If all Kashmir land is given back to Pakistan, China should do so too.
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If all Kashmir land is given back to Pakistan, China should do so too.
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They don't pay taxes because ,they don't like paying taxes to 'Hindu' government.
States asked to set up spl courts for human rights cases
Centre has asked state governments to set up special courts to try cases of human rights violation, Minister of State for Home Ajay Maken told Rajya Sabha today.
Replying to supplementaries during Question Hour, he said 10 states have already set up Human Rights Courts to try cases like custodial deaths.
"We wish all states set up such designated courts soon," he said.
On the question of honour killings, he said such a killing was "just like any other murder" and carried the same punishment. "By using different terms, there is no distinction between the two," he said.
About the appointment of National Human Rights Commission Chairman, Maken said only a retired Supreme Court judge below the age of 70 can hold the post.
There are only two persons who meet the criteria and both have declined the offer saying they are either not inclined or not available for the job, he said.
On custodial deaths in Jammu and Kashmir, he said three custodial deaths were reported from the state during the past three years. No custodial death was reported in 2006-07, three in 2007-08 and nil in 2008-09, he added.
Centre has asked state governments to set up special courts to try cases of human rights violation, Minister of State for Home Ajay Maken told Rajya Sabha today.
Replying to supplementaries during Question Hour, he said 10 states have already set up Human Rights Courts to try cases like custodial deaths.
"We wish all states set up such designated courts soon," he said.
On the question of honour killings, he said such a killing was "just like any other murder" and carried the same punishment. "By using different terms, there is no distinction between the two," he said.
About the appointment of National Human Rights Commission Chairman, Maken said only a retired Supreme Court judge below the age of 70 can hold the post.
There are only two persons who meet the criteria and both have declined the offer saying they are either not inclined or not available for the job, he said.
On custodial deaths in Jammu and Kashmir, he said three custodial deaths were reported from the state during the past three years. No custodial death was reported in 2006-07, three in 2007-08 and nil in 2008-09, he added.
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Back to Pakistan ? When did Pakistan had Kashmir ?
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???Just more propaganda by Separatists to hate India and Hindus. Who said raja was autocratic and when did NC became secular ?
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OK.
than how about this?
after Kashmir is given back to Pakistan, Pakistan should be given to India.
Okay, but the flag remains the Sabz-Hilali and the name remains Pakistan.
Why would you want Pakistan when you hate us so much? For the same reasons you occupy Kashmir, land. Kashmiris don't want to be with India, Pakistanis don't want to be with India, Indiands, as far as I can tell, can't stand Pakistanis. So let everyone have what they want.
Way to go, brave Kashmiris. Splattering brains doesn't squash the mind.
Excerpt from George Orwell's Ninteen Eighty Four
"In the end the Party would announce that two and two made five, and you would have to believe it. It was inevitable that they should make that claim sooner or later: the logic of their position demanded it. Not merely the validity of experience, but the very existence of external reality, was tacitly denied by their philosophy. The heresy of heresies was common sense. And what was terrifying was not that they would kill you for thinking otherwise, but that they might be right. For, after all, how do we know that two and two make four? Or that the force of gravity works? Or that the past is unchangeable? If both the past and the external world exist only in the mind, and if the mind itself is controllable—what then?"
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wy should india give kashmir to pakistan .kashmir was never pakistans-do u get my point
wy should india give kashmir to pakistan .kashmir was never pakistans-do u get my point
My understanding is that Kashmir belongs to Muslim and naturally it should belongs to Pakistan. Please correct me if i am wrong
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being chiness, why r u so worried about Kashmir?
unlike china, India don't block websites, so people will never know outside world.
before you talk about Kashmir, solve Tibetans xinjiang problems.
So, going by your logic, members on this forum will only be
approprate to post things according to their nationality ?
Next time please do a little thinking with your brain before bashing the
messenger, OK ?
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Kashmir not belongs to Muslim. It belongs to Kasmiri people. Majority of Kashmiris are Muslims but that doesn't mean that it should be given to Pakistan.
By your theory we will have to give every Muslim dominated area to Pakistan. How on earth that is possible.
Kashmir was not a part of India or Pakistan when both of them got separated. Kashmir had taken the decision to join India than Pakistan. What will we do when a territory trying to join India. Accept or reject it ?
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If people are finished deciding whom shall kasmir..pakistan...tibet go can we please get back to topic...
Greyboy apart from posting news don't you think you should also post your POV so that we get a direction on why you posted it and what exactly you want to discuss??? This will guide the discussion into some discussion rather than useless posts of gifting boundaries...
Anyways i have a question for members....Do you think house arresting some of the hurriyat leaders is a good move or something that backfires???
If people are finished deciding whom shall kasmir..pakistan...tibet go can we please get back to topic...
Greyboy apart from posting news don't you think you should also post your POV so that we get a direction on why you posted it and what exactly you want to discuss??? This will guide the discussion into some discussion rather than useless posts of gifting boundaries...
Anyways i have a question for members....Do you think house arresting some of the hurriyat leaders is a good move or something that backfires???
My information is that it is not the kasmiri people who wanted to join India. It is the work of Maharaja who acceded the control to India by the instigation of Louis Mountbatten.
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How do you know if the kashmiri people didn't want to join India? Is there any evidence to corroborate that assertion? On the other hand National Conference, the largest party in Kashmir then, was extensively consulted by India, before Maharaja signed the Instrument of Accession.
You are talking of 'instigation'. Thats funny. It was Pakistan which was hell bent on coercing the same Maharaja, whose decision they now dispute, into signing the same Instrument of Accession, which they now dispute as well, with them. Since the only road contact that Kashmir had with the outer world was via Pakistan, it depended solely on Pakistan for sustenance. And what did your Pakistani friends do to coerce him to sign that instrument? When their verbal coercion failed, they stopped supplying salt, petrol and coins, which were minted in Pakistan. Then fomented rebellion in Poonch sector.
IBNLive : Suhasini Haidar's Blog : Jammu and Kashmir: Seize the Moment
Suhasini Haidar
Opportunities, says ancient Chinese strategist Sun Tzu, multiply as they are seized. A leader doesn't just make things happen, he is able to see when destiny beckons and the stars are lined up in the right constellation. Then the opportunity for resolution and a chance to change the course of history presents itself.
As the shots hit Hurriyat leader Fazl Haq Qureshi coming out of a mosque in Srinagar this month, but missed their mark in stopping the dialogue process between the Hurriyat and the centre, it was one more indicator that the opportunity for a resolution in Jammu and Kashmir is presenting itself. A window of rare opportunity to break a twenty-year-old cycle of violence that must be seized.
It was rare enough to hear Home Minister P Chidambaram admit in Parliament what his government took great pains to deny for months - that he was in 'quiet talks' with separatist Kashmiri leaders.
He backed it up with other announcements, withdrawing several paramilitary battalions from the valley, and pushing Jammu-Kashmir police into the 'frontlines' of state security.
Each of those initiatives would have been unheard of some years ago, but point to the fact that the central government, bolstered by wins in successive elections, today feels empowered to take them.
Ironically, the most far-reaching initiative for the resolution of the Kashmir problem to date was the one taken not by this government - but the NDA government that preceded it, when it announced a ceasefire along the Line of Control in November 2003. That ceasefire, which has largely held for six years, became the springboard for all the initiatives that followed, including the Srinagar-Muzzafarabad bus.
Since 2003, the two sides have followed a four-step plan laid out by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh as he pursued negotiations with President Musharraf (2004-2007) viz., to move the Army back to the barracks in Valley towns like Srinagar, Baramullah, Kupwara and Anantnag, transfer control to paramilitary forces, build up the J&K police force, and then to work on cross-LOC linkages- transport, trade, tourism.
Relative calm at the LOC was followed in the years by relative peace in the valley. While many in India may be uncomfortable admitting it- Pakistan's actions, or lack of them there in the recent past have helped. They're the reason the fires that raged over two successive summers: the Amarnath agitation in 2008, and protests over the Shopian murders in 2009 were able to burn themselves out. And the state witnessed two general elections (2004 and 2009) and two state elections (2002 and 2008)- each one overturning the government in power, without any volatility.
Pakistan's virtual acceptance of the LOC as a more permanent "Line of Peace" is best reflected in its latest efforts to reorganize parts of ***- and give Gilgit-Baltistan provincial status.
Many wounds have had a chance to heal in this time - according to official estimates the number of violent incidents in a year at the peak of militancy were 6000. Last year, they numbered 400. 17% of the population suffered from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder in 2004- a number that has steadily decreased. Perhaps the greatest healing will only follow the return of Pandits to homes they were driven from nearly two decades ago- last month the community came together with former Muslim neighbours in Srinagar's Rainawari to renovate the abandoned Shiv temple there. These are all positive signs that should be counted even as we chronicle levels of infiltration and fidayeen attacks which we resolutely need to combat.
Finally, the rarest part of the alignment is the transfer of power to a new generation of leadership across the board. In the mainstream, Chief Minister Omar Abdullah and Leader of the opposition Mehbooba Mufti may disagree on everything else- but they are fully behind the current dialogue process with the Hurriyat, and their own solutions for the state differ only marginally.
For the separatists, the old guard of Geelani may never come on board, but others like Prof Abdul Ghani Bhat have already deferred to the Hurriyat's Gen-next: Mirwaiz Umer Farooq, Sajjad and Bilal Lone to move ahead with talks.
Three young men with a tragic and powerful common bond- they lost their fathers to terrorists on exactly the same day 12 years apart (May 12), targeted for trying to talk to New Delhi.
They're accompanied by a powerful voice of peace who has made the journey from the gun and prosecution by the state, JKLF chief Yasin Mallik.
The biggest change is the call by the Hurriyat for the NC and PDP to work with it on a solution, thereby overturning a decades-old stand of being the "sole representatives of the Kashmiri people".
'Azaadi' may not be a viable option for any of them today- but what New Delhi needs to recognize, and prepare the nation for is that none of these leaders can go on endlessly with the status quo.
"Silence or absence of overt defiance by the war weary Kashmiri should not be treated as a change in the sentiment," warned Sajjad Lone in his 2006 paper: Achievable Nationhood. Both the Mufti's doctrine of Self-Rule, and Abdullah's concept of Autonomy (passed unanimously by the J&K assembly in 2000 but rejected by the Union cabinet) find many areas of common cause.
Interestingly, each of them proposes solutions, shorn of the rhetoric, that can be found within the Indian Constitution- which is imperative. For the government, to move forward would involve the sort of flexibility it has already shown in the Naga peace process (more power to the state, changing nomenclature of the government and head of government etc), and others.
In Qazigund this October, the Prime Minister linked peace and prosperity in Jammu and Kashmir with the India-Pakistan peace process calling for a new 'humanitarian agenda' as a basis to restart talks with Pakistan. And perhaps paraphrasing Sun Tzu's words on the urgency of the moment he offered up an Urdu couplet:
Yeh jabr bhi dekha hai taareekh ki nazron ne

Lamhon ne khata ki thi sadiyon ne sazaa payee
(These are the lessons of time: for the mistakes made by moments, the punishment is meted out to centuries)
In terms of Jammu and Kashmir, the real mistake would be for the Prime Minister to fail to seize the moment now.
Suhasini Haidar
Opportunities, says ancient Chinese strategist Sun Tzu, multiply as they are seized. A leader doesn't just make things happen, he is able to see when destiny beckons and the stars are lined up in the right constellation. Then the opportunity for resolution and a chance to change the course of history presents itself.
As the shots hit Hurriyat leader Fazl Haq Qureshi coming out of a mosque in Srinagar this month, but missed their mark in stopping the dialogue process between the Hurriyat and the centre, it was one more indicator that the opportunity for a resolution in Jammu and Kashmir is presenting itself. A window of rare opportunity to break a twenty-year-old cycle of violence that must be seized.
It was rare enough to hear Home Minister P Chidambaram admit in Parliament what his government took great pains to deny for months - that he was in 'quiet talks' with separatist Kashmiri leaders.
He backed it up with other announcements, withdrawing several paramilitary battalions from the valley, and pushing Jammu-Kashmir police into the 'frontlines' of state security.
Each of those initiatives would have been unheard of some years ago, but point to the fact that the central government, bolstered by wins in successive elections, today feels empowered to take them.
Ironically, the most far-reaching initiative for the resolution of the Kashmir problem to date was the one taken not by this government - but the NDA government that preceded it, when it announced a ceasefire along the Line of Control in November 2003. That ceasefire, which has largely held for six years, became the springboard for all the initiatives that followed, including the Srinagar-Muzzafarabad bus.
Since 2003, the two sides have followed a four-step plan laid out by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh as he pursued negotiations with President Musharraf (2004-2007) viz., to move the Army back to the barracks in Valley towns like Srinagar, Baramullah, Kupwara and Anantnag, transfer control to paramilitary forces, build up the J&K police force, and then to work on cross-LOC linkages- transport, trade, tourism.
Relative calm at the LOC was followed in the years by relative peace in the valley. While many in India may be uncomfortable admitting it- Pakistan's actions, or lack of them there in the recent past have helped. They're the reason the fires that raged over two successive summers: the Amarnath agitation in 2008, and protests over the Shopian murders in 2009 were able to burn themselves out. And the state witnessed two general elections (2004 and 2009) and two state elections (2002 and 2008)- each one overturning the government in power, without any volatility.
Pakistan's virtual acceptance of the LOC as a more permanent "Line of Peace" is best reflected in its latest efforts to reorganize parts of ***- and give Gilgit-Baltistan provincial status.
Many wounds have had a chance to heal in this time - according to official estimates the number of violent incidents in a year at the peak of militancy were 6000. Last year, they numbered 400. 17% of the population suffered from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder in 2004- a number that has steadily decreased. Perhaps the greatest healing will only follow the return of Pandits to homes they were driven from nearly two decades ago- last month the community came together with former Muslim neighbours in Srinagar's Rainawari to renovate the abandoned Shiv temple there. These are all positive signs that should be counted even as we chronicle levels of infiltration and fidayeen attacks which we resolutely need to combat.
Finally, the rarest part of the alignment is the transfer of power to a new generation of leadership across the board. In the mainstream, Chief Minister Omar Abdullah and Leader of the opposition Mehbooba Mufti may disagree on everything else- but they are fully behind the current dialogue process with the Hurriyat, and their own solutions for the state differ only marginally.
For the separatists, the old guard of Geelani may never come on board, but others like Prof Abdul Ghani Bhat have already deferred to the Hurriyat's Gen-next: Mirwaiz Umer Farooq, Sajjad and Bilal Lone to move ahead with talks.
Three young men with a tragic and powerful common bond- they lost their fathers to terrorists on exactly the same day 12 years apart (May 12), targeted for trying to talk to New Delhi.
They're accompanied by a powerful voice of peace who has made the journey from the gun and prosecution by the state, JKLF chief Yasin Mallik.
The biggest change is the call by the Hurriyat for the NC and PDP to work with it on a solution, thereby overturning a decades-old stand of being the "sole representatives of the Kashmiri people".
'Azaadi' may not be a viable option for any of them today- but what New Delhi needs to recognize, and prepare the nation for is that none of these leaders can go on endlessly with the status quo.
"Silence or absence of overt defiance by the war weary Kashmiri should not be treated as a change in the sentiment," warned Sajjad Lone in his 2006 paper: Achievable Nationhood. Both the Mufti's doctrine of Self-Rule, and Abdullah's concept of Autonomy (passed unanimously by the J&K assembly in 2000 but rejected by the Union cabinet) find many areas of common cause.
Interestingly, each of them proposes solutions, shorn of the rhetoric, that can be found within the Indian Constitution- which is imperative. For the government, to move forward would involve the sort of flexibility it has already shown in the Naga peace process (more power to the state, changing nomenclature of the government and head of government etc), and others.
In Qazigund this October, the Prime Minister linked peace and prosperity in Jammu and Kashmir with the India-Pakistan peace process calling for a new 'humanitarian agenda' as a basis to restart talks with Pakistan. And perhaps paraphrasing Sun Tzu's words on the urgency of the moment he offered up an Urdu couplet:
Yeh jabr bhi dekha hai taareekh ki nazron ne

Lamhon ne khata ki thi sadiyon ne sazaa payee
(These are the lessons of time: for the mistakes made by moments, the punishment is meted out to centuries)
In terms of Jammu and Kashmir, the real mistake would be for the Prime Minister to fail to seize the moment now.
Kashmiri wants to join India? Any evidence?
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