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Jinnah had a dream, and we failed him

If you think like this that why come on a Pakistani Forum when you know that there will be Pakistanis who are taught wrong in their schools? Obsession i guess????



lol india is secular? yea rite, thats what Sikh massacre, Orissa Christians Massacre, Gujarat Muslims Massacre, Babri Masjid Massacre, Tamil's Massacre, Dallit Massacre & the list goes on. You are secular. LMAO

Bro, i am sorry but we have not improved ourselves one bit. Accept the fact that Indians have changed. The examples of massacres you are giving is old.

There is something called 'Evolution' and 'Revolution'.

Revolution like French, Iranian and Egyption is change within days.

Evolution on the other hand is something of change over time (years). India have chosen this method since Nehru took over...
 
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Well, Jinnah himself had a flawed and confused dream. His two nation theory was as racist and bigoted then as it is now.

Same goes for your Nehra. Sitting on a Pakistani Forum & INSULTING our Founder, what a shameless people. But what else can one expect, this is taught by their media & schools against Pakistan & one of our most loved person Sir M.A Jinnah (R A)
 
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Same goes for your Nehra. Sitting on a Pakistani Forum & INSULTING our Founder, what a shameless people. But what else can one expect, this is taught by their media & schools against Pakistan & one of our most loved person Sir M.A Jinnah (R A)

Ashish Nehra wasn't even born then. Not in this avatar, I'm sure.
 
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Bro, i am sorry but we have not improved ourselves one bit. Accept the fact that Indians have changed. The examples of massacres you are giving is old.

There is something called 'Evolution' and 'Revolution'.

Revolution like French, Iranian and Egyption is change within days.

Evolution on the other hand is something of change over time (years). India have chosen this method since Nehru took over...

Plz don't sleep

indian Muslim Should Be Killed Says Hindu Extremist - YouTube

Hate Speech by a Fanatic VHP Hindu Leader - YouTube

INDIA IS ONLY FOR HINDUS EXTREMISTS THEY ARE KILLING CHRISTIANS MUSLIMS AND SIKHS Hindu Terrorists - YouTube

india is same as Pakistan not secular as they claim.

Pakistan have exteremists who kill innocent Christian Pakistanis, Hindu Pakistanis & Sikh Pakistanis same is in india.
 
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Jinnah had a dream. He was the creator of Pakistan.
But greater dreams were of Iqbal, whose poetry is supposed to be our guide.
They both had expectations...Pakistan was created for Muslims to live in the way of Islam. We are today known as 'Islamic Republic of Pakistan' but there is no Islam in it.

About the rights of minorities, you just cannot say that minorities have no rights in Pakistan. A average Pakistan hasn't got any rights in Pakistan, especially when it comes against someone big...son of a minister and others...you get the picture.
In Quran, it is mentioned, the evil people will get a evil leader and the good people will get a good leader. We blame everything today on the political leaders, but did we ever look into ourselves? As a Nation and as an individual, are we better than the 'leaders'? Once we correct ourselves, Pakistan will break Jinnah's and Iqbal's dreams, and will be even better Nation (In sha Allah). The bitter fact remains, we aren't willing to change...

And a last thing, Imran Khan is not the last hope of Pakistan! He is the ideal leader and could run the government in a proper manner, has got all the talents a leader should have, a positive agenda and aim. But the last hope for Pakistan is her youth. They have the responsibility of Nation-Building, like Quaid himself said.

'Jinnah had a dream - And we are failing him' would be a better title than 'Jinnah had a dream - And we failed him'.
 
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Of course, Indian will always search up Express Tribune for anti-Pak blogs... :whistle:
 
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Jinnah was a pioneer, he had a vision.
Ok. Lets really discuss this. I strongly disagree with that assessment. There are leaders who can rile up the masses and there are visionaries who are good leaders but can or cannot rile up the masses. Jinnah and Gandhi are in the same boat, IMHO. Both were very good politicians and good leaders. But they lacked vision, a foresight.
In India the visionaries were Nehru, Patel and others who crafted the policies which are reaping benefits for the nation even today. Unfortunately for Pakistan, there were no visionaries to nurture the state after Jinnah- the politician- got what he wanted. Hence it is but unfortunate that you people want to believe in Jinnah the visionary for the lack of true visionaries then. All the subsequent leaders that Pakistan had or has are more like 'reactionaries' -reacting to events rather than visionaries - influencing events.
As for that what we could not achieve, it was in part our failing and the rest can be attributed to global interests and geo-politics.
Again, India too was created at the same time. India withstood against all those vested global interests and yet thrived. Why couldnt Pakistan do the same? Answer- lack of visionaries like I mentioned before.
You might argue that Jinnah passed away quite early after Pakistan was created. So did Gandhi. But we had other visionaries who understood what India was and paved a path for its development. Those are the real visionaries. Not Gandhi. And definitely NOT Jinnah.
If you reckon that the Taliban beheading their Sikh hostages(2009) is Pakistan's failing as a state(as it was made out to be) then, sorry as I am about issue, I would very humbly disagree with your assessment.
we are neither talking about terrorists nor religious riots. We are talking about officially sanctioned discrimination here. Like for eg, Ahmedis/Ismailis who are constitutionally barred as calling themselves as Muslims. Explain THAT. Who gives one the right to discriminate as such?
The Markaz-e-Dawoodia(Centre for Davidians), a Jewish Community Centre is based in Blue Area Islamabad, the centre of all trade activities in Islamabad, it has a huge church right across the road from it and the particular road is a popular avenue for protest rallies however, not ONCE has any of the two been breached by any protester, damage is an all together different game.
Something right in the middle of Islamabad, a trade center and you think security would be lax for protestors to simply enter and protest? Its not that rosy as you want us to believe.
So we did not fail Jinnah, we just haven't fulfilled his dream YET.
Jinnah's dream was fulfilled when Pakistan was created - based on separation of the sub-continent's Muslims from the majority Hindus. Again, IMHO, there was no other dream that Jinnah harbored. That speech he gave in the assembly about secularism is simply too good to believe and goes against the very reason for creation of Pakistan.
Do not delude yourselves in to believing that Jinnah had a dream for Pakistan. There was none. There still is none.

ps: This is my personal opinion. Contradict me for a worthwhile discussion.
 
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india is same as Pakistan not secular as they claim.

Pakistan have exteremists who kill innocent Christian Pakistanis, Hindu Pakistanis & Sikh Pakistanis same is in india.

We don't have blasphemy law, Indian don't need to swear in the name of God of particular religion, Prime Minister-President-Chief Justice-Army General posts are not reserved for any certain religious groups. So, please refrain from your futile attempt to put India in your league. Because unlike Pakistan our national Identity is based on "Unity in Diversity."
 
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The same trend over and over again..

Some one says, Pakistan is doing something wrong.. Pakistani members say.. Hey... India also does a lot of things wrong.. So our wrongs are fine because India's are worse... Celebration in Pakistani camp.. Case closed .. :D

I don't know his name properly as i'm not in obsession with indian stuffs, he was nehroo, or nehra don't know.

Why are you talking about Nehras and Nehroos.. Isnt this thread abour Jeena or Jinna or something. I am sorry I dont know his name as I am not obsessed with Pakistani stuff..
 
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Jinnah himself wanted a Muslim Majority however with Secularism it still not to late to try to get his pakistan, currently now it's zia pakistan. A De-Radicalization of Pakistan is seriously needed. Anyway Jinnah Pakistan already exists to a certain extend it's called bangladesh.
 
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Why are you talking about Nehras and Nehroos.. Isnt this thread abour Jeena or Jinna or something. I am sorry I dont know his name as I am not obsessed with Pakistani stuff..

No this thread is not about Jeena or Jinna, you need to learn than come.

& if you not obsessed with Pakistan so why come to post in Pakistani Forum & specific Pakistan related thread?
 
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Jinnah had many visions. First he wanted Hindu-Muslim unity in India. The people failed him. Then to secure Muslim rights within secular India, Congress failed him. Then he wanted Muslim majority areas to have Muslim-governance instead of literally 2 nations carved out randomly, Gandhi and Nehru failed him. Finally he was forced and as a last resort pushed for Pakistan. Which in the end was realized. His vision of whether Pakistan was meant to be secular or Islamic has little to do with the creation of Pakistan itself. His vision of Pakistan being a place where Muslims would be empowered was realized. Seeing what India has become today, where Gandhi's Hindu extremist murderers are enjoying political hegemony and where Muslim rights are of no importance I can safely say that we needed Pakistan. Pakistan was secular for a while after its creation. And although that changed at some point we are still here. We are still a nation, and we can still get back Jinnah's Pakistan.
 
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