIB. It is not in national interest," Doval said.

Former Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) chief A.K. Dulat said that Ibrahim had an "outstanding reputation" while he was in Madhya Pradesh and "that was a reason he got into IB".

Dulat said Ibrahim was a thoroughbred professional and was the first from the minority community to join the IB at a relatively senior level.

He agreed with the suggestion that there was need for more people from the main minority community to join the IB and said Ibrahim's elevation would serve as an inspiration.

"I am sure it would," he said.

Ibrahim's appointment comes at a politically crucial juncture as he will be head of IB during the next Lok Sabha polls scheduled for 2014.

Sources said the appointment will help counter an impression that members from the Muslim community do not make it to top posts in intelligence.

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What about any non muslim Prime Minister , President , Army Chief or ISI chief of Pakistan ..... any such examples ???

We are 97 percent muslims and you guys have more than 30 percent

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

Su30 is best?...

unfortunately it could not demonstrate that on 27 feb.. and certainly not by getting shot down

Any technical person cac easily explain that if one fighter is equipped with bvr 110 (f16) and other bvr range 80 km(su30 mki ).

Fight with 110/missile range will get benefits but still if unable to shoot down then what should I say.

However, now su 30 mki is also equipped with missile range between 110 km. Now that missile advantage has gone.

 

[truthseeker2010]

Yup ... just look at their statements by their technical experts...

"Rafale is far superior to the J-20, the Chengdu fighter of China. Even though it’s believed to be a 5th generation fighter, it is probably at best a 3.5 generation aircraft. It's got a third generation engine as we have in the Sukhoi," said Air Marshal R Nambiar (retd) who flight tested the Rafale fighter jets for India.


When PAF it selfs classifies JF-17 block I as generation 3.5, how in the world did these Indian experts classify J20 as the same class?


True we do not know what enough about J20 but say China would field a plane on a same level as JF17 as front line stealth plane is stupid.


@ indians

Pls don’t try and defend your idiot defense analysts ... they had no clue about PAF , then they certainly have no idea about PLAAF

Whats worst, their military hierarchy is stating these things, a layman nationalistic retard saying this is one thing, a two star officer who spent half his life in the airforce is giving his expert analysis, rest you can gauge for yourself the level of IAF and its idiocy with Rafale.

 

[Shantanu_Left]

Hilal Ahmed Rather was commissioned in the airforce in 1988 and rose from being a flight lieutenant to now an Air Commodore. Reports say Hilal has ensured quick delivery of fighter aircraft and its weaponizing as per Indian conditions. He has also said to have won Sword of honor in NDA.

With more than 3000 hours of accident-free flying on MiG 21s, Mirage-2000, and Kiran aircraft, according to records accessible online, he has received Vayu Sena Medal, which is given for devotion to duty as a Wing Commander in 2010 and Vishisht Seva Medal when he was a group captain in 2016.

I would have Hilal Ahmed rather than Abhi none done lead a sortie into Pakistan.

Inko dekh Mia bhai ki daring lagta hai...danger hai Rather bhai.

@xeuss @jamahir

 

[Shantanu_Left]

Pakistan is an islamic republic from the beginning

We didn't do drama of secularism like you to capture more and more land

I hope that answers your question

I would disagree with that statement. Indian Muslims serve proudly when recruited in the Indian armed forces. It's true that there is discrimination against them, so it would have taken Mr. Rather a lot more effort and skills to be promoted to his present rank. It's swimming against the tide.

I salute this brave man.

 

[Shantanu_Left]

I'm sure he will be the one abused the most once this bird gets knocked out of sky.

If that happens, unlike Abhinandan, Mr. Rather will be able to take a beating. He looks a thorough professional.

 

[Shantanu_Left]

Ah, the token poster boy - we all have them.

No, he's not a poster boy. Indian Muslims do serve proudly in all three branches of the Indian armed forces. The ones that do are extremely capable. They are also discriminated against, so it takes them a lot longer to be promoted to the desirable ranks with respect to a Hindu officer. It says that Mr. Rather joined the Air Force in 1988 when he must have been at least 20-21.

Of course, a good fighter pilot is ageless.

 

[Shantanu_Left]

Control the islamphobia man. You aren't a Switzerland either

I don't support the idiotic comment which you replied to. However, many Pakistanis here act so surprised when they see Indian Muslims at such a distinguished level in the Indian armed forces. It's not a matter of surprise in India: many Indian Muslims do proudly serve in all three branches. But yes, their percentage representation is far less, only 2.8% I think, for a 15-16% population. Also I know it very well, getting a promotion is tougher when you're an Indian Muslim. Many take voluntary retirement much before their commissionied careers because of a lack of scope. They also have to face Islamophobia on a daily basis.

 

[HalfMoon]

I would have Hilal Ahmed rather than Abhi none done lead a sortie into Pakistan.

Inko dekh Mia bhai ki daring lagta hai...danger hai Rather bhai.

@xeuss @jamahir

LoL

When the war starts Muslim Indian pilots will land in Masroor and hand over the Rafales to PAF.





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Iraq; Some Iraqi Jets Flee to Iran; U.S. Says Reason Is Unclear


By John H. Cushman Jr., Special To the New York Times

• Jan. 27, 1991

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At least two dozen Iraqi aircraft, including fighter jets as well as military and civilian transport planes, have fled into Iran since the war in the Persian Gulf began, Pentagon officials said today.

They confirmed reports from Iran that at least seven fighters fled from Iraq today, but said they did not know whether the flights were defections or part of a plan to safeguard Iraqi planes from attack.

Secretary of State James A. Baker 3d said today that Iran had assured the United States that it would keep the Iraqi fighter planes for the duration of the war. Teheran did not say what it would do with the crew members.

"We have been assured that Iran intends to remain totally neutral in the conflict and that aircraft from either side of this conflict will remain there for the duration of the conflict," he said. Not Being Chased

The Iraqi planes were not being chased by allied jets when they flew to Iran, Maj. Gen. Martin Brandtner, deputy director of operations for the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said at a Pentagon briefing.

Radio reports from Teheran and Baghdad said several Iraqi warplanes were allowed to make emergency landings in Iran today, but only after Iran had scrambled its air force and warned that it would tolerate no breach of its neutrality.

General Brandtner said the United States would not chase Iraqi planes into Iranian airspace, but would try to shoot them down in Iraq or elsewhere in the combat theater.

The aircraft that escaped today were permitted to land at an unidentified Iranian airport, but one caught fire and exploded as it touched down and two others were damaged, an official Iranian spokesman told the Teheran radio.

Iraq acknowledged the incident, saying, "A number of our planes were obliged to land in Iran, and contacts are under way regarding the return of the aircraft and the pilots to their homeland," the Baghdad radio said. Uncertainty Over Motives

But the Iranian press agency quoted an official spokesman tonight as saying any foreign aircraft landing on its soil would be impounded until the Persian Gulf war was over.

Neither Baghdad nor Teheran gave clues as to whether the Iraqi planes had strayed, were defecting or were fleeing allied air action. American officials said they did not know, either.

Rear Adm. Mike McConnell, director of intelligence for the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said he was not certain "whether it was pre-arranged, whether it was a defection, or whether it was an opportunity to put them in a safe haven."

Admiral McConnell estimated that "in the neighborhood of at least a dozen fighters and at least a dozen transports" were among the planes that have fled to Iran. Iraq's Best Planes

He did not say what types of fighters were involved, but said they were among the best Iraqi planes.

Before the war, Iraq was estimated to have more than 700 planes in its air force, including 30 Mirages and 30 MiG-29's. It is estimated that 45 have been destroyed, including 22 in aerial combat and 23 on the ground.

Before the Pentagon announcement, officials in Washington said they had known for some time that Iraqi civilian aircraft had been flown to Iran for "safekeeping," including Boeing 707's and commercial cargo planes.

In the last day or two, there have been almost no sorties by Iraqi aircraft, the Pentagon said. The Iranian Account

Earlier today, Iran's Supreme National Security Council said on the Teheran radio: "A number of Iraqi warplanes appeared over Iranian skies in three waves this morning. They announced emergency conditions and asked for permission to make emergency landings."

"Iranian Air Force fighters took to the air as soon as the Iraqi aircraft appeared over Iran," a spokesman for the council was quoted as saying, implying that Iranian planes had escorted the Iraqi planes to a landing strip.

"The spokesman stressed Iran's neutral position and warned the Iraqi Government and all sides involved in the war that Iran would severely confront any action that may violate its neutral stance," the radio said.

Iran's swift reporting of the incident and strong reassertion of the nation's neutrality seemed intended to make clear that Teheran did not wish to be viewed as a safe haven or to be drawn into the conflict.

Iran fought a war with Iraq from 1980 to 1988. President Hashemi Rafsanjani of Iran has resisted demands by hard-liners that it declare a holy war on American forces now. Iran says it remains neutral in the war.


https://www.nytimes.com/1991/01/27/...s-flee-to-iran-us-says-reason-is-unclear.html

 

[Shantanu_Left]

The links posted by @1648 give a good sense that Muslims are not hired into RAW.

They are hired into RAW as well. Some of the most capable officers are Indian Muslims. But RAW isn't that much of a capable organization. They're nowhere in the league of Mossad or CIA. Just overhyped sarkari bureaucratic organization.

RAW are only capable of tracking the IP address of Xeuss or Shantanu_Left I think Padam-Chen bawa had a thing to say about my Singapore IP. I use a fiber optic network common to my building so there's like a 1/100 chance they will get here to me while I am in my undies.