JF17 AESA radar

[Bratva]

A) Can you please provide the links to prove about MOM's claim?

B) Did you know that Indian Moon mission is the first one who proved the presence of water in moon surface?

C) and at least they didn't use US/ china rockets to send MOM or Smaller Sats.

D) No one can denied the fact that indian reached mars in First attempt whereas no Country done that in first attempt...... being jealous. China mission can't even leave earth.

E) When you First JF-17 was inducted in PAf , it can't even fly in night....... now wonder why any AF inducted a plane which can't even fly in night? but PAF did.

F) PAF, relay on f-16 for bombing , which shows how much ready your JF-17 is.

G) The problems mentioned is not major ones. although IAF want much more advance plane which can overcome.

F) one can judge from the fact that, when PAF was deciding on Su-27 flanker from Russia , at same time India was planning for SU-30 MKI from Russia. See the difference.

Baseless claim devoid of any logic, fact and a link to back it up

The current philosophy of Block-1 JF-17 is to master Air to Air combat. That's why it isn't being prepped for ground attacks. Shows how much you know about JF-17 program progressive curve.

 

[Lil Mathew]

http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/fo...n-skies-601935


For Tejas, a Long Way to Go Before it Protects the Indian Skies
All India | Written by Sudhi Ranjan Sen | Updated: October 04, 2014 21:33 IST

The Indian Air Force's (IAF) Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) - Tejas, which has been in the making since 1983 and is expected to join the force by March, 2015, still suffers from some teething problems.

Some of the modifications that IAF has to make on the Tejas include pushing back the cockpit panels by few centimeters to prevent the toes of an ejecting pilot from getting entangled with instruments and aides and adding another 60 centimetres in length to the aircraft body to allow easy access and replacements of critical circuitry.
Apart from these critical changes, the IAF and State-run Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) are in the process of shaving off about 550 kilograms from the aircraft, making it lighter and adding more power to it.

Senior Defence Ministry officials told NDTV that the LCA Mark-I is still somewhat far from being given any operational duty. The aircraft is expected to replace the Russian-made MiG-21 aircrafts which have already been decommissioned.

"There are several changes that are being carried out," senior IAF officials told NDTV.

On Wednesday, the first of the aircraft, built to series production, completed a 25-minute-long sortie. The Tejas LCA is expected to cost the Indian exchequer Rs. 50,000 crore.

Chief of Air Staff Air Marshal Arup Raha told reporters today, "I think things will be fall in place. The first limited series production of LCA has already flown based on IOC II (Initial operational clearance). We are sure that teething problems of LCA will get over soon."

Drawing attention to the depleting fighter fleet of the IAF, Air Marshal Raha said that "the draw down has to be prevented by quick induction by induction of LCA and MMRCA." The "draw down" that Air Marshal Raha refers to is the phasing out of legacy planes like the MiG 21.

Sources said several "test points" and operational parameters still need to be validated by the Centre for Military Airworthiness and Certification in Bangalore, ensuring that the process would take at least 12 months for completion. The LCA continues to be riddled by inadequacies and problems in integrating its radars and sensors.

"Training manuals, maintenance manuals haven't yet been prepared," an officer said adding that "the IAF expects the first squadron to be available by 2017-18."

Sources told NDTV that prior to the modifications, pilots with shoe size nine or above would have found it impossible to eject in an emergency.

"The feet would get stuck preventing a clean bail out," the officer said.

Also, critical circuits and parts that could require replacements were placed so deep inside the aircraft body that the turn-around time between sorties varied between two to three hours - considered to be exceptionally long.

"The length of the aircraft was increased to rearrange the circuits and parts to allow easy access and faster replacement," the officer added.

The first squadron of the LCA Tejas is scheduled to be based in Sulur in Tamil Nadu.

"Since there are several issues that need to be sorted, the first few jets will be based in Bangalore alongside Hal to allow for faster problem solving," officials said.

Sources said that the IAF is pinning its hopes not on the LCA Mark I but on advanced LCA (Mark-II) to replace its ageing fleet of MiG-21 variants. The LCA Mark-II or second generation of LCA is expected to have a better design besides a more powerful engine - General Electric GE-414. This is expected to generate as much as 90-96 kN thrust as against the current engines - GE-IN20 which generate only about 80-85kN thrust.

The LCA Mark-II is scheduled for flight trials by 2018. The IAF, however, feels that trials will be delayed by at least two if not three years as the current platform will have to undergo major re-engineering to accommodate the heavier GE 414 engines.

Yes our fighter delayed.. But do you want to know why??

JF-17 and Lca Tejas: Difference in approach

With 40 JF-17 aircrafts already inducted into Pakistan air force and Zero Tejas inducted inIAF, at least in papers JF-17 seems to be a successful project, but it is also clear that approach taken by IAF and PAF on LCA and JF-17 have been completely opposite to each other in terms of participation and acceptance levels of the aircraft.

For Pakistani air force JF-17 will be replacing aging A-5C, Mirage-III, Mirage-V, and F-7P/PG by 2015 and JF-17 is slated to become the backbone of Pakistan Airforce (PAF), JF-17 will also will be providing PAF next Gen technology, But for IAF Lca will not be bringing any new technology which it does not possess and will not be backbone or even lead secondary aircraft in future ,role of JF-17 and Tejas to their respected air force are different and also shows different approach taken by them .

PAF inducted JF-17 when it was capable only to carry PL-5EII WVR air to air missiles and fuel tanks over the time BVR missiles and other weapons were added to the aircraft; it took two years for PAF and Pakistani Aeronautical establishment to bring it to IOC standards. PAF already has Two Squadrons of JF-17 which are mostly used for carrying out such tests and for pilot conversion training.

IAF on other hand only agreed to accept 20 IOC-2 standard LCA and 20 more of FOC standards , while whole 40 JF-17 inducted by PAF are of IOC standards , this clearly showsIAF hesitance in inducting more LCA at its Initial stage , while PAF inducted larger number of JF-17 aircrafts with their IOC limitations . Both air forces have plans to induct close to 250 of such aircrafts in their fleet and approach taken by PAF will lead them to higher induction rate and better production line.

JF-17 has been developed in Blocks, first 40 aircraft which has already been delivered to PAF are of Block- I stage and first Block –II aircraft will likely be ready by end of this year or early next year and will come with ”enhanced features” like IFR, New ECM/data link, infra-red search and track (IRST) system and new weapons integration, PAF also has agreed to stick with Russian built Klimov RD-93 engines .Block II will incorporate features which PAF could not integrate with Block-I aircrafts leading to limited combat capabilities of JF-17 , Initial plans of Block-II aircrafts were to equip it with new WS-13 turbofan Chinese engine delivering higher thrust then current Russian engines and also equip it with an AESA radar , but now Block-III has been planned which will incorporate this features and plans are to have first aircraft ready by 2016 , Block-III will have reduced RCS and will feature twin seat variant and likely to have some stealth elements in the airframe .

While Tejas MK-2 which cannot be considered has another block variant, since MK-2 will feature new higher thrust engine, IFR, new mission computers, higher fuel and weapons carrying capacity and will also have different dimensions compared to Tejas MK-1 and first flight of Tejas MK-2 is expected by end of 2014 or early 2015, while FOC of Tejas MK-1 has been planned in 2014. Without any induction of MK-1 aircrafts, IAF forced development of MK-2 which has lead to delays and shift in focus for development of two variants of Tejas. PAF inducted JF-17 when it had not matured and suffered from technical deficiencies but brought standard of aircrafts in blocks to make it combat capable.

If IAF had agreed to more Tejas MK-1 in IOC standards, it could have helped starting and stabilizing production line for the aircraft. With limited orders for Tejas MK-1, aircrafts will be produced at slower rate and even Induction will be at much slower rate, while PAF with a stable production line will induct next 20 JF-17 of Block-II standard next year bringing total to 62 aircrafts while Tejas MK-1 handed over to IAFwill only stand at 4.

 

[Bossman]

Yes our fighter delayed.. But do you want to know why??

JF-17 and Lca Tejas: Difference in approach

With 40 JF-17 aircrafts already inducted into Pakistan air force and Zero Tejas inducted inIAF, at least in papers JF-17 seems to be a successful project, but it is also clear that approach taken by IAF and PAF on LCA and JF-17 have been completely opposite to each other in terms of participation and acceptance levels of the aircraft.

For Pakistani air force JF-17 will be replacing aging A-5C, Mirage-III, Mirage-V, and F-7P/PG by 2015 and JF-17 is slated to become the backbone of Pakistan Airforce (PAF), JF-17 will also will be providing PAF next Gen technology, But for IAF Lca will not be bringing any new technology which it does not possess and will not be backbone or even lead secondary aircraft in future ,role of JF-17 and Tejas to their respected air force are different and also shows different approach taken by them .

PAF inducted JF-17 when it was capable only to carry PL-5EII WVR air to air missiles and fuel tanks over the time BVR missiles and other weapons were added to the aircraft; it took two years for PAF and Pakistani Aeronautical establishment to bring it to IOC standards. PAF already has Two Squadrons of JF-17 which are mostly used for carrying out such tests and for pilot conversion training.

IAF on other hand only agreed to accept 20 IOC-2 standard LCA and 20 more of FOC standards , while whole 40 JF-17 inducted by PAF are of IOC standards , this clearly showsIAF hesitance in inducting more LCA at its Initial stage , while PAF inducted larger number of JF-17 aircrafts with their IOC limitations . Both air forces have plans to induct close to 250 of such aircrafts in their fleet and approach taken by PAF will lead them to higher induction rate and better production line.

JF-17 has been developed in Blocks, first 40 aircraft which has already been delivered to PAF are of Block- I stage and first Block –II aircraft will likely be ready by end of this year or early next year and will come with ”enhanced features” like IFR, New ECM/data link, infra-red search and track (IRST) system and new weapons integration, PAF also has agreed to stick with Russian built Klimov RD-93 engines .Block II will incorporate features which PAF could not integrate with Block-I aircrafts leading to limited combat capabilities of JF-17 , Initial plans of Block-II aircrafts were to equip it with new WS-13 turbofan Chinese engine delivering higher thrust then current Russian engines and also equip it with an AESA radar , but now Block-III has been planned which will incorporate this features and plans are to have first aircraft ready by 2016 , Block-III will have reduced RCS and will feature twin seat variant and likely to have some stealth elements in the airframe .

While Tejas MK-2 which cannot be considered has another block variant, since MK-2 will feature new higher thrust engine, IFR, new mission computers, higher fuel and weapons carrying capacity and will also have different dimensions compared to Tejas MK-1 and first flight of Tejas MK-2 is expected by end of 2014 or early 2015, while FOC of Tejas MK-1 has been planned in 2014. Without any induction of MK-1 aircrafts, IAF forced development of MK-2 which has lead to delays and shift in focus for development of two variants of Tejas. PAF inducted JF-17 when it had not matured and suffered from technical deficiencies but brought standard of aircrafts in blocks to make it combat capable.

If IAF had agreed to more Tejas MK-1 in IOC standards, it could have helped starting and stabilizing production line for the aircraft. With limited orders for Tejas MK-1, aircrafts will be produced at slower rate and even Induction will be at much slower rate, while PAF with a stable production line will induct next 20 JF-17 of Block-II standard next year bringing total to 62 aircrafts while Tejas MK-1 handed over to IAFwill only stand at 4.

The real story is that IAF cannot find enough midgets to fly the LCA.

For Tejas, a Long Way to Go Before it Protects the Indian Skies

The Indian Air Force's (IAF) Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) - Tejas, which has been in the making since 1983 and is expected to join the force by March, 2015, still suffers from some teething problems.

Some of the modifications that IAF has to make on the Tejas include pushing back the cockpit panels by few centimeters to prevent the toes of an ejecting pilot from getting entangled with instruments and aides and adding another 60 centimetres in length to the aircraft body to allow easy access and replacements of critical circuitry.
Apart from these critical changes, the IAF and State-run Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) are in the process of shaving off about 550 kilograms from the aircraft, making it lighter and adding more power to it.

Senior Defence Ministry officials told NDTV that the LCA Mark-I is still somewhat far from being given any operational duty. The aircraft is expected to replace the Russian-made MiG-21 aircrafts which have already been decommissioned.

"There are several changes that are being carried out," senior IAF officials told NDTV.

On Wednesday, the first of the aircraft, built to series production, completed a 25-minute-long sortie. The Tejas LCA is expected to cost the Indian exchequer Rs 50,000 crore.

Chief of Air Staff Air Marshal Arup Raha told reporters today, "I think things will be fall in place. The first limited series production of LCA has already flown based on IOC II (Initial operational clearance). We are sure that teething problems of LCA will get over soon."

Drawing attention to the depleting fighter fleet of the IAF, Air Marshal Raha said that "the draw down has to be prevented by quick induction by induction of LCA and MMRCA." The "draw down" that Air Marshal Raha refers to is the phasing out of legacy planes like the MiG 21.

Sources said several "test points" and operational parameters still need to be validated by the Centre for Military Airworthiness and Certification in Bangalore, ensuring that the process would take at least 12 months for completion. The LCA continues to be riddled by inadequacies and problems in integrating its radars and sensors.

"Training manuals, maintenance manuals haven't yet been prepared," an officer said adding that "the IAF expects the first squadron to be available by 2017-18."

Sources told NDTV that prior to the modifications, pilots with shoe size nine or above would have found it impossible to eject in an emergency.

"The feet would get stuck preventing a clean bail out," the officer said.

Also, critical circuits and parts that could require replacements were placed so deep inside the aircraft body that the turn-around time between sorties varied between two to three hours - considered to be exceptionally long.

"The length of the aircraft was increased to rearrange the circuits and parts to allow easy access and faster replacement," the officer added.

The first squadron of the LCA Tejas is scheduled to be based in Sulur in Tamil Nadu.

"Since there are several issues that need to be sorted, the first few jets will be based in Bangalore alongside Hal to allow for faster problem solving," officials said.

Sources said that the IAF is pinning its hopes not on the LCA Mark I but on advanced LCA (Mark-II) to replace its ageing fleet of MiG-21 variants. The LCA Mark-II or second generation of LCA is expected to have a better design besides a more powerful engine - General Electric GE-414. This is expected to generate as much as 90-96 kN thrust as against the current engines - GE-IN20 which generate only about 80-85kN thrust.

The LCA Mark-II is scheduled for flight trials by 2018. The IAF, however, feels that trials will be delayed by at least two if not three years as the current platform will have to undergo major re-engineering to accommodate the heavier GE 414 engines.

For Tejas, a Long Way to Go Before it Protects the Indian Skies

 

[Alfa-Fighter]

Baseless claim devoid of any logic, fact and a link to back it up

The current philosophy of Block-1 JF-17 is to master Air to Air combat. That's why it isn't being prepped for ground attacks. Shows how much you know about JF-17 program progressive curve.

Well Tejas is to master Air to Air and also Air to ground and Air to ship combat , A true Multi Role Plane ..........and how much you please know about Tejas program ..

your JF-17 and Tejas have same capability in present format , only one was inducted and other wanted for true Multi mode before inducted.

Can you prove that JF-17 was vale to fly in night when inducted? Please check history of this .... same thing asked by ver senior people that time also and answer was NO that time.

 

[Munir]

It doesn't change a thing. You cannot produce a decent weapon. Neither do you posses high tech industry like an average European nation. Calling something Indian achievement should be real Indian. Not imported.

 

[Bratva]

Well Tejas is to master Air to Air and also Air to ground and Air to ship combat , A true Multi Role Plane ..........and how much you please know about Tejas program ..

your JF-17 and Tejas have same capability in present format , only one was inducted and other wanted for true Multi mode before inducted.

Can you prove that JF-17 was vale to fly in night when inducted? Please check history of this .... same thing asked by ver senior people that time also and answer was NO that time.

By mastering you mean, all three kinds of munitions were fired from Tejaa's right? So from JF-17 as well. What's your point?

There are no pics to proof JF-17 is flying in night, but it is being used in both day night training sorties. Can you proof JF-17 is not flying in night ?

and FYI, all Block-1 aircrafts are being upgraded to Block-II standards as we peak with upgraded radar, software and ECM's.

 

[Lil Mathew]

Let me see a decent trainer... Oops failed. Imported PC6. Maybe a jet trainer... Oops, looking for import. Advanced trainer. oops. Imported Hawk. Maybe light fighterjet... Well after the longest development program mankind ever had it is still a dead baby. And they call Indian superpowaaah.

Failed????????? Then what are these??
HAL HPT-32 Deepak
HAL Kiran
HAL HJT-36 Sitara--- foc in dec 2014..73 ordered..

PC6??? Its a utility aircraft.. I think you mean PC7..

 

[Munir]

HPT-32 Deepak:

HPT 32 Deepak trainer aircraft to fly no more

By our CorrespondentPublished: October 2011

New Delhi. The Indian Air Force (IAF) has decided not to fly its trainee pilots any more on the HPT 32 Deepak trainer aircraft.

Air Chief Marshal N A K Browne told India Strategic in and interview that IAF was under a major transformation to induct hi tech systems, and that the young officers needed to flirt with flying in youthful spirits while training.

He said that IAF was all for supporting HAL and indigenous industry but HPT 32 has had a record of accidents which did not inspire confidence. There has been a persistent fuel supply problem which had not been sorted out, leading to 108 engine cuts and mishaps, claiming lives of 23 pilots.

HPT 32 was grounded after a crash 31 July, 2009 in which two senior pilots, both instructors, were killed.

The HAL-made Deepak first flew in 1981, and was delivered to the IAF Training Command in 1984 for formal instructions in basic flying. Notably, many of the top IAF officers have trained on the HPT 32. But there seems to be a unanimous opinion that it is the time for change.

Said a lady officer: "I want to soar to the skies, play with the aircraft and my spirits. I expect the Air Force and the country to give me the technical capability to do that with confidence. Preparing for security of the country is serious business."

IAF has meanwhile decided to acquire the Swiss-made basic Pilatus-7 aircraft.

Air Chief Marshal Browne said that the formal agreement to buy 75 of these aircraft would be signed within a few weeks as the negotiations were in the final stages between the Government and the manufacturer. The technical report shortlisting the new trainer had been sent to the Ministry of Defence some time back and has been accepted.

© India Strategic

HAL Kiran

The Kiran was designed to meet an Indian air force requirement for a intermediate jet trainer. The first aircraft powered by the Rolls Royce Viper Mk 11 was flown for the first time on 4 September 1964

That is old old and old...

India to extend life of Kiran trainer jet fleet
6 August 2014
Email

The Indian Air Force (IAF) is extending the life of its ageing HJT-16 Kiran basic trainer jet aircraft fleet due to the inordinate delay in the development of an intermediate jet trainer (IJT).

Being developed by the state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics (HAL), the HJT-36 Sitara IJT has been delayed by several years.

In a written reply to Rajya Sabha, Indian Defence Minister Arun Jaitley said: "HAL, which has been developing the IJT, as a replacement for the Kiran aircraft, has not so far been able to resolve critical wing and airframe design and development issues related to stall and spin.

"The IAF has also initiated action to look for alternate options for the IJT."

"Several Kiran variants are being used by the IAF to conduct intermediate stage of flight training for new pilots."
Several Kiran variants, including Mark I, IA and the more advanced Mark II, are being used by the IAF to conduct intermediate stage of flight training for new pilots.

The Rolls Royce Viper turbojet-powered aircraft is scheduled to complete its technical life in the next two years.

Under development since 1997, HJT-36 Sitara has low swept wings and tandem cockpit. It is designed to provide high-speed training for pilots entering level II training.

Delays due to developmental problems prompted the service to purchase new trainers from abroad.

According to media reports, the Ministry of Defence issued a request for information (RFI) this year to foreign companies for a new jet trainer with a secondary light attack capability.

May day: India’s New Basic & Intermediate Flight Trainers
Aug 05, 2014 16:28 UTC by Defense Industry Daily staff
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HJT-36 IJT
Defence Minister confirms that HAL’s HJT-36 Sitara in in big trouble, and India is considering other options.

Aug 5/14: IJT. Defence Minister Shri Arun Jaitley makes it official, in response to a Rajya Sabha question:

“HAL, which has been developing the Intermediate Jet Trainer (IJT), as a replacement for the Kiran aircraft, has not so far been able to resolve critical wing and

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Keep reading for the whole story with recent events put in context

HPT-32

India’s stalled defense procurements have become an international joke, but they’re not funny to front-line participants. The country’s attempts to buy simple artillery pieces have become infamous, but their current problem with trainer aircraft is arguably a more significant wound.

You can’t produce pilots properly without appropriate training, but the IAF’s fleet of 114 locally-designed HPT-32 Deepak basic trainers has been grounded since August 2009, because they aren’t seen as reliable enough or safe enough to fly. Since then, equally aged HJT-16 Kiran

jets are being used for both Stage-I and Stage-II fighter training. That yawning gap has added urgency to a replacement buy, but progress has been predictably slow. With its high-end Hawk AJT jet trainer deals behind them after 20+ years of effort, can the IAF take the next step, and plug the hole in the middle of its training? In May 2012, it did.

 

[Alfa-Fighter]

By mastering you mean, all three kinds of munitions were fired from Tejaa's right? So from JF-17 as well. What's your point?

There are no pics to proof JF-17 is flying in night, but it is being used in both day night training sorties. Can you proof JF-17 is not flying in night ?

and FYI, all Block-1 aircrafts are being upgraded to Block-II standards as we peak with upgraded radar, software and ECM's.

A) Sir , if JF-17 is good in laser guided bombing then why F-16 is used currently and not JF-17?

B) Yes , when inducted, their is not pic of of night trials.....nor night flight confirmation. Well i cant proof that JF-17 cannot fly in night because i don't have any pic to proof that it cannot fly in night.

C) All this are present in Tejas MK-1 .... what the use of your Block-II then if it only need to match with Tejas block-1?

 

[Munir]

termediate Trainers: HAL’s IJT

HJT-36 IJT
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India’s current intermediate training curriculum rests on a dwindling stock of HJT-16 Kiran jets. They were first introduced in 1968, though another 65 Kiran Mk.IIs entered service beginning in 1985. They serve as the bridge between existing basic flight trainers, and the IAF’s advanced Hawk Mk.132s.

HAL received a 1999 contract to develop the HJT-36 Sitara as an intermediate trainer successor, but the firm has missed its 2007 in-service date very badly, and a number of crashes have raised concerns. HAL is contracted to deliver 12 limited series production aircraft and 75 production IJTs, but the Sitara still hasn’t achieved initial certification as of late 2013, and remains saddled with serious aerodynamic issues.

The question is whether the plane can enter service by 2015, and whether it will be safe if it does. A mid-2014 admission that major redesigns are required casts serious doubt on both requirements.

@Alfafighter You change subject but fail to answer. I think I made it clear. Just read my posts in other sections. The fact remains. PAF and Pakistan moved from old and outdated jets gradually to better imported and home build (assisted by China) jets. They produce Mushaq, which is exported to several nations. They co -designed and co-buld K8 which is one of the best sold trainers at the moment. They co-developed JF17. And they are now in some projects I can not discuss.

You tell the world that Brahmos is Indian. Nopes. You wrote the software. And even the Russians do not want that.

You tell the world that PAKFA is co-designed. The Russians hate you cause they burned one while demonstrating it to India. But the Indians were not allowed to come close...

So yes, you do spend lot and greedy nations want to sell. But that is not Indian but imported.

 

[Donatello]

Failed????????? Then what are these??
HAL HPT-32 Deepak
HAL Kiran
HAL HJT-36 Sitara--- foc in dec 2014..73 ordered..

PC6??? Its a utility aircraft.. I think you mean PC7..

Shameful failures, just like LCA, Arjunk, Kaveri etc.

 

[The Great One]

About their Mars Probe... It is only 18 kilo. The route was planned by Nasa. Most equipment is pretty much bought on the market. Indians asked NASA to help them to correct the picture quality. And this time they did not crash something on the moon but kept in in the orbit.

Good Joke

Mass: The lift-off mass was 1,350 kg (2,980 lb), including 852 kg (1,878 lb) of propellant.

Mars Orbiter Mission - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Crashing it in the moon? You mean this baby
Moon Impact Probe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
BTW this was also the first probe to find out water on moon.
The rest of that crap deserves to be put in Stupid and Jealous column, along with your'THINK TANK' rank

 

[Alfa-Fighter]

termediate Trainers: HAL’s IJT

HJT-36 IJT
(click to view full)
India’s current intermediate training curriculum rests on a dwindling stock of HJT-16 Kiran jets. They were first introduced in 1968, though another 65 Kiran Mk.IIs entered service beginning in 1985. They serve as the bridge between existing basic flight trainers, and the IAF’s advanced Hawk Mk.132s.

HAL received a 1999 contract to develop the HJT-36 Sitara as an intermediate trainer successor, but the firm has missed its 2007 in-service date very badly, and a number of crashes have raised concerns. HAL is contracted to deliver 12 limited series production aircraft and 75 production IJTs, but the Sitara still hasn’t achieved initial certification as of late 2013, and remains saddled with serious aerodynamic issues.

The question is whether the plane can enter service by 2015, and whether it will be safe if it does. A mid-2014 admission that major redesigns are required casts serious doubt on both requirements.

@Alfafighter You change subject but fail to answer. I think I made it clear. Just read my posts in other sections. The fact remains. PAF and Pakistan moved from old and outdated jets gradually to better imported and home build (assisted by China) jets. They produce Mushaq, which is exported to several nations. They co -designed and co-buld K8 which is one of the best sold trainers at the moment. They co-developed JF17. And they are now in some projects I can not discuss.

You tell the world that Brahmos is Indian. Nopes. You wrote the software. And even the Russians do not want that.

You tell the world that PAKFA is co-designed. The Russians hate you cause they burned one while demonstrating it to India. But the Indians were not allowed to come close...

So yes, you do spend lot and greedy nations want to sell. But that is not Indian but imported.

A) lol, Sir, i asked to prove , which you can't .........can you prove that JF-17 fly in night when inducted??? any article link , test pic etc? you also failed to prove..... i can prove that JF-17 cannot fly in night when inducted thats why no pic /video ever exited of night flying..... if you can prove me wrong if can fly in night , please show prove

B) Sir , please correct your history and do not prove wrong picture,

K8- The Hongdu JL-8 (Nanchang JL-8), also known as the Karakorum-8, is a two-seat intermediate jet trainer and light attack aircraft designed in the People's Republic of Chinaby China Nanchang Aircraft Manufacturing Corporation. The primary contractor for this plane is the Hongdu Aviation Industry Corporation.

One of its export variants, K-8P Karakorum is co-produced by the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex. Pakistan-specific variant with new avionics, glass cockpit and Martin Baker Zero-Zero ejection seats. Pakistan-specific variant with new avionics, glass cockpit and Martin Baker Zero-Zero ejection seats.

K-8 variant developed for export to Egypt in 1999, featuring 33 modifications to the airframe and avionics. Built in Egypt from Chinese-supplied kits, production of 80 Egyptian-built Chinese kits was completed in 2005, with license production of an additional 40 K-8Es undertaken thereafter.

JL-8W (K-8W)
Variant of the JL-8 with improved cockpit and HUD. Delivered to Venezuela's Bolivarian Military Aviation March 13, 2010, with no U.S.-controlled parts. Total order 18 aircraft (+ 40 announced) by china.

Sorry to say you have not Co-designed the K8 , So please stop this and produce the proof that you co designed it and you export these in equal numbers as china do.

So K8 is only Lic production like India is producing British hawk trainer as per Indian requirement with some Indian parts...... and their is NO PAK role in Exporting the K-8 to other countries in Bulk which is china is doing.


B) I like you people comparison , K8 is designed in China but lic production in PAK is great achievement but Indian Hawk is not.

C) Mustaq: is a license-built fixed-gear basic trainer aircraft, improved version of the Saab Safari.
Please tell us which you have designed of your own and not the lic production and improved one. India is making lot bigger and better lic production planes.

We don't told the world PJ-10is Indian nor we claim SU-30 is indian, although we make every part of SU-30 in India and include mission computer and avionics.

In-fact SU-30 have many indian parts which your even JF-17 so called co-developed has, can you name the JF-17 parts which are developed by PAK? you can find many Indian developed parts used in Su-30MKI (more then what your so called co-developed planed JF-17 has) .....we are not in a habit of boasting this so called ours which are not.

Well the same JF-17 is also not inducted in Chinese AF

 

[Bratva]

A) Sir , if JF-17 is good in laser guided bombing then why F-16 is used currently and not JF-17?

B) Yes , when inducted, their is not pic of of night trials.....nor night flight confirmation. Well i cant proof that JF-17 cannot fly in night because i don't have any pic to proof that it cannot fly in night.

C) All this are present in Tejas MK-1 .... what the use of your Block-II then if it only need to match with Tejas block-1?

Because, The accuracy demanded in counter insurgency bombing runs is very high. JF-17 is good for CAS right now with current PGM's but not suitable for precision strikes of 1 meter accuracy which is still being worked upon. Hence it isn't used as a replacement for F-16

2. Have you ever see confirmation of ZDK-03 arrivals in Pakistan ? Or have you ever see ZDK-03 flights in night? NO. But users have seen ZDK night time sorties in Karachi.

PAF does not have a loud moth like indian defense establishments that it would provide petty news of such petty accomplishments. Hence what you think is irrelevant when Night time sorties are being conducted regularly from Peshawar base.

Meanwhile checkout F-7PG night time flight pics. It's amazing.

 

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Shameful failures, just like LCA, Arjunk, Kaveri etc.

lol i wonder the level of neighbour knowledge.
HAL HPT-32 Deepak : is 1970's and 80's plane
Kiran : Inducted in 1968 , ( first flight 1964)

You think that these vintage plane was still able to fly ? May be PAF will but no IAF...... did you designed any plane in 1960's?