JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 7]

[Silicon0000]

Can someone please share this article in full or a description : https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/defence-notes/egypt-eyes-jf-17-thunder-block-3s/

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[BATMAN]

Can someone please share this article in full or a description : https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/defence-notes/egypt-eyes-jf-17-thunder-block-3s/

And No need to create separate thread for this news

Thunder was show cased at CATIC corner at Cairo defense exhibition.
Egyptian ambassador to Pakistan also met CoAS in recent days.
Still this means nothing more than thunder's development had once again invoked Egyptian interest.
Previously Egypt was lost due to conspiracy of Asif Ali Zardari and staff he appointed at Pakistan foreign office.
Saudi Arabia can play a role to urge Egypt to give it a serious look.
At the moment Egypt is mulling to procure more Rafael.... so at this moment, this may be complicated deal to pull through.

 

[Tempest II]

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EDEX 2018: Egypt eyes JF-17 Thunder Block 3s
5th December 2018 - 16:50 GMT | by Alan Warnes in Cairo

The Egyptian Air Force (EAF) is currently reviewing the progress of the PAC/Chengdu JF-17 Thunder.

At EDEX 2018 in Cairo, Shephard has learnt that representatives from the EAF held a meeting with AVIC officials at Zhuhai Air Show in early November.



Officials were provided with a progress report on the more advanced Block 3 version of the Pak-Sino fighter. The EAF requirement could be ‘for more than 100’ aircraft said the source.

Newer Block 3 versions will be boosted with a Chinese Airborne Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar as well as an integrated EW system and new avionics.

There are two Chinese contenders, after the Leonardo Grifo option was dropped. The Nanjing Research Institute of Electronics Technology KLJ-7A is being marketed by China Electronics Technology Group Corporation.

The second one, is the Leihua Electronic Technology Research Institute air-cooling LKF601E. Both were on display at Zhuhai. CATIC has thrown its weight behind the latter option and replacing the JF-17’s original KLJ-7 is simply a case of taking out the old system and inserting the new one.

Both radars are currently being evaluated by the Pakistan Air Force and a decision is expected by the end of the year.

In addition to an AESA radar, the JF-17s come with capabilities the EAF are keen to have like the Chinese SD-10A Beyond Visual Range air to air missile and C-802A anti-shipping weapon.

With around 100 of the second generation Chengdu F-7s and MiG-21s in EAF service edging towards the end of service life, the Block 3 JF-17 Thunder could be a good relatively inexpensive option.

Egypt and China have worked together extensively in the past, with their biggest project in recent times being the assembly of 120 K-8 Karakoram jet trainers at the Helwan Aircraft Factory between 2000-2010.

The 100+ JF-17 Thunders flying with the Pakistan Air Force have now flown over 40,000 hours with six operational squadrons, so they are a mature system now.

They fulfil both an air-to-air and air-to-ground role and now have an air to air refuelling capability. The JF-17 Block 3s are expected start coming off the production line by the end of 2019 and be operational with the PAF in 2021.

Another attractive proposition for the EAF, is that the PAF will start building two-seater Block 3 versions by the end of 2020, which will fulfil both training and tactical roles.

 

[Silicon0000]

EDEX 2018: Egypt eyes JF-17 Thunder Block 3s
5th December 2018 - 16:50 GMT | by Alan Warnes in Cairo

The Egyptian Air Force (EAF) is currently reviewing the progress of the PAC/Chengdu JF-17 Thunder.

At EDEX 2018 in Cairo, Shephard has learnt that representatives from the EAF held a meeting with AVIC officials at Zhuhai Air Show in early November.



Officials were provided with a progress report on the more advanced Block 3 version of the Pak-Sino fighter. The EAF requirement could be ‘for more than 100’ aircraft said the source.

Newer Block 3 versions will be boosted with a Chinese Airborne Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar as well as an integrated EW system and new avionics.

There are two Chinese contenders, after the Leonardo Grifo option was dropped. The Nanjing Research Institute of Electronics Technology KLJ-7A is being marketed by China Electronics Technology Group Corporation.

The second one, is the Leihua Electronic Technology Research Institute air-cooling LKF601E. Both were on display at Zhuhai. CATIC has thrown its weight behind the latter option and replacing the JF-17’s original KLJ-7 is simply a case of taking out the old system and inserting the new one.

Both radars are currently being evaluated by the Pakistan Air Force and a decision is expected by the end of the year.

In addition to an AESA radar, the JF-17s come with capabilities the EAF are keen to have like the Chinese SD-10A Beyond Visual Range air to air missile and C-802A anti-shipping weapon.

With around 100 of the second generation Chengdu F-7s and MiG-21s in EAF service edging towards the end of service life, the Block 3 JF-17 Thunder could be a good relatively inexpensive option.

Egypt and China have worked together extensively in the past, with their biggest project in recent times being the assembly of 120 K-8 Karakoram jet trainers at the Helwan Aircraft Factory between 2000-2010.

The 100+ JF-17 Thunders flying with the Pakistan Air Force have now flown over 40,000 hours with six operational squadrons, so they are a mature system now.

They fulfil both an air-to-air and air-to-ground role and now have an air to air refuelling capability. The JF-17 Block 3s are expected start coming off the production line by the end of 2019 and be operational with the PAF in 2021.

Another attractive proposition for the EAF, is that the PAF will start building two-seater Block 3 versions by the end of 2020, which will fulfil both training and tactical roles.

Opportunity :

With around 100 of the second generation Chengdu F-7s and MiG-21s in EAF service edging towards the end of service life, the Block 3 JF-17 Thunder could be a good relatively inexpensive option.

Egypt and China have worked together extensively in the past, with their biggest project in recent times being the assembly of 120 K-8 Karakoram jet trainers at the Helwan Aircraft Factory between 2000-2010.

The JF-17 Block 3s are expected start coming off the production line by the end of 2019 and be operational with the PAF in 2021.

Another attractive proposition for the EAF, is that the PAF will start building two-seater Block 3 versions by the end of 2020, which will fulfil both training and tactical roles.

 

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[Tempest II]

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EDEX 2018: Weaponised jets proving a challenge for Egypt

4th December 2018 - 11:56 GMT | by Alan Warnes in Cairo


The Egyptian Air Force's fast jet fleet is being blighted by a hold-up on its desired weapon for the Dassault Rafale and the service has now made it clear it is not content with the weapon capabilities of the F-16.

One of the biggest stories at EDEX should have been the supply of additional Rafales to the Egyptian Air Force and the continuing controversy over the delivery of the Scalp stand-off weapon, however, the halls are silent on the issue.

In November 2017, Egypt agreed to increase its order for the Rafale by a further 12, from 24 to 36, but that deal has been put on hold because the Egyptians are refusing to receive the jets unless the Scalp stand-off missiles are also delivered.

The missiles are the Block 2 variant, fitted with the updated satellite link. The deal for the extra 12 has not been signed, and Dassault is only acknowledging the sale of the 16 single-seat Rafale DMs and eight dual seat EMs at its stand here.

French sources earlier this year disclosed that the US was refusing to provide manufacturer, MBDA with a component, believed to be a GPS guidance receiver, for the weapon and the deal had stalled. However further reports suggest a compromise solution has been found and that the French would scour for non-ITAR components.

Not too surprisingly given the secretive nature of the Egyptian Armed Forces, neither Dassault nor MBDA are saying anything, although one MBDA spokesperson said: 'I cannot say anything other than there is no problem.'

The Scalp is currently in service with the French Air Force's Rafales and its UK equivalent, the Storm Shadow, is being operated by the RAF Tornado until the Typhoon takes over its role on 1 April. With the UAE Air Force, it is known as the Black Shaheen and arms the Mirage 2000-9s.

In other news, a source has told Shephard that the Egyptian Air Force is unhappy with the low level of weapons capabilities that the F-16s has to offer.

'They are armed with AIM-9Ms and AIM-7s, which is not good enough in this modern era, and this is the reason why the Egyptians went for the much more capable Rafale – it can [be equipped with] a lot more capabilities.'

It is thought Lockheed Martin has offered to upgrade the 30+ Egyptian Air Force F-16A/B Block 15s, with a new AN/APG-68(v9) multi-mode fire control radar but the company would not comment.

On the low level of weapons on the EAF F-16s, one source said: 'The Egyptians did not sign up to agreements governing more capable weapons, so the US would not sell them, and while they are severely downgraded that could change in the near future.'

 

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[LKJ86]

 

[Dazzler]

There he is, again.. Alan warnes jr

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[Akasa]

Another attractive proposition for the EAF, is that the PAF will start building two-seater Block 3 versions by the end of 2020, which will fulfil both training and tactical roles.

I think PAC/CAC should drop the current JF-17B program and merge it with that of the twin-seat Block IIIs.

 

[MastanKhan]

Thunder was show cased at CATIC corner at Cairo defense exhibition.
Egyptian ambassador to Pakistan also met CoAS in recent days.
Still this means nothing more than thunder's development had once again invoked Egyptian interest.
Previously Egypt was lost due to conspiracy of Asif Ali Zardari and staff he appointed at Pakistan foreign office.
Saudi Arabia can play a role to urge Egypt to give it a serious look.
At the moment Egypt is mulling to procure more Rafael.... so at this moment, this may be complicated deal to pull through.

Hi,

Actually it may not be as complicated deal as one might think..

As our colleague @Tempest II posted in his link---The egyptians are not getting what they wanted---. So---in the end---the Rafale maybe an incomplete package due to the non availability of scalp---.

So---here come the JF17 BLK3 with every bit of advance weaponry that is available without any sanctions or restrictions---.

 

[BATMAN]

I simply meant Egyptian is mulling second tranche of Rafaels.
So... at current stage jF17 may not be so close a deal, as much we are excited in our commentaries.
Egyptians may not be as forgiving as Saudis and UAE are, slight diplomatic concurrence may bring a atop their nationalism... than who cares what's jF17!
This is why i see Pakistan-Egypt dealing is complicated by nature and is easily subjected to sabotage by simple, murder of Egyptian Ambassador in Pakistan or even social media remarks.

 

[Jinn Baba]

There he is, again.. Alan warnes jr

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Usually JF17 looks tiny, but thanks to this hobbit it looks the size of a F15

 

[MastanKhan]

I simply meant Egyptian is mulling second tranche of Rafaels.
So... at current stage jF17 may not be so close a deal, as much we are excited in our commentaries.
Egyptians may not be as forgiving as Saudis and UAE are, slight diplomatic concurrence may bring a atop their nationalism... than who cares what's jF17!
This is why i see Pakistan-Egypt dealing is complicated by nature and is easily subjected to sabotage by simple, murder of Egyptian Ambassador in Pakistan or even social media remarks.

Hi,

Indeed---the egyptians are an extremely difficult and demanding people to deal with---.

But then that is what you have to deal with when you are selling your product to those who demand a lot---.

Success does not come cheap---. When you are about to break into the main market---there are many players who would want to sabotage the deal---.

You may have certain people may even go so far as trying to sabotage some of the equipment during the testing or other phases---.

You are placing the BLK3 in competition against the big boys---. They are going to fight hard to keep you off their turf---.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Egypt has bought some planes in past K8 example , however I would rather see Turkey be a JF17 customer