Jf-17 Vs. Fc-20 In Dogfight

[Arsalan]

Didn't Oscar say that only upgrades in blk II will be IFR and some software updates?

Different options have been discussed at different times since there is not much official data available.
May be @Oscar is right and Blk-II finally do not gets it but he wont deny the fact that HMS was/is part of planned up gradation and JF-17 will eventually equipped with it.

 

[Shadow_Hunter]

Different options have been discussed at different times since there is not much official data available.
May be @Oscar is right and Blk-II finally do not gets it but he wont deny the fact that HMS was/is part of planned up gradation and JF-17 will eventually equipped with it.

If that eventually comes during mlu, it is not worth talking about it now.

 

[Arsalan]

If that eventually comes during MLU, it is not worth talking about it now.

No no not in MLU! It is part of regular evolution!
The other reported/planned changes in engine, radars and may be payload are also not for MLU. The open structure design of JF-17 facilitate easy up gradations.

 

[Storm Force]

A LITTLE LIKE COMPARING A MIRAGE 2000 V RAFALE

OR A F16 V A EURO FIGHTER TYPHOON.

j10 IS A MUCH MORE ADVANCED AIRFRAME with better twr and bigger better radars avionics and load of weapons.

in 10 engagements in a dog fight i expect 4-1 win ratio between JF17 AND J10 for the j10

 

[lmjiao]

This topic is similar to the question "J-10 and Su-27 in dogfight", the answer may depends but also of no importance.
Both JF-17 and FC-20 will serve in PAF, so just wait for the test results.

 

[S.U.R.B.]

At best they'll be evaluating the other platform for the last time.Nothing to lose in this case.

 

[帅的一匹]

JFT is a LCA
FC-20 is a MMRCA

so why the comparison. complete waste

JF17 is a very potential air platform showing much room for updation, and J10b is the best 4.5gen fighter produced in Asia. I suggest all the Chinese should donate for Pakistan to purchase 4 suqadrons of FC20. Pakistanis are our brothers, we must help in someway.

 

[satishkumarcsc]

JF17 is a very potential air platform showing much room for updation, and J10b is the best 4.5gen fighter produced in Asia. I suggest all the Chinese should donate for Pakistan to purchase 4 suqadrons of FC20. Pakistanis are our brothers, we must help in someway.

The JF 17 and LCA are out of the way in the Asian air-war scenarios. It is likely to become dominant by the medium class and heavy class fighters by the next decade. Pumping in more money into the LCA and JF 17 is not wise according to me. Instad going in for more FC 20s by capping the production of JF 17 to a 120 pieces will be a very fine idea.

 

[Akasa]

Honestly if it were two equal pilots fighting, the J-10A would have an advantage in BVR, since it has an upgraded radar capable of searching 120 km for a 1 m^2 target, and also WVR, since the J-10A features a canard-delta design and has a higher thrust to weight ratio. In recent exercises the J-10A was able to defeat the Su-27SK with a score of 13:1 in simulated fights.

However, it if were a PLAAF pilot against a PAF pilot, the story changes. As a British observer pointed out, PAF pilots fought in the Indo-Pakistani wars in a similar fashion to how British pilots fought against Nazi air forces over London.

 

[Bamboo Castle]

We know the Jf-17's constantly out performed the F-16 B15's in WVR combat.

And how do we know this? What source claims this? Can you give us some links to verify your claim?

How does the Jf-17 compare with the Fc-20. (J10 B)

Its like you are comparing Maruti with Toyota..

I found this on a different forum.

Which forum is that??

"The J-10 is a relaxed stability canard design with quad redundant FBW in three axis, providing a platform that is likely to outperform the JF-17 in WVR combat."

J-10 is not likely outperform JF-17, it will whitewash JF-17.

 

[Bamboo Castle]

Just because it is relaxed stability doesn't mean it will outperform. It might, but not exactly for any single reason. For example the Delta configuration on the J-10 will create enormous drag while turning. So even though the j-10 can slow it's speed and turn rapidly, it still needs to regain speed after a turn. For that you need a powerful engine. Something like the Eurofighter Typhoon, where even though it is a delta design, it can accelerate very quickly due to both engines being very powerful.

J-10B & JF-17 both are made in China. Why do you think Chinese choose J-10 over JF-17! Because J-10 performs way better than JF-17 and can easily outperform JF-17. They made JF-17 to give the limited budget countries a feel of 4th generation performance and to replace J-7 with foreign users. They did not take JF-17 for themselves, why? Its cheaper, smaller, easier maintenance, better than J-7, Mig-21, Mig-23, Mirage-3/5/F1 and also better than secondhand F-16A/B. Even then Chinese did not take JF-17, WHY?

Because, J-10 is much advanced and potent fighter air craft.

 

[Norphisor]

Depends on Pilot. If JF-17 is PAF's and F-16 is USAF then JF-17 will win.
If both are PAF pilots then it will be a draw.

 

[trident2010]

If only the technology is the factor then it is 80-20 in the favour of J-10.

 

[Darth Vader]

Depends on Pilot. If JF-17 is PAF's and F-16 is USAF then JF-17 will win.
If both are PAF pilots then it will be a draw.

Wah teri Science they Well it depends on the ROE

and all the people crying about China not inducted Well JF 17 was created to give Pakistan a potent cheap 4th generation fighter
Why China Will Buy a 2nd used car when they can buy new 1

 

[Donatello]

If only the technology is the factor then it is 80-20 in the favour of J-10.

On what basis are you arriving at such a conclusion?

Do you have the exact details of both the planes?
Have you seen them in combat?
Have you met their pilots? Designers, perhaps?

Actually, let me rephrase my question(s) and spare the agony that other members have to go through.......is your source of information by any chance India TV /Bharat Rakshak?