Kashmir a bilateral issue for India, Pakistan: UK's Labour Party leader

[Raghav_101]

awww finally some ray of hope for India....koi to hay jo bola tere lye bhi

Oopar ka discussion padh ke aisa nahi lag rha. Mostly pakistani posters hi frustrated dikh rahe ki lo Labour walo ne bhi dhokha de diya.

Par aapke optimism ko salam. Ummeed hai takleef nahi hui hogi ye likhte hue aapko.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

All bad news is Fake news.



Do you think the generals who run pakistan are not aware that there are NO tangible benefit from a statement from a has been power ?

All they want is some "moral victory" that will placate the mob and help them continue their hold.

As of today UK economy is SMALLER than that of India.

They just want news headline that will justify putting imran khan on the PM seat.

So you honestly believe the indian media never lies.........:

https://thenextweb.com/security/201...ites-caught-pushing-anti-pakistan-propaganda/

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-50749764




indian economy is only marginally larger than the British economy but the indian population is nearly 30× greater than the British population..................indian GDP per capita is $2000 but the UK GDP per capita is $43,000...................which means that the UK economy is nearly 22× greater than that of india..............

 

[Turingsage]

The bile and the self-deceit here is gobsmacking. My the way Tony Blair converted to Catholicism though after his term.
Javid was a Home sec before becoming chancellor only to be booted out after a few days after Boris moved him and then fired him.
Slick

 

[Andhadhun]

indian economy is only marginally larger than the British economy but the indian population is nearly 30× greater than the British population..................indian GDP per capita is $2000 but the UK GDP per capita is $43,000...................which means that the UK economy is nearly 22× greater than that of india..............

Indian media as more credibility than british media.

The collective power of the Economy is what matters. Else UK GDP per capital is higher than china too

In any case, British economy is set to SHRINK by 6.5 % this year while India will grow.

So the gap is only going to get wider in coming years.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Indian media as more credibility than british media.

The collective power of the Economy is what matters. Else UK GDP per capital is higher than china too

In any case, British economy is set to SHRINK by 6.5 % this year while India will grow.

So the gap is only going to get wider in coming years.

..............read what you just wrote and thing about each points REALLY carefully.............

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

awww finally some ray of hope for India....koi to hay jo bola tere lye bhi

Are yaar...

More than 200 countries are in the world.

How many talk about Kashmir?
Let me list down -
China, Turkey........... And any?
Malaysia is a lost case. Now, they will not talk..

Its a achievement of Indian diplomacy... Credit where it due..

 

[Mr Happy]

..............read what you just wrote and thing about each points REALLY carefully.............

They need to eliminate poverty in India. That applies to every country. But it is very apparent in places like Mumbai.

Are yaar...

More than 200 countries are in the world.

How many talk about Kashmir?
Let me list down -
China, Turkey........... And any?
Malaysia is a lost case. Now, they will not talk..

Its a achievement of Indian diplomacy... Credit where it due..

Do you know what goes on in each country?
The world does not revolve around India, or any other sole country.

There are not more than 200 countries in the world. There are more than 200 countries and dependent territories, or dependencies in the world. Some are dependent territories such as Hong Kong and Taiwan. Hong Kong and Taiwan are dependent territories or dependencies of China. There are officially 195 countries.


https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...n-geographical-names-for-british-official-use


https://www.un.org/en/member-states/


https://www.state.gov/countries-areas/


https://www.worldometers.info/geography/countries-of-the-world/#example


As one can see from the links above, in the form of "official number of countries from the British and USA governments, and the United Nations."

 

[masterchief_mirza]

The Pakistani diaspora kind of captured Labour Party under the last leader. There are two aspects to this:
The Pakistani diaspora overwhelmingly votes for Labour making it an effective vote chunk compared to Indian diaspora that votes for both parties and is, therefore, more diffused
The Pakistani diaspora is geographically more concentrated than their Indian counterparts.

However, the recently the labour party's actions led to the Indian community jettisoning the party and moving to conservative. This is their attempt to keep the votes intact.

I have to say though at the end of the day, even if both conservative and labour said that Kashmir is an international issue or even that Kashmir should be Pakistani, I don't see that making an iota of difference to India on the ground. India is now economically strong and globally meshed enough that it doesn't matter what any other country says.

@waz , I am curious why Pakistanis still continue to seek international support on this. What's do they think will happen if Britain or any other country voices that Kashmir is an international issue?

You misunderstand the intention of defensive lobbying. The point is not to bring Britain or anybody else directly into a position of overt support for India or Pakistan. Rather, lobbying in the context of Kashmir is to reduce geopolitical damage whenever bilateral actions occur.

If Pakistan and India go to war over Kashmir, then a case needs to be built to keep others from automatically jumping in. Hence, both India and Pakistan demand an extreme position initially, only for the final point of equilibrium to rest somewhere in the middle, which is where it seems to be at present. If everyone is saying it's a "bilateral issue", "bilateral issue", "bilateral issue", then it is categorically not some "Indian war on terror or Indian war against historical hinduphobia", nor is it an "internal matter of India" the 3 main contexts that India tries to paint it as. Britain will never support India against UN resolutions.

If Pakistan nukes India today, it still won't be regarded as a terror attack against some poor innocent Hindu nation. It will be regarded as two guys fighting to the death for understandable reasons. So Delhi's narrative building remains non-validated.

Compare it with a scenario where some Palestinians nuked Israel. Immediately, it would be declared a terrorist and antisemitic action. This is because Israel has pretty much won the narrative battle. India will always fail to win such a narrative because frontline sanghees can't control their visceral unprovoked hatred for Indian Muslims, Kashmiri Muslims and Pakistanis.

 

[313ghazi]

@waz , I am curious why Pakistanis still continue to seek international support on this. What's do they think will happen if Britain or any other country voices that Kashmir is an international issue?

Ultimately the only real solution to Kashmir is military, however DG ISPR Asif Ghafoor did an excellent presentation on 5G warfare. He talked about how conflicts are now not limited to just the military aspect, there is finance, propaganda and dimplomacy which all form part of conflict management. In that presentation he focused on how the role of information (propaganda) side of the conflict.

However the diplomatic side is just as important. The BDS movement has hurt Israel more than any Arab war ever has. It hasn't crippled the economy, but it has crippled the image and highlighted the Palestinian brand. Western countries are now banning BDS to appease Israel.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

They need to eliminate poverty in India. That applies to every country. But it is very apparent in places like Mumbai.



Do you know what goes on in each country?
The world does not revolve around India, or any other sole country.

There are not more than 200 countries in the world. There are more than 200 countries and dependent territories, or dependencies in the world. Some are dependent territories such as Hong Kong and Taiwan. Hong Kong and Taiwan are dependent territories or dependencies of China. There are officially 195 countries.


https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...n-geographical-names-for-british-official-use


https://www.un.org/en/member-states/


https://www.state.gov/countries-areas/


https://www.worldometers.info/geography/countries-of-the-world/#example


As one can see from the links above, in the form of "official number of countries from the British and USA governments, and the United Nations."

The same I told, no one talk about Kashmir. Otherwise, we will know very easily because pak media does highlight on daily basis

 

[Mr Happy]

Are yaar...

More than 200 countries are in the world.

How many talk about Kashmir?
Let me list down -
China, Turkey........... And any?
Malaysia is a lost case. Now, they will not talk..

Its a achievement of Indian diplomacy... Credit where it due..

The same I told, no one talk about Kashmir. Otherwise, we will know very easily because pak media does highlight on daily basis

You have rich people with mansions and then slums in Mumbai. That is something that needs to be eliminated. It applies to other countries too.

I support the poor people, irrespective of their race or country. Everyone has a right to have food, clothes, and some accommodation. Also, to health facilities and education.

 

[ChennaiDude]

You have rich people with mansions and then slums in Mumbai. That is something that needs to be eliminated. It applies to other countries too.

I support the poor people irrespective of their race or country.

Yes- Thats a real issue that needs to be addressed on a war footing. Agree with this.

 

[Dark-Destroyer]

I wonder where all those Pakistanis who touted the Labour Party as the saviour of everything including Kashmir are. I told them from day one that these lot are not interested, but no the old narrative that the conservatives are evil and labour is angelic reigned.
Now take a long look. Expect similar statements on the Middle East soon I.e. Israel.

Shouldnt the British Pakistani and Kashmiri population ask their local elected MPs why their leader has made such a statement disregarding indias human rights violations and constant attacks on their minorities yet unable to see indias 700k troops deployment and constant terrorist activities against the Kashmiri population.

Boris has very very very close relationship with the Indian community that goes back decades. He is a personal friend of many Indian tycoons in India and the UK.
His Chancellor of the exchequer, Rishi Sunak, is the son of Narayan Murthi founder of Infosys. Boris is ensuring a very very fast promotion of Rishi who he seas as a potential leader of the conservatives.
Then of course SEVERAL of his SENIOR ministers are all from the Indian background.

That would be great Great Britain annexed by India what headlines

 

[waz]

Shouldnt the British Pakistani and Kashmiri population ask their local elected MPs why their leader has made such a statement disregarding indias human rights violations and constant attacks on their minorities yet unable to see indias 700k troops deployment and constant terrorist activities against the Kashmiri population.

They should but they won't out of party loyalty.

 

[Robbie]

You misunderstand the intention of defensive lobbying. The point is not to bring Britain or anybody else directly into a position of overt support for India or Pakistan. Rather, lobbying in the context of Kashmir is to reduce geopolitical damage whenever bilateral actions occur.

If Pakistan and India go to war over Kashmir, then a case needs to be built to keep others from automatically jumping in. Hence, both India and Pakistan demand an extreme position initially, only for the final point of equilibrium to rest somewhere in the middle, which is where it seems to be at present. If everyone is saying it's a "bilateral issue", "bilateral issue", "bilateral issue", then it is categorically not some "Indian war on terror or Indian war against historical hinduphobia", nor is it an "internal matter of India" the 3 main contexts that India tries to paint it as. Britain will never support India against UN resolutions.

If Pakistan nukes India today, it still won't be regarded as a terror attack against some poor innocent Hindu nation. It will be regarded as two guys fighting to the death for understandable reasons. So Delhi's narrative building remains non-validated.

Compare it with a scenario where some Palestinians nuked Israel. Immediately, it would be declared a terrorist and antisemitic action. This is because Israel has pretty much won the narrative battle. India will always fail to win such a narrative because frontline sanghees can't control their visceral unprovoked hatred for Indian Muslims, Kashmiri Muslims and Pakistanis.

Ultimately the only real solution to Kashmir is military, however DG ISPR Asif Ghafoor did an excellent presentation on 5G warfare. He talked about how conflicts are now not limited to just the military aspect, there is finance, propaganda and dimplomacy which all form part of conflict management. In that presentation he focused on how the role of information (propaganda) side of the conflict.

However the diplomatic side is just as important. The BDS movement has hurt Israel more than any Arab war ever has. It hasn't crippled the economy, but it has crippled the image and highlighted the Palestinian brand. Western countries are now banning BDS to appease Israel.

Thank you for your perspective.