Jinnah had a dream, and we failed him

[Gautam]

Yar accept the fact Pakistan is created. Your pressing on non-existing issues, on things the average Pakistani could give less a damn. History has justified the creation of Pakistan, but it really seems like you can't take it

The fact that Pakistan exists is more than proof enough that this 2 Nation Theory hasn't "failed". We got our nation like we wanted, the Bengali people back stabbed us, we forgave them and they forgave us, and really, there isn't much left to discuss

i have no problem with pakistan being exist.
i am just talkin about the credibility of this so called 2 nation theory.

the creation of Bangladesh- many Muslims in India quite successful - and other reasons have made it a failed theory.
again- we Indians do not have a problem with the existence of pakistan. we are just having a constructive discussion.

 

[K-Xeroid]

you are a Muslim must be knowing that what Deobandi, Barelvi and Wahabbi schools of Sunni Islam think about Shias, (my Muslims friends have told me). but like you think Shia and Sunnis can live together even with differences, same way we Indians think Hindus and Muslims can live together.

May be in India, but Look at Pakistan We have Sunni Majority, But Our Leader Jinnah Belongs from Shia Sect , But We love Him .. Bhuttos and Zardari belongs to Shia Sect, But they are our rulers, Most of our MNA's are Shia .. Pakistan is a democratic nation and We don't select our leaders on secterian basis.

 

[DRaisinHerald]

many Muslims in India quite successful

2002 Gujarat violence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babri_Mosque

If the Muslims in India are successful, GREAT! No probs.

 

[American Pakistani]

i have no problem with pakistan being exist.
i am just talkin about the credibility of this so called 2 nation theory.

the creation of Bangladesh- many Muslims in India quite successful - and other reasons have made it a failed theory.
again- we Indians do not have a problem with the existence of pakistan. we are just having a constructive discussion.

I had explained you multiple times but your f@t brain finding it hard to throw it in your head or you love trolling? I told you that Bangladesh was not included in original plan & was to be a separate country named Banglistan or Bangistan, while original Pakistan was supposed to be Punjab, Afghania, Kashmir, Sindh & BalochisTAN but because there were many many top influential leaders from E Bengal in All India Muslim League so they all strongly reject this plan & that made to change the original plan. Bangladesh was never original Pakistan so either they remain with mainland federation or not it doesn't matter.

 

[nalandapride]

2002 Gujarat violence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Babri Mosque - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If the Muslims in India are successful, GREAT! No probs.

Buddy, you too have numerous incidents like this in Pakistan in which thousands of people have died.

 

[K-Xeroid]

i have no problem with pakistan being exist.
i am just talkin about the credibility of this so called 2 nation theory.

the creation of Bangladesh- many Muslims in India quite successful - and other reasons have made it a failed theory.
again- we Indians do not have a problem with the existence of pakistan. we are just having a constructive discussion.

Bit Shortage of Time Mate,but I've hundread of Arguments .. Yea Indian Muslims are Quite Successful on their own, Mostly They are still Facing denail and rejection kind of situation in india, They are Threatened , They are Killed in Riots and they are sentenced to death the worst considered in india.. They gets in jail when they eat Beef, They were abused, I've seen hundreds of Hindu abusers who always shows there frustration against Islam on Net.. And There views are enough to read some on ground realities.

 

[nalandapride]

Bit Shortage of Time Mate,but I've hundread of Arguments .. Yea Indian Muslims are Quite Successful on their own, Mostly They are still Facing denail and rejection kind of situation in india, They are Threatened , They are Killed in Riots and they are sentenced to death the worst considered in india.. They gets in jail when they eat Beef, They were abused, I've seen hundreds of Hindu abusers who always shows there frustration against Islam on Net.. And There views are enough to read some on ground realities.

Yup that's not your mistake but your textbooks and Urdu media.

 

[DRaisinHerald]

Buddy, you too have numerous incidents like this in Pakistan in which thousands of people have died.

Yes, unfortunately. Hence why I said, we have failed to provide same rights to both our Minority and Majority. That is something we must work on.
As for the Links...well they're just examples to show you that your Shining India isn't so shining.
We know clearly why Pakistan was created, just get this one thing straight.
Pakistan's legitimacy is only challenged by Indians, not us, we're quite happy with our own country.
Aside that, to you your own India and to us our own Pakistan.

 

[American Pakistani]

Buddy, you too have numerous incidents like this in Pakistan in which thousands of people have died.

But isn't it indians who jumping up & down claiming that they are secular? & Muslims are safe there. Pakistanis never claimed that & infact Pakistanis fighting for Jinnah's Pakistan today also.

 

[nalandapride]

But isn't it indians who jumping up & down claiming that they are secular? & Muslims are safe there. Pakistanis never claimed that & infact Pakistanis fighting for Jinnah's Pakistan today also.

We are secular no denying it but we too are struggling to create more peaceful society in India and it is impossible for Pakistan to prove India as non-Secular to provide more weight to 2 Nation-theory.

 

[American Pakistani]

Yup that's not your mistake but your textbooks and Urdu media.

If you think like this that why come on a Pakistani Forum when you know that there will be Pakistanis who are taught wrong in their schools? Obsession i guess????

We are secular no denying it but we too are struggling to create more tolerant society in India and it is impossible for Pakistan to prove India as non-Secular to provide more weight to 2 Nation-theory.

lol india is secular? yea rite, thats what Sikh massacre, Orissa Christians Massacre, Gujarat Muslims Massacre, Babri Masjid Massacre, Tamil's Massacre, Dallit Massacre & the list goes on. You are secular. LMAO

 

[gubbi]

Pakistanis never claimed that & infact Pakistanis fighting for Jinnah's Pakistan today also.

Pakistan was created for the sub-continent's Muslims, no? As a safe haven against the majority Hindus? And yet, where is that safety?

Pakistan fighting for Jinnah's dream? Pray how? Sectarian violence, constitutionally allowed atrocities against minorities, lawlessness etc! Is that what was Jinnah's dream?

 

[nalandapride]

Yes, unfortunately. Hence why I said, we have failed to provide same rights to both our Minority and Majority. That is something we must work on.
As for the Links...well they're just examples to show you that your Shining India isn't so shining.
We know clearly why Pakistan was created, just get this one thing straight.
Pakistan's legitimacy is only challenged by Indians, not us, we're quite happy with our own country.
Aside that, to you your own India and to us our own Pakistan.

Well, Partition is a reality no going back. But we Indian don't believe in 2 Nation Theory and will never accept it.

lol india is secular? yea rite, thats what Sikh massacre, Orissa Christians Massacre, Gujarat Muslims Massacre, Babri Masjid Massacre, Tamil's Massacre, Dallit Massacre & the list goes on. You are secular. LMAO

Do you really know what Secularism mean. Same way, Can I say Pakistan is Islamic Republic??? LOL Operation Cleanup, Target killing, Bangladesh massacre, Kurram blockage, Lashkar e Jhangvi, etc. etc.

And we are definitely seculars and we don't need certificate from a non-Secular country. first thing we Indians are taught in School is

"Hindu Muslim Sikh Isai,
Aapas mein sab Bhai Bhai."

Anyway can you enlighten what is this Tamil massacre mentioned in your Urdu media.

 

[K-Xeroid]

Yup that's not your mistake but your textbooks and Urdu media.

Urdu Media , Oh man! Same stunts you use in india against each other,

Hundreds of Hindu abusers who always shows there frustration against Islam on Net.. And There views are enough to read some on ground realities.

Wat about it? Is it also a mistake of our media?

Can I say Pakistan is Islamic Republic???

And we are definitely seculars and we don't need certificate from a non-Secular country. first thing we Indians are taught in School is

We Do Debate on that several times, So I personally don't consider any harm from your argument If you use it..

"Hindu Muslim Sikh Isai,
Aapas mein sab Bhai Bhai."

Anyway can you enlighten what is this Tamil massacre mentioned in your Urdu media.

Well ! It doesn't means that everything we'd learned in School have become our personal view..

 

[humanfirst]

I think jinnah wanted pakistan to be a secular democracy based on islamic principles.But the truth is many aspects of secular democracy contradicts with political aspect of islam i.e sharia,which in itself is very vague whose several aspects are disputed by various schools of thoughts.Imho pakistanis should stop worrying about what jinnah wanted and instead stick to what work for them.