JF-17B Updates, News & Discussion

[Bilal.]

There is a conventional Raad. Nuff said.

The problem is we are stuck with Mirage for employment of Raad and H weapons.

 

[Path-Finder]

There is a conventional Raad. Nuff said.

I have NO reason to doubt you.

 

[Gryphon]

IMO a different use case. Ra'ad/Ra'ad II is primarily for delivering nuclear warheads, while the SOM is a long-range conventional weapon.

But with a warhead weight of 230 kg, the SOM's primary benefit is range (250+ km).

I would much rather develop a new Ra'ad that fits on the JF-17 but carries a 500+ kg warhead, so long-range and heavy. Perhaps something along the lines of the Raptor 3 by Denel Dynamics (which seems to retain the Raptor I/II or H2/H4's 600 kg warhead, while also incorporating an air-breathing engine for cruising).

In fact, I like this Raptor 3 design a lot, seems the folding wings give it a very sleek or thin profile, which means it should theoretically fit under the JF-17's wings.

Plus, besides using our own LACM seeker tech, we can retain the EO/TV seeker of the H-2/H-4 for very precise terminal-stage guidance.

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@Gryphon

I am still of the opinion that it was the Raptor III tested from JF-17 in March 2019. A unique design at less than 1000 kg plus Denel touting its all-weather attack capability.

EO-guided Raptor II (H-4) can't be launched in bad weather.

 

[Ultima Thule]

I am still of the opinion that it was the Raptor III tested from JF-17 in March 2019. A unique design at less than 1000 kg plus Denel touting its all-weather attack capability.

EO-guided Raptor II (H-4) can't be launched in bad weather.

it can be used in bad weather because it have infrared sensor in it but for best result its used in fair weather

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

I am still of the opinion that it was the Raptor III tested from JF-17 in March 2019. A unique design at less than 1000 kg plus Denel touting its all-weather attack capability.

EO-guided Raptor II (H-4) can't be launched in bad weather.

IIRC we should be able to swap-out the H-2/H-4's EO with IIR or INS/GPS. I think the benefit of this series is the modular/optional seeker capability, basically fit-for-mission/scenario.

 

[aliyusuf]

it can be used in bad weather because it have infrared sensor

IR sensors themselves are not all weather. Only true all weather are radar RF.

 

[Haris Ali2140]

IMO a different use case. Ra'ad/Ra'ad II is primarily for delivering nuclear warheads, while the SOM is a long-range conventional weapon.

But with a warhead weight of 230 kg, the SOM's primary benefit is range (250+ km).

I would much rather develop a new Ra'ad that fits on the JF-17 but carries a 500+ kg warhead, so long-range and heavy. Perhaps something along the lines of the Raptor 3 by Denel Dynamics (which seems to retain the Raptor I/II or H2/H4's 600 kg warhead, while also incorporating an air-breathing engine for cruising).

In fact, I like this Raptor 3 design a lot, seems the folding wings give it a very sleek or thin profile, which means it should theoretically fit under the JF-17's wings.

Plus, besides using our own LACM seeker tech, we can retain the EO/TV seeker of the H-2/H-4 for very precise terminal-stage guidance.

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@Gryphon

SOM is powered by a turbojet engine and can be assigned a new target in-flight. Can Raptor 2 & 3 do that???

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

SOM is powered by a turbojet engine and can be assigned a new target in-flight. Can Raptor 2 & 3 do that???

IIRC that's the data-link feed to the INS/GPS, should be doable on the Raptor 3.

 

[Haris Ali2140]

IIRC that's the data-link feed to the INS/GPS, should be doable on the Raptor 3.

Is it also powered by engine or it glides?
But how maneuverable is Raptor 3?

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Is it also powered by engine or it glides?
But how maneuverable is Raptor 3?

Raptor 3 uses a miniature turbojet. As for maneuverability, we don't know since it hasn't (at least publicly) flown yet.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

The problem is we are stuck with Mirage for employment of Raad and H weapons.

@airomerix claimed Thunders can carry RA'AD

 

[Bilal.]

@airomerix claimed Thunders can carry RA'AD

I remember him saying it will eventually be able to but having seen plans made and then abandoned I won’t be to sure till the capability is demonstrated.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

I am still of the opinion that it was the Raptor III tested from JF-17 in March 2019

It can be the Takbir also

 

[StormBreaker]

@airomerix claimed Thunders can carry RA'AD

There is no denying in that and it is an old FACT !!!

 

[Gryphon]

It can be the Takbir also
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GIDS REK aka Takbir has been around for years now and its usage with JF-17s is public knowledge.

The footage of the March 2019 test was blurred by PAF but the blast and crater resembled that of a Raptor-III like weapon with penetration warhead. And the 'extended range smart weapon' appeared to have wings, tail and an engine.