Karachi attack: Mock drill conducted at Delhi's IGI airport

[Tshering22]

But our previous experiences show the incompetency of our security forces to tackle situations like these.
Eg:Mumbai attack-took 3 days to kill 10 terrorsists,Pak forces took only 10hrs to kill 10 terrorists,

No it doesn't show incompetence.

Please remember that due to the nature of threat perception in Karachi in the last 10 years, it always had special forces and CT agencies stationed in the state. Mumbai meanwhile had never perceived such a threat of a blatant open war. This is what caught them offguard and the mechanism to make NSG reach on time was never created.

It is the then administration's failure. The men in uniform had nothing to do with the miserable way of handling the situation.

Also, the objective of these Karachi attackers was not to massacre people. THink about it; Karachi is one of the busiest airports in Asia. If they wanted to massacre as many as they could, all they had to do is stand and spray bullets on everyone. It would have killed more than 200-300 people in a go.

Their objective was something else.

While Kasab and cronies had the orders to butcher as many as possible as a way of psyche warfare against the then non-existent Indian government,

 

[Viper0011.]

as well Pakistan forces got relief because they attacked in cargo terminal. .. Mumbai attack is quite different. .. It was carried out in public place and hotels ...

Good for India. You always want to be prepared than to be sorry. Public safety is the most important thing for any country.

Also, when thousands of people on an international airport hear bullets and blasts, its total chaos. No one knows what's going on or which part of the airport is impacted. So its not like the airport was empty and it wasn't a public place. Your post gives out that impression.
The superior training and drills were obvious in eliminating the threat within 5 hours. Next, there was a hostage situation but before it could expand, the commandos took out the two targets. The idea for the terrorists was to hold people hostage and to destroy as many planes as they can.

 

[TejasMk3]

Good to be prepared, the last time there was a major terror attack in Pak, there was a follow up in India (Marriot bomb->Mumbai 26/11), so they should be on alert.

 

[airuah]

But our previous experiences show the incompetency of our security forces to tackle situations like these.
Eg:Mumbai attack-took 3 days to kill 10 terrorsists,Pak forces took only 10hrs to kill 10 terrorists,

They didnt have a situation where civilians being trapped. Mumbai on the other hand had a lot of civilians in the line of fire

 

[OrionHunter]

But our previous experiences show the incompetency of our security forces to tackle situations like these.
Eg:Mumbai attack-took 3 days to kill 10 terrorsists,Pak forces took only 10hrs to kill 10 terrorists,

Don't talk like a retarded imbecile. Do you even know the differences between the two operations?

The Taj and the Oberoi have about 600 rooms each on several floors, most of them which were occupied by guests. Now friend, do you know the drill and the time it takes to clear a room, most of them locked from the inside in pitch darkness? Do you know how much time it takes to clear guests from a hotel that size? And then hunt down the terrorists hiding in some of those 600 rooms?

Then the NSG had to be flown out from Delhi. Do you know how much time it takes to move to the airport, fly out to Mumbai, disembark and move to the op location from Santacruz?

Don't spew baloney out here just for the sake of it. Our SF are among the best in the world.

 

[Koovie]

Good move

Any pics available?

 

[Bang Galore]

Good move

Any pics available?

Hopefully not. If they are available to us, they will be to any potential terrorist too.

 

[notsuperstitious]

Good for India. You always want to be prepared than to be sorry. Public safety is the most important thing for any country.

Also, when thousands of people on an international airport hear bullets and blasts, its total chaos. No one knows what's going on or which part of the airport is impacted. So its not like the airport was empty and it wasn't a public place. Your post gives out that impression.
The superior training and drills were obvious in eliminating the threat within 5 hours. Next, there was a hostage situation but before it could expand, the commandos took out the two targets. The idea for the terrorists was to hold people hostage and to destroy as many planes as they can.

Stop comparing an international airport, cargo terminal not populated with passengers, defended by a specialist force with a privately run hotel with hundreds of rooms and scores of hostages and no armed guards.

Learn the difference between a soft target and a hard one. There is no need to salvage pride, the pak forces in karachi did well.

 

[DesiGuy]

But our previous experiences show the incompetency of our security forces to tackle situations like these.
Eg:Mumbai attack-took 3 days to kill 10 terrorsists,Pak forces took only 10hrs to kill 10 terrorists,

It was almost complete incompetence. totally agree.

 

[$@rJen]

Eg:Mumbai attack-took 3 days to kill 10 terrorsists,Pak forces took only 10hrs to kill 10 terrorists,

Do you even here yourself.... Pakistani security doesn't have to climb over 10-20 story hotel , check room by room for booby traps and terrorists and releasing the hostages right...??........ And like some other members pointed out Mumbai attack was a surprice we never faced anything like that before but in your country every other day blast and killings happeneing... Tell me how many time have your airports been attacked??? it was even funnier that those guys were able to wear same uniform as the guards at the Terminal..... You're making fool out of your self.... Just because keeping an Indian flag in your profile doesn't make you an Indian.... you're just like another guy out there...

 

[PlanetWarrior]

A similar op should be done at Mumbai International. Also likely that a terrorist attack will be conducted there. Kashmir airport is practically a fort. If intelligence picks up any signals of these mofos planning an attack on an Indian airport, it may be safer just to fortify the international airports for awhile, similar to the measures which they have at Kashmir

 

[Viper0011.]

Stop comparing an international airport, cargo terminal not populated with passengers, defended by a specialist force with a privately run hotel with hundreds of rooms and scores of hostages and no armed guards.
Learn the difference between a soft target and a hard one. There is no need to salvage pride, the pak forces in karachi did well.

And you should use your brains and common sense. Not everything has to be freaking emotional women on period response and between India and Pakistan. How old are you??
When there are many people, whether or not there are "specialized forces", gun shots would create chaos. End of the story, people will run in all direction without realizing where the problem is. Did you know that this was going on in hangers for sure until it was over??? NO (unless you were one of them or you were guiding them). So quit spreading crap. No one knew the depth and the impacted area until the thing was over. So it wasn't an empty cargo building. You guys just want to marginalize everything that happens in Pakistan. I could also compare this to an empty hotel in Mumbai with a "Few" People. Is that right of me to do? No, the sad part is, whether India or karachi airport, innocent civilians were targeted at public facilities. And that shouldn't have happened.

 

[Custer]

Let us not make a mockery out of the innocent lives lost in both these cases. Both situations had their inherent risks and dangers which we all are not privy to, hence in no position to comment. Soldiers in both the situations fought and laid their lives and we should honour them. Both the situations also demonstrated lapses in the security apparatus. Thus rather than arguing over who is the best let's have a meaningful discussion over how can we avoid such attacks in the future. The mock drill at IGI is a step in this direction......Just a thought....

 

[nair]

Lessons have been learnt and you'd be foolish to thing the Indian response to any such attacks today would not be a million times better.

Yes the capabilities may be better, may be we are better prepared than we were in 26/11..... But would that be adequate??? what is the response time is going to be??? Even if some one responds immediately how effective it is going to be??... I still believe we have a very long way to go....... Our first line of defense is local police..... other than that of those rosy pictures of metros, they are still incompetent to respond to a situation like 26/11.....

 

[Abingdonboy]

Yes the capabilities may be better, may be we are better prepared than we were in 26/11..... But would that be adequate??? what is the response time is going to be??? Even if some one responds immediately how effective it is going to be??... I still believe we have a very long way to go....... Our first line of defense is local police..... other than that of those rosy pictures of metros, they are still incompetent to respond to a situation like 26/11.....

Well it depends on what city/town the attack happens. Most cities and even towns now, have well equipped and trained Special Response Units (SWAT teams and the like) and their response time would be under 45 mins. It depends on where the nearest NSG hub is located also. Naturally cities like Mumbai are amongst the best protected- they have Response 10 which is a SRU meant to get to any emergency in less than 10 mins, they have QRT Another SRU, they have a unit of the state's Force One deployed in the City along with the Mumbai Hub of the NSG.


The NSG main CT task force in Delhi and the personal in the Hubs all have permission to requisition and civilian a/c they may need if it comes down to it- a power they have never had before.

Additionally, most locations with perceived security threats- iconic landmarks, railway stations, airports have had a massive beefing up of their security (both by local and central security agencies).

I agree though the local police (non-SRU) are the weak link in all of this. They are still unarmed and untrained to deal with anything like this.