Karachi-bound ship carrying explosives intercepted

[Hutchroy]

i dont mince words for bashing India where it due to bash it for its orangish misadventures against Pakistan.

call me a Hawk, i dont care neither i have to mince words for getting useless thanks from anti-Pakistan elements.

Ms. Jana : This ship seems to have brought "Arms" from West Africa but it first seemingly went to Bangladesh.

Why so?

Pakistan is "on the way" between West Africa and Bangladesh and as such the ship should have gone to Pakistan First and then gone to Bangladesh.

Why did the ship go to Bangladesh First and then "Double Back" to Pakistan?

 

[indian navy]

Ms. Jana : This ship seems to have brought "Arms" from West Africa but it first seemingly went to Bangladesh.

Why so?

Pakistan is "on the way" between West Africa and Bangladesh and as such the ship should have gone to Pakistan First and then gone to Bangladesh.

Why did the ship go to Bangladesh First and then "Double Back" to Pakistan?

well they have extra time and fuel

 

[Iggy]

Your orange media gave the impression that if Pakistani army was exporting weapons, and you guys on the forum were behaving like Your India had saved Pakistan from many terror attacks buy busting the shipment

I feel like you are saying that its better that your countrymen die in a explosion than Indians saved your country from it ..as per the news the ship was inbound to Pakistan...and the vessel had not provided the mandatory declarations for carrying explosives to the Kolkata Port Trust and customs officials..so what you wanted Indian officials to do??left that ship alone..as responsible officers they had done their duty..what if it was actually a ship carrying explosive for another blasts in one of your cities??how many would have been killed?did you even think about it??..and whats orange in this news??A ship with out proper documents carrying explosives bound to a Pakistani city is intercepted..is it not a news for you??any way you are the reporter not me..you know better ..

 

[Hutchroy]

We do not know how they got clearance from CTG port without proper documentations prior to sail en route to Kolkata. The confusion could have been avoided if the Bangladesh Port officials looked into this matter at the first place.
People learn better when it involves money. There is sufficient ground to fine this ship. We can not get in to diplomatic crisis for some paper error.

This raises the following points :

- These Goods which were not documented for Kolkata but were documented in Bangladesh. In this case these goods could be supplied to Terrorist in India or Pakistan. This developments point to Bangladesh's involvement.

- These Goods which were neither documented for Kolkata nor were documented in Bangladesh. In this case the Bangladesh Authorities were either sleeping or part of a plot either against India or Pakistan.

- If these goods were neither documented for Kolkata nor in Bangladesh then it is also possible that the Bangladesh Authorities were not aware and possibly the plot to smuggle them into India or Pakistan was hatched by those who were sending the goods to the Major in the Pakistan Army in which case if not official then the Arms were being sent to Non-State Actors of Pakistan and certain High Ups possibly in Bangladesh and Pakistan wee involved.

As such it is incumbent on the Bangladesh as well as Pakistan Government to get to the bottom of this matter as it seems to be a plot to cause a breach in either of the two countries’ Security.

 

[Old School]

This raises the following points :

- These Goods which were not documented for Kolkata but were documented in Bangladesh. In this case these goods could be supplied to Terrorist in India or Pakistan. This developments point to Bangladesh's involvement.

- These Goods which were neither documented for Kolkata nor were documented in Bangladesh. In this case the Bangladesh Authorities were either sleeping or part of a plot either against India or Pakistan.

- If these goods were neither documented for Kolkata nor in Bangladesh then it is also possible that the Bangladesh Authorities were not aware and possibly the plot to smuggle them into India or Pakistan was hatched by those who were sending the goods to the Major in the Pakistan Army in which case if not official then the Arms were being sent to Non-State Actors of Pakistan and certain High Ups possibly in Bangladesh and Pakistan wee involved.

As such it is incumbent on the Bangladesh as well as Pakistan Government to get to the bottom of this matter as it seems to be a plot to cause a breach in either of the two countries’ Security.

All of the the possibilities that you have mentioned are well grounded. However , there are more possibilities. Trawlers might have loaded this consignment while that ship was between Chittagong and Kolkata. Trawlers were safely used to smuggle ten trucks of weapon which led to the largest arms haul in Chittagong in 2004. If this is the case , Chittagong port can not know about the consignment.
We need to strongly focus on the end user. If these weapon were really decommissioned in Monrovia by the UNMIL , there must be documentation of the decommission. We need to see those documents.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Ms. Jana : This ship seems to have brought "Arms" from West Africa but it first seemingly went to Bangladesh.

Why so?

Pakistan is "on the way" between West Africa and Bangladesh and as such the ship should have gone to Pakistan First and then gone to Bangladesh.

Why did the ship go to Bangladesh First and then "Double Back" to Pakistan?

Pakistan is not North Korea we make freaking Missiles and Tanks and Guns and Rifles and high tech weapons that you don't even know about ....



These stupid tactics may work on North Korea , you stop our sailors or ships in future youc can expect a retalition

Last thing we want is shipment of weapons from Africa for our need lol


As for the question why they went to Dhaka , well we are promoting gwadar once international traders will stop there we will not have any issues by all means do stop over in GWADAR the new port and hub for South Asia

 

[Capt.Popeye]

All of the the possibilities that you have mentioned are well grounded. However , there are more possibilities. Trawlers might have loaded this consignment while that ship was between Chittagong and Kolkata. Trawlers were safely used to smuggle ten trucks of weapon which led to the largest arms haul in Chittagong in 2004. If this is the case , Chittagong port can not know about the consignment.
We need to strongly focus on the end user. If these weapon were really decommissioned in Monrovia by the UNMIL , there must be documentation of the decommission. We need to see those documents.

What you are speaking about is indeed is a possible scenario; but IMO, that is probably unlikely in this case. It seems to be simply a matter of undeclared cargo; in this case undeclared ordnance. Though there are some 'red flags' here: a military cargo that can be misused by terrorists, the fact that it seems to consigned to some Major in the PA and so on. Therefore it has attracted the attention of the authorities. In an earlier post, somebody else had even asked the question why multiple agencies (IN, Coast Guard, Customs, Police etc.) are involved in this investigation? Because there are security implications all these agencies are involved. The investigation will proceed on the basis of 'elimination of possibilities' to finally reach the logical conclusion. About UNMIL certification even that will be sought, and even if produced, there will be physical verification of the contents of the cargo to check for discrepancies if any. Even the matter of the consignee being a named individual PA officer will be checked. Does such an officer exist; is he serving or retired, if he is serving then what is his 'locus standi', if retired- then another 'red flag' will need to be resolved. After all, there have been cases like the Sqn. Ldr.(R)Khwaja and other such people and their connection to people of dubious antecedents. Though this may be simply a case of wrong documentation to a named officer in logistics section of PA instead of a designated officer (in which case the PA procedures probably were not followed).
There have been many posts on this thread which seem to be based either on ignorance or on emotion, hence my long-winded explanation.
@Old School
Judging from the tone and tenor of your posts, it is apparent that you have a good insight in to the matters at hand, possibly better than i can have. Hence IMHO, the explanations are not required by you.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Mind your words here, better not get personal.

Another violation, and you are out.

Talk about the news rather then about the poster.

You have raised a very important point here; there is indeed too much of that happening and this thread is no exception. i find no reason to condone this.
But you do need to consider some facts here, when some members here talked about 'media-bias'; specifically Indian media, i made some efforts to investigate and check. For one thing, the Indian media (which may not be considered to be a paragon of virtue) has not alleged any specific thing about the arms and its intended use. Even GOI has not gone to town talking about any Governmental or Agency links (given its fondness for ISI etc.).
i know that there are posters here who find it easier to post on the basis of emotion rather than reason, but it still mystifies me how one can see 'colors of a rainbow where no rainbow exists'.

 

[ejaz007]

I did not had the time to go through the entire thread however last couple of posts suggests that the weapons found on the ship, if any are being linked with Pakistan. The ship indeed was destined for Karachi but the shipment it was carrying or is carrying is for UN and not for government of Pakistan. So if any arms have been found than questions should be asked to UN and not GOP.

Don't link every thing to GOP.

Perhaps UN too wants to make a bit of profit

 

[Capt.Popeye]

I did not had the time to go through the entire thread however last couple of posts suggests that the weapons found on the ship, if any are being linked with Pakistan. The ship indeed was destined for Karachi but the shipment it was carrying or is carrying is for UN and not for government of Pakistan. So if any arms have been found than questions should be asked to UN and not GOP.

Don't link every thing to GOP.

Perhaps UN too wants to make a bit of profit

A clarification is in order here:
The UN has no army of its own and in consequence no arms of its own. When it proposes to send an army somewhere (who BTW are called 'Peacekeepers') it asks member governments to contribute soldiers to form that 'Peacekeeping Force'. Whichever government chooses to participate, then deputes personnel and equipment (weapons and vehicles etc.). India, Bangladesh and Pakistan among other countries have been regular contributors.
Apparently here, the weapons belonged to a Pakistani contingent of the UN force. Therefore the Pakistani link. You rightly said that the questions should be addressed to the UN. It has been done. But it is still the property of PA i.e. GOP. Therefore the GOP has an interest in seeing its property back in its control safely.
Now the issue here is that this cargo was undeclared. Hence UNO and GOP would have some interest (not to mention responsibility) in proving its legitimacy.
And finally, this is not really a military matter, but a clear breach of 'commercial rules' with 'serious security implications' solely because of the nature of the cargo.
Please go through the thread (and the other one as well), might explain the context better.

 

[Old School]

Even the matter of the consignee being a named individual PA officer will be checked. Does such an officer exist; is he serving or retired, if he is serving then what is his 'locus standi', if retired- then another 'red flag' will need to be resolved. After all, there have been cases like the Sqn. Ldr.(R)Khwaja and other such people and their connection to people of dubious antecedents. Though this may be simply a case of wrong documentation to a named officer in logistics section of PA instead of a designated officer (in which case the PA procedures probably were not followed).

The organ of GoP which deals with the UN missions is the Defence Division under the Ministry of Defence. Now , the named Maj Khalilulah Khan who was claimed to be the recipient of this consignment must be an LNO within the Defence Division which is headed by the Secretary Defence (a retired Lt. Gen.). PA does not directly deals with admin of the UN missions.
We need to verify the id of this Major Khan. He is too junior to directly authorize these sort of consignment.

 

[Devil Soul]

UN working for release of Pak-bound cargo ship
Updated at: 0730 PST, Wednesday, June 30, 2010 ShareThis story

UNITED NATIONS: Efforts are underway for the release of a United Nations-contracted cargo ship, which was detained by India last week as it sailed towards Pakistan with decommissioned weaponry from a UN peacekeeping mission in Liberia, a UN official said on Monday.

The MV Aegean Glory, a 500-foot-long Panama-registered ship, was seized by the Indian customs authorities, claiming suspicion of “military cargo” on Friday, 50 kilometers south of Kolkata.

The UN Department of Peacekeeping Operations (DPKO) “is working closely with Indian authorities to ensure the release of the cargo and to review the procedures that caused the confusion”, the official said. “All cargo on board has UN markings and is being shipped under the authority of the United Nations,” he added.
UN working for release of Pak-bound cargo ship

 

[ice_man]

UN working for release of Pak-bound cargo ship
Updated at: 0730 PST, Wednesday, June 30, 2010 ShareThis story

UNITED NATIONS: Efforts are underway for the release of a United Nations-contracted cargo ship, which was detained by India last week as it sailed towards Pakistan with decommissioned weaponry from a UN peacekeeping mission in Liberia, a UN official said on Monday.

The MV Aegean Glory, a 500-foot-long Panama-registered ship, was seized by the Indian customs authorities, claiming suspicion of “military cargo” on Friday, 50 kilometers south of Kolkata.

The UN Department of Peacekeeping Operations (DPKO) “is working closely with Indian authorities to ensure the release of the cargo and to review the procedures that caused the confusion”, the official said. “All cargo on board has UN markings and is being shipped under the authority of the United Nations,” he added.
UN working for release of Pak-bound cargo ship

NO POINT POSTING THIS BRO THE INDIANS WILL KEEP RANTING!! ABOUT OHHHHHHH "ATTANK WADI"


WE SAVED PAKISTAN WE SPOILT A TERROR ATTACK!!

but the weird thing is the customs catches these ships catches our fisherman but people like "kasab" get through in a FISHING TRAWLER

 

[kugga]

UN asks India to release Pak-bound ship

The United Nations has stepped in to get its contracted ship, which is under India’s detention, released so that it can resume its mission to Pakistan to return decommissioned weaponry from a UN peacekeeping mission in Liberia at Karachi.
UN officials expressed surprise and irritation over India’s action, saying the cargo was being shipped under the authority of the world body. The MV Aegean Glory, a 500-foot-long Panama-registered ship, was seized by Indian customs authorities on Friday 50 kilometres south of Kolkata, claiming suspicious military cargo.
“The UN Department of Peacekeeping Operations (DPKO) and field support is working closely with Indian authorities to ensure the release of the cargo and to review the procedures that caused the confusion,” UN Associate Spokesman said. “All cargo on board has UN markings and is being shipped under the authority of the United Nations,” he added.
The spokesman said the ship’s cargo included surplus Pakistani and Bangladeshi military equipment and Nepalese vehicles belonging to UN peacekeeping troops. The cargo was being returned upon completion of their deployment in the United Nations Mission in Liberia (UNMIL), he said.
According to press reports, the Pakistan Foreign Office strongly objected to the detention of the ship, saying the Indian government never informed them about its seizure. The UN had sent 15,000 troops into Liberia in 2003 after 14 years of civil war that claimed roughly 270,000 lives. In April, UNMIL began scaling back its presence after a UN and government assessment in 2007 that the country was gradually moving towards peace and stability.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

The organ of GoP which deals with the UN missions is the Defence Division under the Ministry of Defence. Now , the named Maj Khalilulah Khan who was claimed to be the recipient of this consignment must be an LNO within the Defence Division which is headed by the Secretary Defence (a retired Lt. Gen.). PA does not directly deals with admin of the UN missions.
We need to verify the id of this Major Khan. He is too junior to directly authorize these sort of consignment.

Thanks for the explanation. Every Defence force has an organisation that is tasked with controlling shipments in/out of the country. This organisation will necessarily be in the loop when even international operations viz. UN operations are being organised. While in normal times this organisation's brief includes clearing/forwarding, transportation to/from Port facilities in conjunction with civilian bodies concerned such as Customs and Port Authorities.
Indian Army units seconded to UN forces routinely have been shipping equipment through this system. The organisation concerned will also have the responsibility to monitor/track the movement of the equipment while in transit. After all, no Government would like to see its ordnance go astray or fall in to the wrong hands. Military cargoes have their own complications, hence the Military officers concerned have to very careful and on top of International Regulations to avoid snafus like this.