Probably so, however if an F-22 / F-35 jockey let's themselves get in that situation and does survive then will likely have flown their last mission / flight.
All this cost $, at the end PAF has to decide as to how well it can spread the butter across it needs and if the ROI would be worth it. As Araz wrote above, we may not see any further external modifications after Block-3 ( PS: not saying that Block III has external mods or not, ) but there likely be new electronics / avionics upgrades to keep JF-17 relevant for the foreseeable future.
1. That's kind of flattering that JF17 is worth doing that for
1. That's kind of flattering that JF17 is worth doing that for
2. If PAF had the choice they'd go for the f16s no?lol
3. The only viable strategy is lowballing the f16 offer by a lot.
This is what the game is about. When the PAF was looking at Gripen a lockmart official came out with" we have never lost a sale to another competitor". Whereas that may not always be true you can understand where and to what extent they will go. I think we should continue to keep trying but it is not over till the planes land on the relevant air base.
1. That's kind of flattering that JF17 is worth doing that for
2. If PAF had the choice they'd go for the f16s no?lol
3. The only viable strategy is lowballing the f16 offer by a lot.
It's all fair game, but a lot will depend on the Argentinian Air Force's requirements. If they're still serious about adding an AESA radar and new LRAAMs, they'll need to pay for upgrades on the F-16. Those kits will add to the $30-odd million US for each F-16 -- potentially $70-80+ per aircraft all-in. But if they don't care, and just need some newer planes to replace old ones, the F-16s will likely win.Used block 50’s are reeeeally competitive, iirc the sales have been for sub 30 million a unit, that’s being generous, I’ve seen some at 15m a pop. What makes it worse is the market is flooded now with euros switching to 35’s, so we’re screwed now wrt to the Argentinians
Well you popped that bubble...
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Ànd what's project AZM FOR for??? And for your family is more reliable or former and ACM was more reliable? Ànd don't Tell us your family is in the project of JFT lol
DELTA is its own limitations its built for high altitudes less maneuverability unless its will have canards or TVC ànd built for speed @Iron ShrappenelWell you popped that bubble...
Pakistan would still need to modify the Jeffs to keep them updated to modern standards... 2035 is a long way and God knows what the situation of our economy would be and how many 5th gens we could afford.
Deltas aren't a bad design though... Let's not let one bad samosa make us squeamish for all...
Possibility of off the shelf 5th gens before Azm hits the tarmac ?
@JamD correct me if I’m wrong here, but isn’t it easier to develop a platform from the ground up for VLO as opposed to adapting it for the same?
Based on my understanding, yes. The reason is optimization. Aircraft are optimized to a high degree so changing a thing here and a thing here can sometimes have unexpectedly drastic consequences. For example, moving the engine 10 cm up vertically in the airframe might make the RCS 10 times smaller (totally made up example to make a point) but doing that is next to impossible for an existing jet. Furthermore, composites and metals interact in complicated ways so that must be taken into account.
