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ALl my posts are back up with facts and figures showing who was popular among INDIAN MUSLIMS. I challenge Imbecilic Indians to refute my facts and figures and show me MULANA AZAD was revered among INIDNA MUSLIMS before 1947
Until the first generation the name of mulana was a taboo subject but now the new indian pop culture of "bhai bhai" and "non violence" is bringing molana name back from the recycle bin. If molana was alive today, he would perhaps approve Modi for presidency as well and tell the people of Gujrat to accept their minority status. The god of molana was not Allah but the the physical stature of India on the world map.
 
What is it that we need to handle?

That India with all the problems is still one of the fastest growing economies? That it is hailed as the largest multi cultural democracy? That India managed to stay a single united entity even with incredible amount of diversity in language culture and religion?

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Missed this bit did you:

Armed Conflicts in India

Almost every state has separatist movements, many of them armed. A large number of Muslims were killed in the past few years across the country and the numbers are on a steady rise. On top of that India has become a paraya for its neighbours. None of its neighbours appreciate their closeness to India and they all blame it for meddling in their affairs.

63 per cent of India’s new budget will go to the military, police, administration and debt service (2008-09). The military might of centric Hindu elites in Delhi isolated people of Jammu & Kashmir and the northeastern states. It is difficult for any community to feel part of a larger country when the armed forces of the country are deployed to silence them.

According to an Indian official report , 165 of India’s 602 districts — mostly in states like Chhattisgarh, Andhra Pradesh, Jharkhand, Bihar, Orissa, West Bengal, Maharashtra, Madhya Pradesh and Uttar Pradesh — are “badly affected” by tribal and dalit violence, which government termed as “Maoist terror”. India’s military spending was recorded at US $21.7 billion in 2006 and it planned to spend $26.5 billion during 2008/09 financial year. 85 percent of the Army’s budget is spent on the enormous manpower of 1,316,000, which is the fourth largest in the world.

India experienced a rapid increase in demand for security in the period following the Mumbai attacks. Thanks to terrorism imports by world’s weapon industry! India is now one of the world’s most terror-prone countries, with a death toll second only to Iraq, says a report from the National Counter terrorism Center in Washington. India’s crime rates, already some of the highest in the world, are also rising, as is the incidence of corporate espionage. Approximately 5.5 million private security guards employed by about 15,000 security companies in India. As an industry,it is now the country’s largest corporate taxpayer. (CAPSI report)

In 2005, Business Week reported that India became Israel’s largest importer of weapons, accounting for about half of the $3.6 billion worth of weapons exported by the Jewish state.

“Do remember that 34 years ago, NSG was created by Americans. Hence it has been their onus to convince the group to grant the waiver to India to carry out the multi-billion dollar business as India is a large market,” says former Atomic Energy Commission chairman, Mr P K Iyengar.

Booming industry of Terrorism Experts and Security Research Institutes in India

With the emergence of Hindutva fascist forces and their alliance with Neo cons and Zionists, India witnessed a sharp increase in the number of research institutes, media houses and lobbying groups. According to a study by Think Tanks & Civil Societies Program at the University of Pennsylvania, India has 422 think tanks, second only to the US, which has over 2,000 such institutions.

Out of 422 recognized Indian think tanks, around 63 are engaged in security research and foreign policy matters, which are heavily funded by global weapon industry. India’s Retired spies, Police officers, Military personals, Diplomats and Journalists are hired by such national security & foreign policy research institutes which gets enormous fund from global weapon industry. These dreaded institutions are in fact has a hidden agenda. Behind the veil, they work as the public relations arm of weapon industry. They create fake terror stories with the help of media and intelligence wing, manipulate explosions through criminals in areas of tribals, dalits or minorities in order to get public acceptance for weapon contracts.

By creating conflicts in this poor country, Brahmin spin masters get huge commission from the sale of weapons to government forces. To this corrupt bureaucrats, India’s ‘National Interest‘ simply means ‘their self Interest’. Their lobbying power bring more wealth to their families as lucrative jobs, citizenship of rich countries and educational opportunities abroad.

Mentionable that India is one of the world’s largest weapons importers. Between 2000 and 2007 India ranked world’s second largest arms importer accounting for 7.5 % of all major weapons transfers. It stood fourth among the largest military spender in terms of purchasing power in 2007 followed by US, China and Russia.

Over 1,130 companies in 98 countries manufacture arms, ammunitions and components. 90 % of Conventional arms exports in the world are from the permanent five members of the United Nations Security Council namely USA, UK, Russia, China & France. The countries of Africa, Latin America, Asia, and the Middle East hold 51 per cent of the world’s heavy weapons.

The Defence Offset Facilitation Agency estimating the expenditure on the sector at USD 100 billion for next five years. At least 38 court cases relating to arms agreements are still pending against bureaucrats and military officers. Hindu fascist forces currently enjoy upper hand in media, civil service, judiciary, defence and educational streams of Indian society. Sooner or later, 25,000 strong democratic institutions in India will be collapsed and the country will be transformed to a limited democracy under the rule of security regime like Turkey or Israel. Hindutva’s security centric nationalism never was capable of bringing peace and protection to the life of our ordinary citizens.

According to Global Peace Index, India currently ranked on bottom, (122 with 2.422 score). Interestingly, our favourite arms supplier, Israel is among the worst performer when it comes to peace ranking. (141). It reminds a simple fact that the peace cannot be attained by sophisticated security apparatus.

Further more, India topped on Asian Risk Prospects -2009, with the highest political and social risk, scoring 6.87, mainly because of internal and external instability (PERC)
 
INDIANS were chest thumping, Now WE pakistanis have shown them WHO Was the boss and popular figure among indian muslims before 1947. Now Refute us or lick the BS you have written in these 30 PAGES
 
Coming to the most important point - what is the use of Jinnah when his utility in Pakistan is limited to getting good grades in history and some chest-thumping on online forums and none of his visions (assuming at all he actually had them) that he is feted for, is a reality in Pakistan ?

I think one statement most people would make to Jinnah if he was to come alive today is - Be careful what you wish for, you might just get it.
 
Coming to the most important point - what is the use of Jinnah when his utility in Pakistan is limited to getting good grades in history and some chest-thumping on online forums and none of his visions (assuming at all he actually had them) that he is feted for, is a reality in Pakistan ?

I think one statement most people would make to Jinnah if he was to come alive today is - Be careful what you wish for, you might just get it.

ONLY INDIAN IMBECILE AND IDIOTS WOULD WROTE THIS. NEUTRAL PEOPLE WILL ADMIRE JINNAH WITH THESE WORDS.

Few individuals significantly alter the course of history. Fewer still modify the map of the world. Hardly anyone can be credited with creating a nation-state. Muhammad Ali Jinnah did all three.-Stanley Wolpert
 
Missed this bit did you:

Armed Conflicts in India

Almost every state has separatist movements, many of them armed. A large number of Muslims were killed in the past few years across the country and the numbers are on a steady rise. On top of that India has become a paraya for its neighbours. None of its neighbours appreciate their closeness to India and they all blame it for meddling in their affairs.

63 per cent of India’s new budget will go to the military, police, administration and debt service (2008-09). The military might of centric Hindu elites in Delhi isolated people of Jammu & Kashmir and the northeastern states. It is difficult for any community to feel part of a larger country when the armed forces of the country are deployed to silence them.

According to an Indian official report , 165 of India’s 602 districts — mostly in states like Chhattisgarh, Andhra Pradesh, Jharkhand, Bihar, Orissa, West Bengal, Maharashtra, Madhya Pradesh and Uttar Pradesh — are “badly affected” by tribal and dalit violence, which government termed as “Maoist terror”. India’s military spending was recorded at US $21.7 billion in 2006 and it planned to spend $26.5 billion during 2008/09 financial year. 85 percent of the Army’s budget is spent on the enormous manpower of 1,316,000, which is the fourth largest in the world.

India experienced a rapid increase in demand for security in the period following the Mumbai attacks. Thanks to terrorism imports by world’s weapon industry! India is now one of the world’s most terror-prone countries, with a death toll second only to Iraq, says a report from the National Counter terrorism Center in Washington. India’s crime rates, already some of the highest in the world, are also rising, as is the incidence of corporate espionage. Approximately 5.5 million private security guards employed by about 15,000 security companies in India. As an industry,it is now the country’s largest corporate taxpayer. (CAPSI report)

In 2005, Business Week reported that India became Israel’s largest importer of weapons, accounting for about half of the $3.6 billion worth of weapons exported by the Jewish state.

“Do remember that 34 years ago, NSG was created by Americans. Hence it has been their onus to convince the group to grant the waiver to India to carry out the multi-billion dollar business as India is a large market,” says former Atomic Energy Commission chairman, Mr P K Iyengar.

Booming industry of Terrorism Experts and Security Research Institutes in India

With the emergence of Hindutva fascist forces and their alliance with Neo cons and Zionists, India witnessed a sharp increase in the number of research institutes, media houses and lobbying groups. According to a study by Think Tanks & Civil Societies Program at the University of Pennsylvania, India has 422 think tanks, second only to the US, which has over 2,000 such institutions.

Out of 422 recognized Indian think tanks, around 63 are engaged in security research and foreign policy matters, which are heavily funded by global weapon industry. India’s Retired spies, Police officers, Military personals, Diplomats and Journalists are hired by such national security & foreign policy research institutes which gets enormous fund from global weapon industry. These dreaded institutions are in fact has a hidden agenda. Behind the veil, they work as the public relations arm of weapon industry. They create fake terror stories with the help of media and intelligence wing, manipulate explosions through criminals in areas of tribals, dalits or minorities in order to get public acceptance for weapon contracts.

By creating conflicts in this poor country, Brahmin spin masters get huge commission from the sale of weapons to government forces. To this corrupt bureaucrats, India’s ‘National Interest‘ simply means ‘their self Interest’. Their lobbying power bring more wealth to their families as lucrative jobs, citizenship of rich countries and educational opportunities abroad.

Mentionable that India is one of the world’s largest weapons importers. Between 2000 and 2007 India ranked world’s second largest arms importer accounting for 7.5 % of all major weapons transfers. It stood fourth among the largest military spender in terms of purchasing power in 2007 followed by US, China and Russia.

Over 1,130 companies in 98 countries manufacture arms, ammunitions and components. 90 % of Conventional arms exports in the world are from the permanent five members of the United Nations Security Council namely USA, UK, Russia, China & France. The countries of Africa, Latin America, Asia, and the Middle East hold 51 per cent of the world’s heavy weapons.

The Defence Offset Facilitation Agency estimating the expenditure on the sector at USD 100 billion for next five years. At least 38 court cases relating to arms agreements are still pending against bureaucrats and military officers. Hindu fascist forces currently enjoy upper hand in media, civil service, judiciary, defence and educational streams of Indian society. Sooner or later, 25,000 strong democratic institutions in India will be collapsed and the country will be transformed to a limited democracy under the rule of security regime like Turkey or Israel. Hindutva’s security centric nationalism never was capable of bringing peace and protection to the life of our ordinary citizens.

According to Global Peace Index, India currently ranked on bottom, (122 with 2.422 score). Interestingly, our favourite arms supplier, Israel is among the worst performer when it comes to peace ranking. (141). It reminds a simple fact that the peace cannot be attained by sophisticated security apparatus.

Further more, India topped on Asian Risk Prospects -2009, with the highest political and social risk, scoring 6.87, mainly because of internal and external instability (PERC)

Nope didnt miss ****....

India is still in one piece....Kashmir is an integral part of India...so is AP, Punjab, Tamil Nadu...and all other states that became part of my country at its conception....
Oh wait...I think we may have added in Sikkim and Siachen to that as well...LOL!!!

Now lets see....how many new nations formed out of your Muslim brotherhood of Pakistan since its inception....Ill let you research that on your own...
Oh wait...its not on the blog written by the "untouchable" fellow....so you probably wont know...
Lemme know if you need help..LOL!
 
Ok guys lets pack it up. I do not want to remind you guys about India's problems and I do not need it shoving down my throat that Pakistan has got its problems.

Let us try to be civil. Both countries have issues. The past is the past. You have your heroes we have ours lets leave it at that
 
Nope didnt miss ****....

India is still in one piece....Kashmir is an integral part of India...so is AP, Punjab, Tamil Nadu...and all other states that became part of my country at its conception....
Oh wait...I think we may have added in Sikkim and Siachen to that as well...LOL!!!

Now lets see....how many new nations formed out of your Muslim brotherhood of Pakistan since its inception....Ill let you research that on your own...
Oh wait...its not on the blog written by the "untouchable" fellow....so you probably wont know...
Lemme know if you need help..LOL!




So what guarantee do you have that it wont split you have lots of insurgency issues
 
1-As per our Prophet. He never approved of a Muslim community being ruled over by some one who has 5000 idols as god.

2-Declared a traitor by all those majority who voted for Jinnah.

3-If Muslims have the full right then why they have not been able to put that terrorist Modi behind bars? Why rioters kill them on regular basis? Why they lag behind in education terms? Why they are not represented in top brass of security apparatus? Why they do not have a political party of their own which plays a major role in Indian politics? etc etc. (by the way it is not only muslims that do not have rights eg. Dalits are treated worse than animals in India)

4-When riots are instigated by those sitting at power and have a seat in government then they are called artificial.

5-Gag in the sense that they can not dissent without being killed and maimed.

6-My father still remembers that day and how Indian agents had brought that disaster as today they are now after Jinnah and the foundation of Pakistan. At the time all Pakistan was poor. A poor in NWFP was no different than a poor in Bengal. But alas an Indian agent by the name of Mujeeb had done his training well.

7-It is a well known fact that India is made up of non-reconciling nations. Out side or Inside. Lower caste or upper caste.

8-Entire India is going towards break up. As people get more aware that is inevitable. They would want their share in political power structure dominated by few high caste Indians. Even the seemingly apparent increased in wealth creation is not going to help since with increased wealth comes the increased desire to have a share in political future of one's kinship. That means Muslims would want their own political parties and Sikhs their own. Congress with a white woman at its head can not represent all.

Nicely put longbrained - that says it all i think....
 
All i see is desperation on indian side because they haven't yet proved Moulana Azad was revered among Indian muslims before 1947..

Corrected your sentence. Because you haven't refuted us and still spewing the same crap. First refute us and then spew that crap. Capiche?
 
Ok guys lets pack it up. I do not want to remind you guys about India's problems and I do not need it shoving down my throat that Pakistan has got its problems.

Let us try to be civil. Both countries have issues. The past is the past. You have your heroes we have ours lets leave it at that

Oh dont run away just yet....Your doing a poor job at convincing us that India is NOT great...
 
Nothing could be a bigger commitment of Jinnah services to the People of Pakistan that Jinnah lost his wife, daughter, entire family, wealth and health for the cause of Pakistan. At his death bed, he did not have a single next heir of his own to comfort him or lend a shoulder to his coffin...same applies to his sister Fatima Jinnah...wholly dedicated woman to the cause of Pakistan.

Compare this with molana gulam who openly advocated servitude and second class status and did not lose anything by making his congreesi PR of misleading thousands others.
 
ONLY INDIAN IMBECILE AND IDIOTS WOULD WROTE THIS. NEUTRAL PEOPLE WILL ADMIRE JINNAH WITH THESE WORDS.

Few individuals significantly alter the course of history. Fewer still modify the map of the world. Hardly anyone can be credited with creating a nation-state. Muhammad Ali Jinnah did all three.-Stanley Wolpert

You really want to continue this if you want??
 

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