Jinnah had a dream, and we failed him

[DRaisinHerald]

Accha bhai, it's no point arguing with you lot anyway. Keep thinking that way, but just remember: You and I were never similar, it was rather impossible for Muslims to live in India without being greatly overshadowed by Hindus. Your and our way of thinking clashes, and as Jinnah said:

"It is quite clear that Hindus and Muslims derive their inspiration from different sources of history. They have different epics, different heroes and different episodes. Very often the hero of one is a foe of the other, and likewise, their victories and defeats overlap. To yoke together two such nations under a single state, one as a numerical minority and the other as a majority, must lead to growing discontent and final destruction of any fabric that may be so built up for the government of such a state"

He proves to be right

you mean he wanted 3-4 countries out of India? then where did the "2" nation theory go?
it should have been some "3-4
nation theory"- no?

2 Nations. One "nation" of Hindus. One "nation" of Muslims.

 

[Gautam]

Accha bhai, it's no point arguing with you lot anyway. Keep thinking that way, but just remember: You and I were never similar, it was rather impossible for Muslims to live in India without being greatly overshadowed by Hindus. Your and our way of thinking clashes, and as Jinnah said:

"It is quite clear that Hindus and Muslims derive their inspiration from different sources of history. They have different epics, different heroes and different episodes. Very often the hero of one is a foe of the other, and likewise, their victories and defeats overlap. To yoke together two such nations under a single state, one as a numerical minority and the other as a majority, must lead to growing discontent and final destruction of any fabric that may be so built up for the government of such a state"

He proves to be right

but Muslims of India seem to be alright. in fact they are more successful than any in pakistan. that is again becomes a wrong theory.

2 Nations. One "nation" of Hindus. One "nation" of Muslims.

i love the way you make theories as per your own liking.
"2" nations suppose to mean 2 nations. if you talk about more than 2- than it doesn't remain or can be called "2". its quite simple. now don't tell me you don't know maths.

 

[nalandapride]

"It is quite clear that Hindus and Muslims derive their inspiration from different sources of history. They have different epics, different heroes and different episodes. Very often the hero of one is a foe of the other, and likewise, their victories and defeats overlap. To yoke together two such nations under a single state, one as a numerical minority and the other as a majority, must lead to growing discontent and final destruction of any fabric that may be so built up for the government of such a state"

He proves to be right

Let us replace words Hindus and Muslims with Shias and Sunnis respectively, even in that case your sentence would be 100% true. Does that mean Shia and Sunnis should have their separate states. Because of that Two-Nation only, it is impossible for Pakistan to amalgate Christians and Hindus in their society.

2 Nations. One "nation" of Hindus. One "nation" of Muslims.

They are now living in 3 Nations.

 

[DRaisinHerald]

Let us replace words Hindus and Muslims with Shias and Sunnis respectively, even in that case your sentence would be 100% true. Does that mean Shia and Sunnis should have their separate states. Because of that Two-Nation only, it is impossible for Pakistan to amalgate Christians and Hindus in their society.

Sunnis and Shias can live within 1 country. They are part of the same religion, and so can Hindus Sikhs Christians etc. Don't forget originally Jinnah didn't ask for a separate state, but the increased side lining of Muslims and Muslim interests, and their unsure future within the Subcontinent coupled with increasing hostility from the Hindus and Sikhs...is what forced Jinnah to adopt the 2 Nation Theory, and leave Congress.

They are now living in 3 Nations.

Yep, but there's still a nation for Muslim (even if 2 countries) and one for hindus. Do remember the original reason for even coming up with this theory, that Muslims would get a land where they could reign

 

[DRaisinHerald]

Double Post

 

[Rafi]

indians are obsessed with Pakistan, all these threads are internal debates within the country, our free press allows serious debate, but indians with all their problems look at us. LoL it is true about the complexes they suffer from.

 

[DRaisinHerald]

i love the way you make theories as per your own liking.
"2" nations suppose to mean 2 nations. if you talk about more than 2- than it doesn't remain or can be called "2". its quite simple. now don't tell me you don't know maths.

Well despite there being 3 countries, fact remains that is neither Bangladesh or Pakistan ruled by other than Muslims.

Don't forget the guy who came up with the idea of 2 nation theory, Allama Iqbal, also preached Muslim unity, which is also enjoined by the Quran and Hadith. So even after the creation of Bangladesh, fact is, these is still 2 nations (nation of Hindus and Muslims), even if the nation of Muslims is expressed through 2 different countries.

Because of that Two-Nation only, it is impossible for Pakistan to amalgate Christians and Hindus in their society.

Wrong, while Pakistan was formed for the Muslims, to safeguard their rights in an increasingly polarised society British India had become, it doesn't mean that Hindus, Sikhs and Christians can't live with us. They were supposed to get all the rights a Muslim would have gotten, hence my very first post: "We have failed to provide rights to both Muslims and Non-Muslims, we have failed Jinnahs Vision"

 

[American Pakistani]

They are now living in 3 Nations.

it is no surprise to see lot of trolls in one specific country in our neighbour. I want to tell those dumbs that by 2 Nation theory Jinnah means Hindus & Muslims are two different nations, it was not 2 country theory but two nation theory you dumbs.

 

[nalandapride]

Sunnis and Shias can live within 1 country. They are part of the same religion, and so can Hindus Sikhs Christians etc. Don't forget originally Jinnah didn't ask for a separate state, but the increased side lining of Muslims and Muslim interests, and their unsure future within the Subcontinent coupled with increasing hostility from the Hindus and Sikhs...is what forced Jinnah to adopt the 2 Nation Theory, and leave Congress.





Yep, but there's still a nation for Muslim (even if 2 countries) and one for hindus. Do remember the original reason for even coming up with this theory, that Muslims would get a land where they could reign

Like you think Shia-Sunni can live together, same way we Indians think Hindu-Muslim can live together.

And Bangladesh, they don't consider Muslim Biharis as part of their nation but chose tagore's song as national enthem.

 

[Desert Fox]

Like you think Shia-Sunni live together, same way we Indians think Hindu-Muslim live together.

Sunnis and Shia's are both Muslims, while hinduism contradicts Islamic principles, the five pillars of Islam, so of course Sunnis and Shia's will live together in Pakistan.

indians are obsessed with Pakistan, all these threads are internal debates within the country, our free press allows serious debate, but indians with all their problems look at us. LoL it is true about the complexes they suffer from.

Indeed it is true of their inferiority complex, just look at how bad they still want to reverse the partition and in their effort try debunk the two nation theory.

 

[Sugarcane]

Kya Bhains kay agay been baja rahay ho.

Word Pakistan is difficult to swallow for bhartiis.

 

[American Pakistani]

aren't we talking about "2" nation theory?
first you say its 3-4 nations.

Alot of time i had mentioned that Muslims whereever they are consider themselves as one nation. So it was 2 Nation theory, Hindus & Muslims & not 2 Country theory.

This is last time if you keep your rant mode onn & keep trolling i have a right to report your post.

 

[DRaisinHerald]

aren't we talking about "2" nation theory?
first you say its 3-4 nations.
then you say it doesn't matter how many nations as long as it is ruled by Muslims.
lol on your reasoning.
be clear what exactly you wanna say then we can be clear what we are talking about.

Yar accept the fact Pakistan is created. Your pressing on non-existing issues, on things the average Pakistani could give less a damn. History has justified the creation of Pakistan, but it really seems like you can't take it

The fact that Pakistan exists is more than proof enough that this 2 Nation Theory hasn't "failed". We got our nation like we wanted, the Bengali people back stabbed us, we forgave them and they forgave us, and really, there isn't much left to discuss

 

[American Pakistani]

Like you think Shia-Sunni can live together, same way we Indians think Hindu-Muslim can live together.

And Bangladesh, they don't consider Muslim Biharis as part of their nation but chose tagore's song as national enthem.

Shia-Sunnis are same thing.

Bangladesh is Bangali's desh means country of Bangalis, Biharis in bangaldesh migrate from india to Pakistan & they are Pakistanis, it is corrupt & shameful system of Pakistan that they are not in their real homeland & most still carries Pakistani flag in their camps in bagladesh.

 

[nalandapride]

Sunnis and Shia's are both Muslims, while hinduism contradicts Islamic principles, the five pillars of Islam, so of course Sunnis and Shia's will live together in Pakistan.

like you think Shia and Sunnis can live together even with differences, same way we Indians think Hindus and Muslims can live together. You are a Muslim must be knowing that what Deobandi, Barelvi and Wahabbi schools of Sunni Islam think about Shias, (my Muslims friends have told me).