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[third eye]

I think peace will require some give and take. China would probably give India Aksai Chin in return for Arunachal Pradesh and I think all three countries would not find it difficult to make Kashmir an autonomous zone where in 10 years a referendum can be held finally determining what happens to the area. Its all in the mindset and India seems the only one interested in conflict.

Changing borders is not an option - this is something even the PM has made abundantly clear.

As far as AP is concerned, China overran the parts now claimed by it in 62. They withdrew on their own.So where do they stand now ?

It is obviously an attempt to bargain elsewhere ( the locations & aim are obvious)- something visible to all who matter.

Now asking for those parts again does not make sense. China has no role whatsoever in J&K at all neither will it ever.

 

[arihant]

I dont think India has to provide anything to China (other than "Thanks, what took you so long?") for getting back Aksai Chin. It wasn't India that 'handed' Aksai Chin to China, it was Pakistan. What Pakistan might have to give to China, I'll let the two friends decide on that, amicably of course.

And as I see, India is not interested in conflict in Kashmir. No country wants terrorist attacks on its soil nor does it want to lose its soldiers in IED explosions. As to the solution to Kashmir, well there's another forum for that.

Pakistan didn't handed over Aksai Chin. It was Shaksgam Valley handed over without consent of the Kashmiris. Also, Stand of Pakistan on Aksai Chin is unclear. Either it should accept it as part of J&K Princely stated existed before independence or should clear the doubt by accepting it as a part of china.

Clearly, this means that UN resolution will not be valid, as it contains that all J&K should be demilitary zone and be govern under UN Forces. Also, there contain no independence for J&K People which has been wrongly communicated to the world.

 

[Hutchroy]

China refuses to take Hurriyat bait, says not party to Kashmir conflict

BEIJING : China on Tuesday refused to be drawn into the renewed controversy over Kashmir, which has been ignited with Mirwaiz Umar Farooq, chairman of All Parties Hurriyat Conference, saying that Beijing should act as it had a stake in the region's peace.

"The Kashmir issue is an issue between India and Pakistan left over by history. We hope the two sides could properly resolve the issue through dialogue and negotiations," Qin Gang, the foreign ministry spokesman said in reply to a question seeking his response to Farooq’s remarks.

Qin’s statement is significant in view of India’s unhappiness over one portion of the joint declaration issued by China and the United States during Barack Obama’s recent visit to China. The statement said the two countries supported “the improvement of relations between India and Pakistan”.

The foreign ministry spokesman was asked to comment about the snag developed during the launch of the Agni-II missile on Monday.

“It is an internal matter for India. We hope India would contribute to regional peace and stability,” he said.

Qin told a journalist he had not read reports about New Delhi denying visas to 3,000 workers. But China always supported development of trade and economic relationship with India. Trade and business relationship will also contribute to better neighbourly relationship and help resolve pending issues, he said.

 

[dabong1]

Well Mirwaiz is right in a way. China should return parts of ladakh and shaksam valley that it occupies so that the dispute can be resolved!

If you want the chinese bit of kashmir to be bought up alongside the pakistan and indian part of kashmir into any negotiation ,then you should have no problem with china taking part in any "peace process"?

 

[dabong1]

China cannot be a partner in bringing peace to S Asia so long as it hold parts of the area in dispute - Aksai Chin & the region ceded to it by Pk.

Why the problem with china taking part in the peace process......after all you want all of kashmir to be bought into negotiations including the chinese part which you have mentioned so whats the problem with china taking part?

 

[third eye]

Why the problem with china taking part in the peace process......after all you want all of kashmir to be bought into negotiations including the chinese part which you have mentioned so whats the problem with china taking part?

Some Reasons :

1 China is not a part of S Asia.

2. The issue has to be settled bi laterally as agreed by Pk & India with no room for a 3rd party.

3. The China held part of J&K has 2 implications - One that was ceded by Pk & the other occupied by China after a war with India. The 1st has to be resolved / returned by Pk. The second has to be returned by China. In any case , both these are not part of the original prob. Once J&K returns to its rightful owner, the rest will follow. If not then the LC shall have to converted to an IB.

4. When the J&K prob began, china as we now know it did not exist.

 

[Red Dwarf]

Take our land, split it as they like, share it as they like, and complaining us that their share is not enough and we want more land by negotiation. What a world

 

[dabong1]

Some Reasons :

1 China is not a part of S Asia.

Totally irrelevant.......you say china has a part of kashmir but then go onto to say its not in or part of south asia.

2. The issue has to be settled bi laterally as agreed by Pk & India with no room for a 3rd party.

Pakistan has changed its mind......like you guys have done with the UN.

3. The China held part of J&K has 2 implications - One that was ceded by Pk & the other occupied by China after a war with India. The 1st has to be resolved / returned by Pk. The second has to be returned by China. In any case , both these are not part of the original prob. Once J&K returns to its rightful owner, the rest will follow. If not then the LC shall have to converted to an IB.

But you indians keep bringing up the chinese bit of kashmir as being a problem.....you cant have it both ways.

4. When the J&K prob began, china as we now know it did not exist.

So?

 

[dabong1]

Take our land, split it as they like, share it as they like, and complaining us that their share is not enough and we want more land by negotiation. What a world

We split into two nations along the lines of faith.....and kashmir is muslim.

 

[EjazR]

Time not right for pulling out Army: Omar

The security situation of Jammu and Kashmir is not yet conducive for moving the Army out of the state, said Chief Minister Omar Abdullah here on Tuesday, pointing out that demilitarisation will take time.

The Chief Minister was speaking on the occasion of the dedication of a war memorial to the nation in Jammu. The war memorial, Balidan Sthambh, was dedicated by Army Chief General Deepak Kapoor and accepted by the Chief Minister on behalf of the people of the state.

Omar said that “although the Army’s primary task was to take care of the border and the Line of Control (LoC), it has been in Jammu and Kashmir for the past 21 years on account of the internal situation of the state arising out of the prevailing militancy in the state”.

Omar said that during the past 21 years, the Army has helped the state in many ways, not just in maintaining security and law and order. “The Army has always been with the people in any kind of major crisis arising out of natural calamities and disasters or any other eventuality.”

“Although the Army may also be willing to go back to its primary task of managing and protecting country’s border, the internal security situation of the state is not so conductive for their moving out of the state and the Army is needed to maintain the internal security situation in the state,” he said.

He pointed out that there would be timely reduction in the Army’s presence in the state when the security situation normalises. “There has been marked improvement in the security situation and efforts are underway to bring about a situation of peace and tranquility so that the management of internal security situation is entrusted to the paramilitary forces and the state police,” he said.

“There was a massive political clamour demanding demilitarisation. I met Gen Deepak Kapoor on Tuesday morning and we both agreed that we will look at a programme to reduce the footprints of the Army and giving a greater role to paramilitary forces and the state police,” he added.

2,500 terrorists waiting to cross over: Army Chief

JAMMU: About 2,500 terrorists are waiting to sneak into J&K from across the border, Army Chief General Deepak Kapoor said here on Tuesday, pointing out that while ceasefire violations have come down, attacks on security forces have increased in the past few months. Kapoor said the terrorists are waiting for the right time to cross into India at various terrorist training camps in Pakistan-occupied-Kashmir. However, he said the security forces were ready to foil any infiltration bid.

 

[Kuuba]

Some Reasons :

1 China is not a part of S Asia.

2. The issue has to be settled bi laterally as agreed by Pk & India with no room for a 3rd party.

3. The China held part of J&K has 2 implications - One that was ceded by Pk & the other occupied by China after a war with India. The 1st has to be resolved / returned by Pk. The second has to be returned by China. In any case , both these are not part of the original prob. Once J&K returns to its rightful owner, the rest will follow. If not then the LC shall have to converted to an IB.

4. When the J&K prob began, china as we now know it did not exist.

Aksai Chin by all means is China's land, friend, no matter from history or actuality.

Your colonial ruler should have included the whole China into India's territory - is that what you wish? We are talking about some area where you had no activity and occupancy at all. If you are determined to go with this logic, you could claim the moon as part of India.

 

[gubbi]

We split into two nations along the lines of faith.....and kashmir is muslim.

All of you livin' la vida loca in an utopian world, reign in to your horses for good, your all weather friend has this to say:

China says Kashmir issue should be solved by India, Pakistan through dialogue

BEIJING, Nov. 24 (Xinhua) -- China Tuesday expressed hope that India and Pakistan could resolve the Kashmir issue bilaterally through dialogue and negotiations.

"China has consistent stance on the Kashmir issue," said Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang at a regular news briefing.

"The Kashmir issue is an issue between India and Pakistan left over by history. We hope the two sides could properly resolve the issue through dialogue and negotiations," Qin said.

Qin's remarks came after media reports quoted Mirwaiz Umar Farooq, chairman of All Parties Hurriyat Conference, a major political group in India-controlled Kashmir, that China has a stake in the region's peace.

Oh noes, the all weather friend ditched their pals!!

Beijing not taking sides on Kashmir: Chinese media

The Communist Party’s official newspapers played up a report on Monday, that insisted ‘China is not taking sides on Kashmir’.

The report may have sought to reassure New Delhi as tensions simmer over separate stapled Chinese visas for Kashmir residents, Chinese infrastructure investment in Azad Kashmir, and the planned visit of separatist leader Mirwaiz Umar Farooq to China. .......

China refuses to take Hurriyat bait, says not party to Kashmir conflict

BEIJING: China on Tuesday refused to be drawn into the renewed controversy over Kashmir, which has been ignited with Mirwaiz Umar Farooq,
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chairman of All Parties Hurriyat Conference, saying that Beijing should act as it had a stake in the region's peace.

"The Kashmir issue is an issue between India and Pakistan left over by history. We hope the two sides could properly resolve the issue through dialogue and negotiations," Qin Gang, the foreign ministry spokesman said in reply to a question seeking his response to Farooq’s remarks.

Qin’s statement is significant in view of India’s unhappiness over one portion of the joint declaration issued by China and the United States during Barack Obama’s recent visit to China. The statement said the two countries supported “the improvement of relations between India and Pakistan”.

@ all those wanting China to meddle in Kashmir..

EAT THAT!!

btw, FYI, China has its own vested interests vis-a-vis Kashmir and that is not going to make Pakistan happy!

 

[third eye]

Totally irrelevant.......you say china has a part of kashmir but then go onto to say its not in or part of south asia.

Relevance is something which is debatable. China has a part of J&K which it took by force. This in no way makes it a part of S Asia.

Pakistan has changed its mind......like you guys have done with the UN.

There are two parties to the issue - remember ? Going to the UN has no connection to China trying to fish in troubled waters. Neither does it remotely equate Ch with the UN.

But you indians keep bringing up the chinese bit of kashmir as being a problem.....you cant have it both ways.

India simply states facts which I have summarized in my post. Just coz China has a part of J&K - which happened much AFTER the prob began does not imply it too has a stake in its resolution. ..and we dont want it both ways at all.



So?

China has NO ROLE whatsoever in anything to do with J&K - it is a part of the problem therefore cannot be anything other than that. Its role in returning what it wrongly has should be handled by PK ( for the ceded part) & India ( for Aksai Chin) separately. Now its merely attempting to get involved in a prob it can do nothing in - obviously to further its own interests & stature in the region / world - something that will not happen.

" Begani Shaadi mein Abdullah diwana" - I would request some Indian / Pk friends to explain the meaning of this to our Chinese friends - this would illustrate how China is seen in India on this issue.

 

[dabong1]

All of you livin' la vida loca in an utopian world, reign in to your horses for good, your all weather friend has this to say:

So your saying pakistan and india where not split along the lines of faith...?

China says Kashmir issue should be solved by India, Pakistan through dialogue


Oh noes, the all weather friend ditched their pals!!

Beijing not taking sides on Kashmir: Chinese media


China refuses to take Hurriyat bait, says not party to Kashmir conflict
@ all those wanting China to meddle in Kashmir..

EAT THAT!!

So you think the chinese are going to shout out loud they have got themselfs into the kashmir game and that they support the kashmiris.

btw, FYI, China has its own vested interests vis-a-vis Kashmir and that is not going to make Pakistan happy!

The only people who are not happy with china getting a foothold in the kashmir problem is the indians.......if you want china to give up its bit of kashmir then there has to be a three way process....china-pakistan-india

 

[dabong1]

China has NO ROLE whatsoever in anything to do with J&K - it is a part of the problem therefore cannot be anything other than that.

India is the problem in kashmir.......what role can you guys play other then pull the occupation forces out and give a free vote to the people of kashmir to see what they want.......after all you indians keep telling us that the kashmiris love india so you would have no problem with the vote considering your going to win?

Its role in returning what it wrongly has should be handled by PK ( for the ceded part) & India ( for Aksai Chin) separately. Now its merely attempting to get involved in a prob it can do nothing in - obviously to further its own interests & stature in the region / world - something that will not happen.

So on one hand you agree that china has a part of kashmir but you dont want then involved in any peace process but you want the chinese to give up there bit.