Karzai urges Taliban to fight Pakistan

[Armstrong]

The land belongs to pashtuns, baloches and other people living there so it is up to them to determin where and how they want to live, this has been the offcial position of Afghanistan but as panjabis considers themseleves they illagimate child of Angrez they claimed of inheriting these land form their Angreez father and thats why they are against any peaceful way of solving this issue.

First off where was this Official & Unofficial Love when you threw them to the Brits to save your own skins ?

Secondly they choose to join Pakistan; there was a referendum in KP & all the Princely States of Baluchistan baring Kalat opted for Pakistan !

Thirdly, Afghanistan hasn't been peaceful one bit - You've been festering an uprising against Pakistan in the Pashtun areas since the beginning & getting a bloody nose in turn delivered not by the Punjabis but by the Pashtuns themselves !

Where the heck is @Hyperion when you need him ?

 

[Adamkhel]

I know literacy isn't a big thing in Afghanistan & rationality is as unknown to Afghans as the word Loyalty is but even an imbecile knows that there is no such thing as Junnaism & its Jinnah !

It were the Pukhtoons of the Tribal Areas & the Pukhtoons of KP who welcomed Jinnah, agreed with him on the notion of Islamic Brotherhood & joined Pakistan !

This doesn't proof anything even pashtuns have welcome usama bin ladan also on the notion of islamic brotherhood and pashtuns would welcome even a mulism from Somalia or Malaysia as well. To use islam in order to trap pashtuns inside Pakistan was a very low trick by panjabis and junna

They were made Refugees because you thought of inviting the Soviets in & then went a step further by instigating Pashtunistan once more !

They were refugees because your government created islamist groups and used them to destablize the country. People like Gulbiden and Massoud have been in Pakistan in the begining of 70s to receive training and aide by pakistani government.

Its some miracle that Pakistan still has the good faith of housing millions of the same people that dream of cut the country up & abuse it 24/7 !

Afghaanistan are not refugee in KPK or pashtun areas of Baluchistan. They are inside their own land but afghans who live in panjab and sindh can be regarded as refugees

 

[Jungibaaz]

SO you admit that the plot against the prosperity of afghans and Afghanistan is made in Pakistan?
Karzai doesn't mention any name he just say to fight those who sends you to kill afghans. The only bastard are those who give themselves the right to train/fund/aide/shelter to terrorist and send them to afghanistan for killiong afghans but they don't like the victim country to point finger on them. This simple fact shows that you are far away from humanity and that the concept of Junnaism damaged you all for ever.

You guys are such hypocrites.

What happened during the 60's and 70's? You fckers supported insurgency in Pakistan.
Both in FATA and Balochistan.

In fact, Daoud Khan pursued this idea of 'Pushtunistan' and reunion of FATA and KPK with Afghanistan.

Afghan militia regularly had exchange of fire with tribals in FATA and we has regular Afghan incursion.
Also a propaganda war was waged. You even used the radio to air propaganda, anti-Pakistan propaganda.

But remember that back then in 1960. PA had no presence in FATA, govt wasn't there either, not a single penny collected in tax.
Tribal law and life ruled.

In 1962, Afghan military led an incursion into Bajaur. The Nawab (I can't remember his name) along with tribesman fought off the Afghans, but when Afghan military bought more troops in the Nawab asked PA for help. Ayub Khan approved, PA with the help of tribals slaughtered the intruders and the Afghans retreated.

You even bred, armed and trained separatists to go fight in balochistan.
Throughout the 70's they had camps in Afghanistan.

Despite all that, we bailed your ungrateful ***.
Count your stars lad, else today, you may have Russian as your first language.

Ofcourse you do and the day will come that we will pay you with the same coin.

You guys have history of killing each other or fighting others, there's no such thing as peace.
Even when there is some peace, never an end to warmongering.

And don't ignore my point, your country is an ethnic battle ground.
Karzai and Tajik Kabul ministers and the taliban. The US made a big mistake by siding with the NA when it invaded, it too is now embroiled in an ethnic war.

Ofcouse you are against the TTP which are operating mainly inside Pakistan but you support/train and even created taliban which are idealogically not diffrent from TTP because they operate in Afghanistan. Doesn't only this is not enough for those so called stupid westerners to see the dubble standard and moral of Pakistanis

I'd rather have a friendly extremists government in Afghan, then an unfriendly, ungrateful, whiny, biatchy and warmongering government with nothing better to do then use extremists against us instead.

 

[Adamkhel]

First off where was this Official & Unofficial Love when you threw them to the Brits to save your own skins ?

Secondly they choose to join Pakistan; there was a referendum in KP & all the Princely States of Baluchistan baring Kalat opted for Pakistan !

Thirdly, Afghanistan hasn't been peaceful one bit - You've been festering an uprising against Pakistan in the Pashtun areas since the beginning & getting a bloody nose in turn delivered not by the Punjabis but by the Pashtuns themselves !

Where the heck is @Hyperion when you need him ?

If you have so much faith of the loyality of pashtun living in pakistan then why can't you organise a big press conference or a jirga inside pakistan where they proclaim once for all that they are happy with Pakistan( inside Pakistan) and that they don't want to join Afghanistan and they do not want independce since they are and feel independet inside Pakistan. How difficult is that for your government to set up such a meeting in order to end this enimity between our nations? Thereby we afghans come to knowledge that the pashtuns or the otherside are happy and don't need us.

 

[Armstrong]

This doesn't proof anything even pashtuns have welcome usama bin ladan also on the notion of islamic brotherhood and pashtuns would welcome even a mulism from Somalia or Malaysia as well. To use islam in order to trap pashtuns inside Pakistan was a very low trick by panjabis and junna

On the contrary Jinnah was respected by the Pashtuns & trusted by him & that is why they agreed to join Pakistan !

On the other hand Afghanistan has used the cheap parlor trick of conjuring up the 'poor Pashtun' image over & over again along with 'Pashtun Nationalism' to sow discord between Pashtuns & Non Pashtuns of Pakistan but have failed miserably !

They were refugees because your government created islamist groups and used them to destablize the country. People like Gulbiden and Massoud have been in Pakistan in the begining of 70s to receive training and aide by pakistani government.

What BS when you invited the Soviets into Afghanistan....it wasn't Gul Budun or Masood who rose up in revolt against the Soviets but the Pashtun Tribes of Afghanistan & when you started the massacres with your Soviet Masters it were the Pashtuns of Pakistan & the People of Pakistan who rose up to save your skins - Something we regret till this date !

Afghaanistan are not refugee in KPK or pashtun areas of Baluchistan. They are inside their own land but afghans who live in panjab and sindh can be regarded as refugees

KP or Baluchistan isn't Afghan Lands & the Lar Pukhtoons have made it abundantly clear by showing the Afghans the middle finger every time you've tried to fester discord between the Pukhtoons & Non Pukhtoons of Pakistan !

 

[PakistaniandProud]

We give countless aid to the Afghan, housing them, feeding them, clothing them, allowing them to study in our universities, treating their cancer patients in our cancer hospital, and this is how they repay us?

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/afghan...emies-after-pakistan-clash.html#ixzz2SPQm7pBo

 

[Adamkhel]

I'd rather have a friendly extremists government in Afghan, then an unfriendly, ungrateful, whiny, biatchy and warmongering government with nothing better to do then use extremists against us instead.

Exactly and this is what pakistani is trying very hard to achieve. Again you pakistanis are wrongly focusing on wrong issues. As a patriot pakistani why should ask yourselves why a good goverment in afghanistan is unfriendly to you?
What is the reason that of all 204 countries of the world we don't like your state?

 

[Armstrong]

If you have so much faith of the loyality of pashtun living in pakistan then why can't you organise a big press conference or a jirga inside pakistan where they proclaim once for all that they are happy with Pakistan( inside Pakistan) and that they don't want to join Afghanistan and they do not want independce since they are and feel independet inside Pakistan. How difficult is that for your government to set up such a meeting in order to end this enimity between our nations? Thereby we afghans come to knowledge that the pashtuns or the otherside are happy and don't need us.

Because the Pukhtoons of Pakistan have categorically said that a Million times as they did in '47 & ever since that day till now despite your repeated attempts to emotionally blackmail them through nefarious propaganda ! From the Bajaur incursion of '60 to the recent overtures of Afghans in the '80s they've told you countless times that they are Pakistanis !

Even your so-called Pukhtoon Nationalists in Achakzai & Asfandyar have said that they are happy to be in Pakistan & are Pakistanis !

And besides you yourself just claimed that majority of the Lar Pukhtoons are happy to call themselves Pakistanis !

Had Pakistan wished any ill-will to Afghanistan & wanted enmity we wouldn't have left every stone unturned into forming Brotherly Relations with Afghanistan in the past despite your poisonous propaganda & then hosted millions of you in Pakistan out of Muslim Brotherhood; its the Afghans who've struck up this enmity in perpetuity & haven't left a single opportunity pass to create problems for Pakistan !

 

[Adamkhel]

We give countless aid to the Afghan, housing them, feeding them, clothing them, allowing them to study in our universities, treating their cancer patients in our cancer hospital, and this is how they repay us?

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/afghan...emies-after-pakistan-clash.html#ixzz2SPQm7pBo

Really, This is what you have been doing in all past years.

Because the Pukhtoons of Pakistan have categorically said that a Million times as they did in '47 & ever since that day till now despite your repeated attempts to emotionally blackmail them through nefarious propaganda ! From the Bajaur incursion of '60 to the recent overtures of Afghans in the '80s they've told you countless times that they are Pakistanis !

Even your so-called Pukhtoon Nationalists in Achakzai & Asfandyar have said that they are happy to be in Pakistan & are Pakistanis !

And besides you yourself just claimed that majority of the Lar Pukhtoons are happy to call themselves Pakistanis !

Had Pakistan wished any ill-will to Afghanistan & wanted enmity we wouldn't have left every stone unturned into forming Brotherly Relations with Afghanistan in the past despite your poisonous propaganda & then hosted millions of you in Pakistan out of Muslim Brotherhood; its the Afghans who've struck up this enmity in perpetuity & haven't left a single opportunity pass to create problems for Pakistan !

Let me ask you a personal question, Are you a pashtun?

 

[Armstrong]

Let me ask you a personal question, Are you a pashtun?

No, I'm a Kashmiri but I've got countless Pashtuns in my family & friends some of whom are even Tribal Pashtuns at that !

 

[PakistaniandProud]

Really, This is what you have been doing in all past years.



Let me ask you a personal question, Are you a pashtun?

What have we been doing? Idk about @Armstrong, but I am Pashtun. And many pro Pakistanis are Pashtun on this forum, why do you ask?

 

[Armstrong]

What have we been doing? Idk about @Armstrong, but I am Pashtun. And many pro Pakistanis are Pashtun on this forum, why do you ask?

Hes probably going to come up with a retort that goes to the tune of 'then you don't understand Pashtuns & what they want' or some similar BS notion as if I can't see, hear & read ! Or that I can't talk to the many Pashtuns in my friends & family !

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

I agree with you. I have to also admit that I was shocked when I for the first time talked to pashtun who said that he was proud Pakistani and after a while I noticed that the majority of pakistani pashtuns are indeed proud about being pakistani which is understandable giving how the situation has been in Afghanistan in the past 35 years. The Pakistani government has been very successful in replacing the sense of nationalism of pashtuns with islamism and thats why today the pashtun areas of pakistan are the most islamised or radicalized area in the whole islamic world. The pakistan instituation and social structure are designed so that the only way for a pashtun to be successful is to accept Pakistan, otherwise he and lose everything and wouldn't have access to anything not mention being killed or jailed.
I doubt that so many pashtun would call themselves pakistani if they had some real alternatives of living if they had some real back up to fight for their couse.

I think we afghans need a closure for this problem and this can be achived in two ways
number one through a fair refrandum under UN supervision
number two the so called leaders of pashtun nationalists like Mahmud khan Achikzai, Esfandyar wali and etc in a join conference declare that they are being a pakistani and that they don't have any kind of intension of joining Afghanistan thats all so that we afghans know that you are happy and we for sure will respect your decision and would recognize the border. As you know you leaders when they came to Afghanistan they are giving long speaches about the miserbale life of pashtuns in pakistan and express their wish of one unified afghan nation. When we afghans hear all this then ofcourse we feel responsible to help our pashtun brothers and sisters.

In the initial days Pakhtunistan was a burning issue. Ajab khan Afridi and Faqir of IPI advocated for independent pakhtunistan and Bacha khan advocated for autonomous pakhtunistan province....but it failed to gain momentum and soon subsided....After that mere mentioning of word Pashtun nationalism was raising eye brows....Through education, literature and media, muslim nationalism was promoted and ethnic nationalism was highly discouraged and deemed unislamic...one of the word that was connecting lar pakhtuns with bar ones was "afghan", it was made sure that they are disconnected from it. Interestingly in domiciles of our fathers and old land records our nasal is written Afghan...Moreover intensive urdufication took place all over Pakistan....The institutionalized pakhtuns of nowadays dont know about their history, heroes and literature, they are as much pakistanized as lahoris...its not that there is any ban on pashto and pashtun matters, but any institutionalized lar pakhtun within pakistani enviroment wont feel appetite for pashtuniyat.
Interesting the least educated, least pakistanized tribals of FATA have still that spark which they used to have against british.....But they are radicalized by ISI since russian war , so in the form of taliban they are on different path...
ANP is doing politics in the name of pakhtun nationalism, they have established ties with military establishment....they even dont talk about Afghanistan...
So wrora the thing is pakistani pakhtuns themeselves are giving up on their langauge, identity, culture, history etc, i wont put blame on punjabis...as pakhtuns are 4 thousands year old nation so desification process and assimilation is extremely slow...but it is a solid fact that if Pakistan remained intact for hundreds of years, as many claim, there would be no pakhto and pakhtunwali in KPK ...my descendants would look and behave like irfan pathan (indian cricketer) and they might be speaking urdu or punjabi.
Moral of the story: keep the territorial integration of Afghanistan at all cost !, make firm unity with tajiks and others, and give up on the doomed ones i.e lar pakhtuns.

 

[Bratva]

The land belongs to pashtuns, baloches and other people living there so it is up to them to determin where and how they want to live, this has been the offcial position of Afghanistan but as panjabis considers themseleves they illagimate child of Angrez they claimed of inheriting these land form their Angreez father and thats why they are against any peaceful way of solving this issue.

Afghanistan is in a shyte hole, first sort out your issues with tajiks and ther ethnicities than came and talk with Pakistanis.

This doesn't proof anything even pashtuns have welcome usama bin ladan also on the notion of islamic brotherhood and pashtuns would welcome even a mulism from Somalia or Malaysia as well. To use islam in order to trap pashtuns inside Pakistan was a very low trick by panjabis and junna



They were refugees because your government created islamist groups and used them to destablize the country. People like Gulbiden and Massoud have been in Pakistan in the begining of 70s to receive training and aide by pakistani government.


Afghaanistan are not refugee in KPK or pashtun areas of Baluchistan. They are inside their own land but afghans who live in panjab and sindh can be regarded as refugees

An afghan talking about punjabis and sindhis. So who invaded Bajaur and got a a.s.s beating? The fact is you afghanis are the worst miscreants who can't live in peace and would destroy your neighbours peace as well. First you call russian daddies to rule afghanistan, then resistance started, then civilian war started. Afghans have created mischief so far in the region

 

[Bratva]

If you have so much faith of the loyality of pashtun living in pakistan then why can't you organise a big press conference or a jirga inside pakistan where they proclaim once for all that they are happy with Pakistan( inside Pakistan) and that they don't want to join Afghanistan and they do not want independce since they are and feel independet inside Pakistan. How difficult is that for your government to set up such a meeting in order to end this enimity between our nations? Thereby we afghans come to knowledge that the pashtuns or the otherside are happy and don't need us.

First make peace with tajiks and uzbeks and Hazara walas in your own country, Last time Pashtuns came to rule, all were massacred mercilessly. Instead of asking Pakistan to hold jargas