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Desperate and frightened, Hindus migrating from Balochistan


Karachi

The continuing strife in Balochistan is producing its own human tragedies — and Karachi and its vicinity are not immune from its terrible fallout. Around 35 Hindu families have migrated to Hub from different parts of the province within the last one month, according to local residents in the area. Although the town is part of Balochistan, its proximity to Karachi makes it a safe haven for many desperate people fleeing from the interior of the troubled province.

For the first time in many years, the religious minorities in Balochistan, especially Hindus, are feeling insecure about their future in the province, traditionally tolerant in matters of religion. The exodus, which became evident recently, has been going on for years, say community elders.

Frequent abductions for ransom as well as the crippling law and order situation has forced many people within the minority community and other businessmen and professionals to sell their shops and properties for meager sums of money and hastily shift to either Karachi or Hub.

Amarnath Motumel of the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan says that within the past month he has been contacted by 27 Hindu families who have shifted to Karachi from Khuzdar and Kalat. A majority of them are teachers, doctors and businessmen. Calling them a “soft target,” Motumel says the families are easily recognisable by their businesses and professions and can be followed to and from work easily.

Though the Balochistan home department accepts that a large number of the 291 people abducted in the province last year were Hindus, the HRCP says that there is no actual figure of the number of Hindus abducted and migrating because of this factor. And the sole reason for this exodus is fear.

Fearing for their lives, those who have recently migrated live in a constant state of anxiety worried about being located and harassed. As a result, most of them do not share there home addresses or contact numbers with anyone, not even relatives living in the same city, HRCP sources say.

While the more influential among them have moved to Karachi, the ones with limited financial means have moved, bag and baggage, to Hub, 25 kilometers from the metropolis.

Squatting in front of a dingy lane at Laasi Road in Hub, Kumar narrates how he, along with many other Hindu families, fled the troubled province for good. From owning a paan shop in Khuzdar and making a decent income out of it, Mukesh Kumar now depends on the wages of his two sons and a daughter, who are now working as labourers.

After living for 30 years in Mastung and another 20 in Khuzdar, the recent cases of abductions and killings have forced Kumar to shift to an unfamiliar place and uncertain future. Kumar admits that their future is bleak in these new surroundings, but it is still better living here than living in constant fear.

Eking out an existence near Laasi Road for the past one year now, Kumar is known to many local people. After much hesitation, he started socialising with some of them at a popular tea stall in Hub. Yet, he admits feeling a bit disoriented after leaving his hometown.

Describing the situation in Khuzdar, Kumar says the constant shutter-down strikes had taken their toll on his business. And then there were the kidnappings. In time, those who could not pay — or in some cases refused to pay — the ransom demanded eventually found the bodies of their loved ones dumped near a garbage bin or in a hospital backyard.

“I made the decision to leave for my sons, as I did not want the same treatment meted out to them. If someone kidnaps them, where will I pay from? What do I have? And more importantly, does anyone care?” he asks helplessly.

Wheel of misfortune

Within the past 15 days, two more Hindus have been kidnapped from Quetta and Khuzdar respectively. Dr Anand Lal* speaking to The News on the phone from Quetta says that the widespread disturbances in the province, which began in 2005, do not seem like ending in the near future. Dr Lal is still waiting to hear something about his son Ramesh Kumar*, abducted from Zarghoon Road in Quetta earlier in the month. Giving an example, he spoke of a recent case where a tortured body of a man named Ravi Kumar was sent to a hospital in Quetta, after the local tribe asked the family not to pay the ransom money. “It cannot happen without the involvement of powerful people,” he says dejectedly. And he is not saying it after running out of people to blame for his misery, he adds.

It is not just Hindus that are currently under threat. Outsiders from the Muslim business communities too face the fear of violence and abductions. Three days ago, in a busy market of Quetta on Mission Road, a Hilux with tinted windows was seen stopping near a shop.

As people saw armed men forcefully pushing a young man named Zohaib Bohra from his shop, the government registration plate on the car was not missed by many either. The man was shot in cold blood as people looked on.

The Quetta chapter of HRCP says that as a result of the increasing violence and threat of kidnapping, around 25 Bohra families have shifted from Quetta recently. Nasrullah Mangozai, a fieldworker with the HRCP in Quetta, confirmed that in most cases of kidnappings many people recorded statements about seeing a pick-up truck thrashing their victim before pushing him in the vehicle and speeding off.

“In the same area, a few steps further, is a Frontier Corps (FC) checkpost where even a motorcycle is checked thoroughly before being given permission to enter the market. And still these people barge in with their heavy vehicles and pick up whoever they want to,” adds Mangozai.

Back in Hub, local residents reiterated the same when asked who is behind the kidnappings. Requesting anonymity, one of them said that the minute any Hilux or pick-up trucks enter a street, people immediately scatter away.

Farid Ahmed, a researcher with HRCP Quetta says that it is very easy to get a government number plate in the province. “You need law and order to stop such things. Law is the last thing people are scared of and as a result you’ll find many cars with government number plates roaming around freely, without registration papers,” he adds.

When it comes to facing the issue, Dr Lal says that whether it is a home minister or a minority minister, “everyone keeps mum, after mumbling something about being sad to hear about the kidnappings. Nothing happens.”

‘Different voices, same story’

A few miles away from Laasi Road, in a Naval Colony, resides Salamat Ali, who has lived here for the past four years with his family. He cries copiously as he speaks about his hometown, Khuzdar. “It is like asking a child how he feels after his mother dies in front of him,” he says with a quivering voice. Fluent in Balochi and Brahvi, Ali’s family has been following Balochi customs for a very long time.

Easily identified by their professions, the violence and the subsequent attack on Urdu-speaking people, Punjabis and other outsiders started in 2006. When the situation got worse, Ali was asked by his neighbours and friends to shift to a safer place. Witnessing the deaths of many of his friends around him, he still knows exactly what is happening there, without being to Balochistan for months now.

“You cannot just blame the Army or the intelligence agencies or the sardars alone for the mayhem and murder that continues in Balochistan. They are all responsible. Those who are being killed don’t know why they are being killed. Is this sane in any way” Ali asks in despair.

Professor Nagpal, a well-known educationist, says that everyone in the province has the same story to tell — whether they are Baloch, Punjabi, Hindu or from the Hazara community. He adds that while violence and cruelty has been there for a long time, “only the gravity has increased.”

Getting a bit flustered with the term ‘minority,’ Nagpal says that religion has nothing to do with nationality and so Hindus should not be considered separate from the Baloch.

Ahmed says that around 50 families have recently migrated from different districts of Balochistan. And around 100 have filed papers to the Indian High Commission seeking asylum in India.

In the middle of compiling a report on the plight of the minorities in Balochistan, Ahmed says that officials now simply refuse to talk when contacted. And once the report is completed, “it will be the same people who will term the facts and figures exaggerated, blaming the organisation instead.”

Holding a press conference a day before, Ahmed requested the government to seriously consider the issues faced by the minorities. “Otherwise, migrating to India is the only option left,” he says: “ They will now pursue this option — if their lives are considered worth nothing.”

Desperate and frightened, Hindus migrating from Balochistan - thenews.com.pk

source of the blog

A Zillion reasons to escape from India

last line

Hindutva Idiots, Your false pride and actions make our life miserable.

:rofl::rofl:
 
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@ sachin mate I think this is horrific and Pak govt should do more for minorities, it does upset me to see this

Desperate and frightened, Hindus migrating from Balochistan


Karachi

The continuing strife in Balochistan is producing its own human tragedies — and Karachi and its vicinity are not immune from its terrible fallout. Around 35 Hindu families have migrated to Hub from different parts of the province within the last one month, according to local residents in the area. Although the town is part of Balochistan, its proximity to Karachi makes it a safe haven for many desperate people fleeing from the interior of the troubled province.

For the first time in many years, the religious minorities in Balochistan, especially Hindus, are feeling insecure about their future in the province, traditionally tolerant in matters of religion. The exodus, which became evident recently, has been going on for years, say community elders.

Frequent abductions for ransom as well as the crippling law and order situation has forced many people within the minority community and other businessmen and professionals to sell their shops and properties for meager sums of money and hastily shift to either Karachi or Hub.

Amarnath Motumel of the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan says that within the past month he has been contacted by 27 Hindu families who have shifted to Karachi from Khuzdar and Kalat. A majority of them are teachers, doctors and businessmen. Calling them a “soft target,” Motumel says the families are easily recognisable by their businesses and professions and can be followed to and from work easily.

Though the Balochistan home department accepts that a large number of the 291 people abducted in the province last year were Hindus, the HRCP says that there is no actual figure of the number of Hindus abducted and migrating because of this factor. And the sole reason for this exodus is fear.

Fearing for their lives, those who have recently migrated live in a constant state of anxiety worried about being located and harassed. As a result, most of them do not share there home addresses or contact numbers with anyone, not even relatives living in the same city, HRCP sources say.

While the more influential among them have moved to Karachi, the ones with limited financial means have moved, bag and baggage, to Hub, 25 kilometers from the metropolis.

Squatting in front of a dingy lane at Laasi Road in Hub, Kumar narrates how he, along with many other Hindu families, fled the troubled province for good. From owning a paan shop in Khuzdar and making a decent income out of it, Mukesh Kumar now depends on the wages of his two sons and a daughter, who are now working as labourers.

After living for 30 years in Mastung and another 20 in Khuzdar, the recent cases of abductions and killings have forced Kumar to shift to an unfamiliar place and uncertain future. Kumar admits that their future is bleak in these new surroundings, but it is still better living here than living in constant fear.

Eking out an existence near Laasi Road for the past one year now, Kumar is known to many local people. After much hesitation, he started socialising with some of them at a popular tea stall in Hub. Yet, he admits feeling a bit disoriented after leaving his hometown.

Describing the situation in Khuzdar, Kumar says the constant shutter-down strikes had taken their toll on his business. And then there were the kidnappings. In time, those who could not pay — or in some cases refused to pay — the ransom demanded eventually found the bodies of their loved ones dumped near a garbage bin or in a hospital backyard.

“I made the decision to leave for my sons, as I did not want the same treatment meted out to them. If someone kidnaps them, where will I pay from? What do I have? And more importantly, does anyone care?” he asks helplessly.

Wheel of misfortune

Within the past 15 days, two more Hindus have been kidnapped from Quetta and Khuzdar respectively. Dr Anand Lal* speaking to The News on the phone from Quetta says that the widespread disturbances in the province, which began in 2005, do not seem like ending in the near future. Dr Lal is still waiting to hear something about his son Ramesh Kumar*, abducted from Zarghoon Road in Quetta earlier in the month. Giving an example, he spoke of a recent case where a tortured body of a man named Ravi Kumar was sent to a hospital in Quetta, after the local tribe asked the family not to pay the ransom money. “It cannot happen without the involvement of powerful people,” he says dejectedly. And he is not saying it after running out of people to blame for his misery, he adds.

It is not just Hindus that are currently under threat. Outsiders from the Muslim business communities too face the fear of violence and abductions. Three days ago, in a busy market of Quetta on Mission Road, a Hilux with tinted windows was seen stopping near a shop.

As people saw armed men forcefully pushing a young man named Zohaib Bohra from his shop, the government registration plate on the car was not missed by many either. The man was shot in cold blood as people looked on.

The Quetta chapter of HRCP says that as a result of the increasing violence and threat of kidnapping, around 25 Bohra families have shifted from Quetta recently. Nasrullah Mangozai, a fieldworker with the HRCP in Quetta, confirmed that in most cases of kidnappings many people recorded statements about seeing a pick-up truck thrashing their victim before pushing him in the vehicle and speeding off.

“In the same area, a few steps further, is a Frontier Corps (FC) checkpost where even a motorcycle is checked thoroughly before being given permission to enter the market. And still these people barge in with their heavy vehicles and pick up whoever they want to,” adds Mangozai.

Back in Hub, local residents reiterated the same when asked who is behind the kidnappings. Requesting anonymity, one of them said that the minute any Hilux or pick-up trucks enter a street, people immediately scatter away.

Farid Ahmed, a researcher with HRCP Quetta says that it is very easy to get a government number plate in the province. “You need law and order to stop such things. Law is the last thing people are scared of and as a result you’ll find many cars with government number plates roaming around freely, without registration papers,” he adds.

When it comes to facing the issue, Dr Lal says that whether it is a home minister or a minority minister, “everyone keeps mum, after mumbling something about being sad to hear about the kidnappings. Nothing happens.”

‘Different voices, same story’

A few miles away from Laasi Road, in a Naval Colony, resides Salamat Ali, who has lived here for the past four years with his family. He cries copiously as he speaks about his hometown, Khuzdar. “It is like asking a child how he feels after his mother dies in front of him,” he says with a quivering voice. Fluent in Balochi and Brahvi, Ali’s family has been following Balochi customs for a very long time.

Easily identified by their professions, the violence and the subsequent attack on Urdu-speaking people, Punjabis and other outsiders started in 2006. When the situation got worse, Ali was asked by his neighbours and friends to shift to a safer place. Witnessing the deaths of many of his friends around him, he still knows exactly what is happening there, without being to Balochistan for months now.

“You cannot just blame the Army or the intelligence agencies or the sardars alone for the mayhem and murder that continues in Balochistan. They are all responsible. Those who are being killed don’t know why they are being killed. Is this sane in any way” Ali asks in despair.

Professor Nagpal, a well-known educationist, says that everyone in the province has the same story to tell — whether they are Baloch, Punjabi, Hindu or from the Hazara community. He adds that while violence and cruelty has been there for a long time, “only the gravity has increased.”

Getting a bit flustered with the term ‘minority,’ Nagpal says that religion has nothing to do with nationality and so Hindus should not be considered separate from the Baloch.

Ahmed says that around 50 families have recently migrated from different districts of Balochistan. And around 100 have filed papers to the Indian High Commission seeking asylum in India.

In the middle of compiling a report on the plight of the minorities in Balochistan, Ahmed says that officials now simply refuse to talk when contacted. And once the report is completed, “it will be the same people who will term the facts and figures exaggerated, blaming the organisation instead.”

Holding a press conference a day before, Ahmed requested the government to seriously consider the issues faced by the minorities. “Otherwise, migrating to India is the only option left,” he says: “ They will now pursue this option — if their lives are considered worth nothing.”

Desperate and frightened, Hindus migrating from Balochistan - thenews.com.pk
 
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More than a 100 Baloch families have applied to the Indian High Commission seeking asylum

Tuesday, March 06, 2012


Traditionally religious minority groups in Balochistan have lived in a tolerant environment, rubbing along with others of differing faith reasonably well – but that is changing. There are recent reports borne out by the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan that Hindus are feeling threatened in many cases and there are reliable reports of many abductions from the Hindu community. In the last month alone about 35 Hindu families have fled to Hub from different parts of the province, seeing it as a ‘safe haven’ from the conflicts that abound across Balochistan. Reports say that this is not just a recent phenomenon and has been going on at ‘trickle’ level for years, but there has been a recent uptick in the numbers of families feeling so insecure that they decided to relocate.

The reports speak of abduction for ransom, traders and business-people as well as professionals like teachers and doctors, being harassed and in some cases dragged from their homes or places of work and killed in broad daylight. These people are not criminals or anything other than the ‘other’ – but they are now the targets – but of who? It is not just Hindus who are being targeted, it is Muslim minorities too. In at least one incident a double-top pickup with government plates was seen to be used by armed men who dragged a Bohra named Zohaib from his shop and killed him by the road. The HRCP chapter in Quetta says that at least 25 Bohra families have fled Quetta in recent months. Nobody is ever brought to book for these crimes, there seems to be little inclination on the part of the government, provincial or federal, to follow up on them and pursue those who murder and harass minorities, and it is difficult to deduce other than that a blind eye is being turned, a deaf ear to protestations. Matters have got so bad that around 100 families have applied to the Indian High Commission seeking asylum – and these are people who were born and bred in Balochistan and whose families have lived there for generations. They have grown up with Baloch customs and consider themselves Baloch – which does nothing to stop them suffering miserably at the hands of...who? Seemingly the misery of Balochistan never ceases, and almost daily there is evidence that it is ever-deepening with the minorities also being targeted.

Balochistan minorities - thenews.com.pk

@ sachin mate I think this is horrific and Pak govt should do more for minorities, it does upset me to see this

the worst part is they want to migrate to india and no indian muslim wants to migrate pakistan...what a tragedy !!

Azadji stands corrected once again :tup: great visionary
 
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Desperate and frightened, Hindus migrating from Balochistan


Karachi

The continuing strife in Balochistan is producing its own human tragedies — and Karachi and its vicinity are not immune from its terrible fallout. Around 35 Hindu families have migrated to Hub from different parts of the province within the last one month, according to local residents in the area. Although the town is part of Balochistan, its proximity to Karachi makes it a safe haven for many desperate people fleeing from the interior of the troubled province.

For the first time in many years, the religious minorities in Balochistan, especially Hindus, are feeling insecure about their future in the province, traditionally tolerant in matters of religion. The exodus, which became evident recently, has been going on for years, say community elders.

Frequent abductions for ransom as well as the crippling law and order situation has forced many people within the minority community and other businessmen and professionals to sell their shops and properties for meager sums of money and hastily shift to either Karachi or Hub.

Amarnath Motumel of the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan says that within the past month he has been contacted by 27 Hindu families who have shifted to Karachi from Khuzdar and Kalat. A majority of them are teachers, doctors and businessmen. Calling them a “soft target,” Motumel says the families are easily recognisable by their businesses and professions and can be followed to and from work easily.

Though the Balochistan home department accepts that a large number of the 291 people abducted in the province last year were Hindus, the HRCP says that there is no actual figure of the number of Hindus abducted and migrating because of this factor. And the sole reason for this exodus is fear.

Fearing for their lives, those who have recently migrated live in a constant state of anxiety worried about being located and harassed. As a result, most of them do not share there home addresses or contact numbers with anyone, not even relatives living in the same city, HRCP sources say.

While the more influential among them have moved to Karachi, the ones with limited financial means have moved, bag and baggage, to Hub, 25 kilometers from the metropolis.

Squatting in front of a dingy lane at Laasi Road in Hub, Kumar narrates how he, along with many other Hindu families, fled the troubled province for good. From owning a paan shop in Khuzdar and making a decent income out of it, Mukesh Kumar now depends on the wages of his two sons and a daughter, who are now working as labourers.

After living for 30 years in Mastung and another 20 in Khuzdar, the recent cases of abductions and killings have forced Kumar to shift to an unfamiliar place and uncertain future. Kumar admits that their future is bleak in these new surroundings, but it is still better living here than living in constant fear.

Eking out an existence near Laasi Road for the past one year now, Kumar is known to many local people. After much hesitation, he started socialising with some of them at a popular tea stall in Hub. Yet, he admits feeling a bit disoriented after leaving his hometown.

Describing the situation in Khuzdar, Kumar says the constant shutter-down strikes had taken their toll on his business. And then there were the kidnappings. In time, those who could not pay — or in some cases refused to pay — the ransom demanded eventually found the bodies of their loved ones dumped near a garbage bin or in a hospital backyard.

“I made the decision to leave for my sons, as I did not want the same treatment meted out to them. If someone kidnaps them, where will I pay from? What do I have? And more importantly, does anyone care?” he asks helplessly.

Wheel of misfortune

Within the past 15 days, two more Hindus have been kidnapped from Quetta and Khuzdar respectively. Dr Anand Lal* speaking to The News on the phone from Quetta says that the widespread disturbances in the province, which began in 2005, do not seem like ending in the near future. Dr Lal is still waiting to hear something about his son Ramesh Kumar*, abducted from Zarghoon Road in Quetta earlier in the month. Giving an example, he spoke of a recent case where a tortured body of a man named Ravi Kumar was sent to a hospital in Quetta, after the local tribe asked the family not to pay the ransom money. “It cannot happen without the involvement of powerful people,” he says dejectedly. And he is not saying it after running out of people to blame for his misery, he adds.

It is not just Hindus that are currently under threat. Outsiders from the Muslim business communities too face the fear of violence and abductions. Three days ago, in a busy market of Quetta on Mission Road, a Hilux with tinted windows was seen stopping near a shop.

As people saw armed men forcefully pushing a young man named Zohaib Bohra from his shop, the government registration plate on the car was not missed by many either. The man was shot in cold blood as people looked on.

The Quetta chapter of HRCP says that as a result of the increasing violence and threat of kidnapping, around 25 Bohra families have shifted from Quetta recently. Nasrullah Mangozai, a fieldworker with the HRCP in Quetta, confirmed that in most cases of kidnappings many people recorded statements about seeing a pick-up truck thrashing their victim before pushing him in the vehicle and speeding off.

“In the same area, a few steps further, is a Frontier Corps (FC) checkpost where even a motorcycle is checked thoroughly before being given permission to enter the market. And still these people barge in with their heavy vehicles and pick up whoever they want to,” adds Mangozai.

Back in Hub, local residents reiterated the same when asked who is behind the kidnappings. Requesting anonymity, one of them said that the minute any Hilux or pick-up trucks enter a street, people immediately scatter away.

Farid Ahmed, a researcher with HRCP Quetta says that it is very easy to get a government number plate in the province. “You need law and order to stop such things. Law is the last thing people are scared of and as a result you’ll find many cars with government number plates roaming around freely, without registration papers,” he adds.

When it comes to facing the issue, Dr Lal says that whether it is a home minister or a minority minister, “everyone keeps mum, after mumbling something about being sad to hear about the kidnappings. Nothing happens.”

‘Different voices, same story’

A few miles away from Laasi Road, in a Naval Colony, resides Salamat Ali, who has lived here for the past four years with his family. He cries copiously as he speaks about his hometown, Khuzdar. “It is like asking a child how he feels after his mother dies in front of him,” he says with a quivering voice. Fluent in Balochi and Brahvi, Ali’s family has been following Balochi customs for a very long time.

Easily identified by their professions, the violence and the subsequent attack on Urdu-speaking people, Punjabis and other outsiders started in 2006. When the situation got worse, Ali was asked by his neighbours and friends to shift to a safer place. Witnessing the deaths of many of his friends around him, he still knows exactly what is happening there, without being to Balochistan for months now.

“You cannot just blame the Army or the intelligence agencies or the sardars alone for the mayhem and murder that continues in Balochistan. They are all responsible. Those who are being killed don’t know why they are being killed. Is this sane in any way” Ali asks in despair.

Professor Nagpal, a well-known educationist, says that everyone in the province has the same story to tell — whether they are Baloch, Punjabi, Hindu or from the Hazara community. He adds that while violence and cruelty has been there for a long time, “only the gravity has increased.”

Getting a bit flustered with the term ‘minority,’ Nagpal says that religion has nothing to do with nationality and so Hindus should not be considered separate from the Baloch.

Ahmed says that around 50 families have recently migrated from different districts of Balochistan. And around 100 have filed papers to the Indian High Commission seeking asylum in India.

In the middle of compiling a report on the plight of the minorities in Balochistan, Ahmed says that officials now simply refuse to talk when contacted. And once the report is completed, “it will be the same people who will term the facts and figures exaggerated, blaming the organisation instead.”

Holding a press conference a day before, Ahmed requested the government to seriously consider the issues faced by the minorities. “Otherwise, migrating to India is the only option left,” he says: “ They will now pursue this option — if their lives are considered worth nothing.”

Desperate and frightened, Hindus migrating from Balochistan - thenews.com.pk

source of the blog

A Zillion reasons to escape from India

last line



:rofl::rofl:


What it has to with moulana AZAD?
 
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Enlighten me , about the first Governor General of India ? :azn: ... Subservient ? :lol: ... You guys became so much used to Farangi Raj that you asked the last Mountbatten to stay as the top most leader of your country ... Pretty rich coming from you guys freedom struggle and such ! What struggle are you referring to ?


Struggle to turn from British Raj to Italian Woman Raj by fair and free democratic elections! :azn:

Thats what he is referring to.
 
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We should all condemn wherever minorities be they Muslim or Hindu are being abused this is not acceptable in Pakistan or India

More than a 100 Baloch families have applied to the Indian High Commission seeking asylum

Tuesday, March 06, 2012


Traditionally religious minority groups in Balochistan have lived in a tolerant environment, rubbing along with others of differing faith reasonably well – but that is changing. There are recent reports borne out by the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan that Hindus are feeling threatened in many cases and there are reliable reports of many abductions from the Hindu community. In the last month alone about 35 Hindu families have fled to Hub from different parts of the province, seeing it as a ‘safe haven’ from the conflicts that abound across Balochistan. Reports say that this is not just a recent phenomenon and has been going on at ‘trickle’ level for years, but there has been a recent uptick in the numbers of families feeling so insecure that they decided to relocate.

The reports speak of abduction for ransom, traders and business-people as well as professionals like teachers and doctors, being harassed and in some cases dragged from their homes or places of work and killed in broad daylight. These people are not criminals or anything other than the ‘other’ – but they are now the targets – but of who? It is not just Hindus who are being targeted, it is Muslim minorities too. In at least one incident a double-top pickup with government plates was seen to be used by armed men who dragged a Bohra named Zohaib from his shop and killed him by the road. The HRCP chapter in Quetta says that at least 25 Bohra families have fled Quetta in recent months. Nobody is ever brought to book for these crimes, there seems to be little inclination on the part of the government, provincial or federal, to follow up on them and pursue those who murder and harass minorities, and it is difficult to deduce other than that a blind eye is being turned, a deaf ear to protestations. Matters have got so bad that around 100 families have applied to the Indian High Commission seeking asylum – and these are people who were born and bred in Balochistan and whose families have lived there for generations. They have grown up with Baloch customs and consider themselves Baloch – which does nothing to stop them suffering miserably at the hands of...who? Seemingly the misery of Balochistan never ceases, and almost daily there is evidence that it is ever-deepening with the minorities also being targeted.

Balochistan minorities - thenews.com.pk
 
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Still better than some deluded Indians thinking that we are justifying the very existence of our country ? :azn:

If thats not your aim...then why are your countrymen pissing on a great man like Azad and calling him a traitor?

A neutral person would see both sides of the coin....sadly its not true in the case of this thread.
 
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How many of Pakistani districts are suffering from terrorism like Maoists ? Dont get me random terrorist attacks ...
And maost attacks are not random?
i dont know how many districts in pakistan are affected, but you are the only country that i know that need f16's to fight terrorists, so i assume the problem must be quite grave , right?

apart from you can google the terror organisations in your country, you might see the plight, if these organisation are pro pakistan organisation and are meant for protection of pakistani interests, then i am not sure about jinnah's vision at all.
 
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1-As per our Prophet. He never approved of a Muslim community being ruled over by some one who has 5000 idols as god.

Show me the verse form Quran wittern by Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)?

2-Declared a traitor by all those majority who voted for Jinnah.

Did all those who voted for Jinnah did so from an outright urge to declare Azad a traitor?, did the specific own individuals not contribute to those who voted in favor of Jinnah?

3-If Muslims have the full right then why they have not been able to put that terrorist Modi behind bars?

how does citizens having full rights have anything to do putting a man accused of mismanaging or sponosirng a pogrom behind bars? Thats the job of the Law authorities.


Why rioters kill them on regular basis?

Mob psychology.

Why they lag behind in education terms?

provision of rights does it necessarily mean every community would excel?, They provide the necessary atmosphere required to do so.


Why they are not represented in top brass of security apparatus?

Should there be reservations for that? security apparatus will obviously be on meritocratic basis.

Why they do not have a political party of their own which plays a major role in Indian politics?

Some already do
ELECTION COMMISSION OF INDIA


etc etc. (by the way it is not only muslims that do not have rights

i have cleared the Muslim rights part above.

eg. Dalits are treated worse than animals in India

Statements without any study? wikipedia calls them weasel statements.


4-When riots are instigated by those sitting at power and have a seat in government then they are called artificial.

State sponsored you meant

5-Gag in the sense that they can not dissent without being killed and maimed.

Strange that those with dissent can be given a voice in the capital of the country not be killed or maimed

Even liberalism has its limits

6-My father still remembers that day and how Indian agents had brought that disaster as today they are now after Jinnah and the foundation of Pakistan.

Its unknown at this point, what Indian intelligence seeks, as they come under Indian Govt control, and i don't recall my GOI showing any intent towards destabilizing Pakistan


At the time all Pakistan was poor. A poor in NWFP was no different than a poor in Bengal.

Was NWFP's resources spent towards another province at the cost of its own?

But alas an Indian agent by the name of Mujeeb had done his training well.

Mujeeb was RAW? wow!



7-It is a well known fact that India is made up of non-reconciling nations. Out side or Inside. Lower caste or upper caste.

Now Lower caste and upper caste people of nations now? and facts according to whom?

8-Entire India is going towards break up.

Break up of nation can be seen based on Govt control over its lands and internal conflicts.

There are 2 indexes for that Failed State Index and Global peace Index, in both India's performance is bad , while in one the ranking has improved, while the other it has deteriorated. So still unpredictable.
As people get more aware that is inevitable. They would want their share in political power structure dominated by few high caste Indians.

They already can

Even the seemingly apparent increased in wealth creation is not going to help since with increased wealth comes the increased desire to have a share in political future of one's kinship.

Ok, but desire is useless without capability.


That means Muslims would want their own political parties and Sikhs their own.

They already do

Congress with a white woman at its head can not represent all.

It doesn't
 
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Hindu families seeking asylum in India

QUETTA: Over two dozen Hindu families have approached the Indian High Commission in Islamabad for visa and political asylum in India after what they called growing cases of kidnapping for ransom and target killing of the members of their community in Balochistan.

This was disclosed by the regional director for the federal Ministry of Human Rights, Saeed Ahmed Khan, at a seminar on “Provincial Conference on Balochistan Crisis” here on Sunday.

Leaders and workers of various political parties and representatives of civil society attended the seminar jointly organised by the Actionaid and Association for Integrated Development Balochistan.

Mr Khan said that Hindus had been living in Balochistan for centuries, but in recent weeks several members of the minority community had been kidnapped or murdered, forcing them to seek asylum in India.

“As many as 27 Hindu families from Balochistan have sent applications to the Indian embassy for asylum in India,” he said.

Mr Khan said it was a matter of great concern and urged the government to take immediate measures to improve the law and order situation in Balochistan.

According to statistics of the Ministry of Human Rights, violation of human rights has been committed at a large scale in Balochistan and people are being abducted for ransom.

National Party’s vice president Dr Ishaq Baloch said Baloch youths had become frustrated because they had been denied rights and their national identity had not been recognised.

He said that arrest and disappearance of youths had damaged efforts to secure peace in the province.

Hazara Democratic Party chairman Abdul Khaliq Hazara blamed ‘hidden hands’ for the poor law and order situation in the province. He said over 100 groups involved in kidnappings for ransom were operating in Balochistan.

Pakhtunkhwa Milli Awami Party’s provincial president Usman Khan Kakar said Pakistan would get stability, peace and prosperity if the centre recognised the identity and languages of all nationalities in the country.

Hindu families seeking asylum in India | DAWN.COM
 
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the worst part is they want to migrate to india and no indian muslim wants to migrate pakistan...what a tragedy !!

Azadji stands corrected once again :tup: great visionary

you do not speak for all Muslims in India nor I for Hindus in Pakistan. It is sad no one chooses to leave their home in this way. Wrong is wrong whether it happens in India or Pakistan. Both countries need to eliminate these abuses I do not see the point in making a cheap point here that you in India are worse in some aspects and we are the same in Pakistan

Healthy mentality :tup:

Syama contrary to the persona that you see here that is produced by provocation I feel for all the hungry and downtrodden wherever they may be in the world immaterial of religion
 
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you do not speak for all Muslims in India nor I for Hindus in Pakistan. It is sad no one chooses to leave their home in this way. Wrong is wrong whether it happens in India or Pakistan. Both countries need to eliminate these abuses I do not see the point in making a cheap point here that you in India are worse in some aspects and we are the same in Pakistan

sorry dear, from india no one is moving out to pakistan...can't say the same for pakistan.. institutionalized crimes against minorities is the main reason
 
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