Kashmir a bilateral issue for India, Pakistan: UK's Labour Party leader

[waz]

TBF Why should they care? The English have no connection or shared commonality with Pakistanis, Kashmiris or indians.

Of course! Yes they want ties and no war due to historical links but to think they would take sides was just stupid. There were even posters on here who believed Labour under Corbyn would make it all come about.
Anyway there’s reality which we can all see now.

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

What the party which helped destroy Iraq? No it’s not.
Muslims need to get on with their lives. The conservatives also have Muslims (Pakistanis) and they’ve done well.
British politics is not black and white.

I have never Understood this Muslim Love affair with Labour in the UK its not like Democrats vs republican in US the Mainstream UK politics is very different from US. Conservatives in UK are probably more liberal than the American Left.

 

[BHarwana]

Of course! Yes they want ties and no war due to historical links but to think they would take sides was just stupid. There were even posters on here who believed labour under Corbyn would make it all come about.
Anyway there’s reality which we can all see now.

Actually Corbyn had a positive stance for Kashmir issue but currently I will place more hope in Boris because of his personal relations.

 

[waz]

I have never Understood this Muslim Love affair with Labour in the UK its not like Democrats vs republican in US the Mainstream UK politics is very different from US. Conservatives in UK are probably more liberal than the American Left.

True, also many of our people just plain lack strategic vision. Using your example of American politics, Jewish folk have strong representation in both the democrats and republicans. Pakistanis in the U.K. have a lopsided presence more so in Labour than the conservatives and Labour haven’t seen power for 12 years, and are not likely to in the near future.
British Pakistanis are present in the conservatives but not in the numbers we should have. Our present chancellor and Home Secretary, who I like are both British Indian. The Indian community plays its cards well in certain respects.

Actually Corbyn had a positive stance for Kashmir issue but currently I will place more hope in Boris because of his personal relations.

Yes but he’s gone, got crushed in the election.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Of course! Yes they want ties and no war due to historical links but to think they would take sides was just stupid. There were even posters on here who believed Labour under Corbyn would make it all come about.
Anyway there’s reality which we can all see now.

Us Pakistanis don't need outside help to achieve our aims. We just need to take responsibility for our own destiny and work hard to achieve our goals. Once we do that, no one can stop us.

 

[waz]

Us Pakistanis don't need outside help to achieve our aims. We just need to take responsibility for our own destiny and work hard to achieve our goals. Once we do that, no one can stop us.

Ameen/amen bro, sadly many of our folks want some saviour.

 

[313ghazi]

Well isn't Labour better than Conservatives for Muslims? Corbyn is much better than Boris

Corbyn was - but he's no longer in charge.

I'm a life long labour supporter, and in the last month i've realised the party is unelectable. It's a dead duck. If our community had any sense people would be sitting down and talking with Conservative and Lib Dem candidates, telling them what they want in return for their support.

A recently leaked report showed a few things about the Labour party that told me it won't get elected again in a generation.

1. The party routinely ignored and failed to properly process accusations of discrimination. Regardless of if these were from Jews, Muslims, black people - they all got ignored or white washed.

2. The party is deeply factured internally. Senior members of the party were communicating their hopes that they'd lose an election. These people were working hard to undermine Jeremy Corbyn and his supporters within the party. It was clear in the 2017 election with how little campaigning more centralist politicians did - other than in their own seats.

The party is a dead duck now.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Actually Corbyn had a positive stance for Kashmir issue but currently I will place more hope in Boris because of his personal relations.

Truth is, NO ONE is going to come and help Pakistan. If we are going to liberate IOK and become a powerful and developed nation, we need to do it ourselves and stop looking to outsiders to save us. This saviour complex we have for non-Pakistanis needs to stop.

Ameen/amen bro, sadly many of our folks want some saviour.

The biggest threat to Pakistan is not india or it's military but the saviour complex Pakistanis have for non-Pakistanis.

 

[Turingsage]

Boris because of his personal relations.

Boris has very very very close relationship with the Indian community that goes back decades. He is a personal friend of many Indian tycoons in India and the UK.
His Chancellor of the exchequer, Rishi Sunak, is the son of Narayan Murthi founder of Infosys. Boris is ensuring a very very fast promotion of Rishi who he seas as a potential leader of the conservatives.
Then of course SEVERAL of his SENIOR ministers are all from the Indian background.

 

[BHarwana]

Truth is, NO ONE is going to come and help Pakistan. If we are going to liberate IOK and become a powerful and developed nation, we need to do it ourselves and stop looking to outsiders to save us. This saviour complex we have for non-Pakistanis needs to stop.

This is never about getting help to liberate Kashmir. The maim reason of diplomacy is when you make your move you have your back covered. Obviously UK will not help cause of our china aligned policy, still diplomacy is necessary for making a case in international institutions.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1256125164481392641

 

[waz]

Boris has very very very close relationship with the Indian community that goes back decades. He is a personal friend of many Indian tycoons in India and the UK.
His Chancellor of the exchequer, Rishi Sunak, is the son of Narayan Murthi founder of Infosys. Boris is ensuring a very very fast promotion of Rishi who he seas as a potential leader of the conservatives.
Then of course SEVERAL of his SENIOR ministers are all from the Indian background.

Rishi as good as he is will never lead the conservatives for one obvious reason, he’s not white or Protestant. The U.K. has made huge strides for minority integration but the mass of the people will simply not accept a non ethnic Brit leading.
As for fast promotion do remember he got the job due to Sajid Javid quitting, someone who mentored him. Even though Javid and Boris are friends it was policy clash which meant he couldn’t continue in the role.

 

[fitpOsitive]

Kashmir a bilateral issue for India, Pakistan: UK's Labour Party leader
"Any constitutional issues in India are a matter for the Indian Parliament and Kashmir is a bilateral issue for India and Pakistan to resolve peacefully" -- Sir Kier Starmer, new leader of the Labour Party, the main opposition party of Britain, said.

• • Loveena Tandon
• London
• May 1, 2020
• UPDATED: May 1, 2020 08:18 IST

Kashmir a bilateral issue for India, Pakistan: UK's Labour Party leader. (Image for representation: PTI)

Kashmir is a bilateral issue for India and Pakistan -- Sir Kier Starmer, new leader of the Labour Party, the main opposition party of Britain, said.

On April 30, in a joint statement released by Labour Friends of India and Sir Kier Starmer, the new leader of the Labour Party said,

"We must not allow issues of the sub-continent to divide communities here. Any constitutional issues in India are a matter for the Indian Parliament and Kashmir is a bilateral issue for India and Pakistan to resolve peacefully. Labour is an internationalist Party and stands for the defence of human rights everywhere."

"Britons of Indian-origin contribute so much to the UK and to the Labour Party. I'm committed to working closely with Labour Friends of India to rebuild trust with the community," he said.

This is a major step towards mending the relationship with the Indian diaspora in the UK and a friendly hand towards India.

The Labour party under Jeremy Corbyn on September 25 last year, in its party conference in Brighton, passed a resolution that supports "International intervention in Kashmir and a call for UN-led referendum.'

This had upset not only the Indian diaspora in the UK but also the Government of India. Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) spokesperson Raveesh Kumar had then expressed regret and had called it an "uninformed and unfounded position."

Starmer, in the joint statement also said, "A Labour government under my leadership will be determined to build even stronger business links with India and to co-operate on the global stage on issues such as climate change. I look forward to meeting the Indian High Commissioner in due course to open a renewed dialogue between the Labour Party and the people of India."

Welcoming the stance taken by Sir Starmer, Rajesh Agrawal, Co-Chair of Labour Friends of India and Deputy Mayor of London for business, said: "I congratulate Keir Starmer on his election as a leader. I really welcome his commitment to rebuilding strong links between the Labour Party and the Indian community. This has been a great start and Keir has achieved a lot in the short span of a couple of weeks.

Labour Friends of India will work closely with him and will continue to promote UK-India ties as well as continuing to raise any issues from the community to the leadership."

One of the senior lawyers in the UK, Sir Kier Starmer, before getting elected as an MP to the British Parliament in 2015, was head of Crown Prosecution Service.

Starmer was a "remainer" as far as Brexit goes and also supported the call for a second referendum.

Sir Kier Starmer was elected as the leader of the Labour Party in April 2020 amidst the coronavirus pandemic.

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/sto...tan-uk-labour-party-leader-1673081-2020-05-01

Yes Britain, its u who left this issue unresolved. Our generations are paying price for that.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

"Any constitutional issues in India are a matter for the Indian Parliament and Kashmir is a bilateral issue for India and Pakistan (Here he said it is bilateral issue) to resolve peacefully" (Here he poked his nose in a bilateral issue by advising how to resolve it.)

If the issue is bilateral then how can he get involved in advising how to resolve it. This mean Kashmir is too lethal to let it be bilateral and international intervention is needed in Kashmir to stop any mishap and human rights violation by India. He proved him self wrong with his own statement .

I think he's fobbing off the overseas sanghees by sitting on the fence. He has added a statement about human rights also, so I fully expect overseas Pakistanis and Kashmiris to hold him to that in the context of the Kashmir conflict.

It's good that our friends in Delhi have finally accepted that Kashmir is not their internal matter.

 

[313ghazi]

I have never Understood this Muslim Love affair with Labour in the UK its not like Democrats vs republican in US the Mainstream UK politics is very different from US. Conservatives in UK are probably more liberal than the American Left.

True, also many of our people just plain lack strategic vision. Using your example of American politics, Jewish folk have strong representation in both the democrats and republicans. Pakistanis in the U.K. have a lopsided presence more so in Labour than the conservatives and Labour haven’t seen power for 12 years, and are not likely to in the near future.
British Pakistanis are present in the conservatives but not in the numbers we should have. Our present chancellor and Home Secretary, who I like are both British Indian. The Indian community plays its cards well in certain respects.



Yes but he’s gone, got crushed in the election.

Like Waz said, it's political immaturity but also a bit of history. In the 70's the Conservative party were running with slogans like "if you want a **** for a neighbour, vote labour". That was never going to attract our people.

The time to diversify our political interests was post 2000 with Labour really strong. The Tories were weak and would have been more open to looking into our demands as a community. Instead we remained on the Labour bus.

Recently we've been in a position where labour take our vote for granted and the conservatives dismiss their chances to get our votes.

There is still scope, especially in local politics, and places where the victory margins were slim and a few thousand Pakistani votes could swing the result the other way.

The thing is, even when we are in politics, what do we look at? local issues - pot holes, school funding, racism, sway in personal matters with the state, etc. As a community we ask very little of our politicians.

The blame for this lies in my opinion with the Pakistan embassy and high commissions in the UK. These guys are only involved with their local chamchay - they make no efforts with anyone else and they generally detest anyone who visits for the purposes of NADRA or visas. In Birmingham (a city close to me), this process is now handled by a Gerry's office and it is so much more efficient and professional. They need to get their head out of thier *** and coordinate efforts to engage with the Pakistani diaspora, to build bridges and to then utilise the 1.2 million British Pakistani's to further the interests of Pakistan.

A few simple examples of what these idiots could do;

1. Not make life hell when applying for visas and NADRA services
2. Provide support to people who are trying to get spouses over to the UK.
3. Provide support to people who are trying to buy land in Pakistan, or need legal advise.
4. Provide support to Pakistani's who want to come to the UK on visit, business, study visas. These guys could stay on top of the requirements to get visas and disseminate that information in Pakistan and here in the UK too.
5. Hold events about Pakistaniyat in Pakistani communities
6. Help Pakistani artisans and businsess come to the UK and hold fairs and events, link exporters to the diaspora here as well as the wider business community.

There are loads more, instead these guys just take their wages and spit at anyone wanting help.