JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 7]

[Deino]

Not sure if the helmet shown in the 2nd pic is HMD/S. It looks like the PLAAF's standard issue helmet. @Deino

Indeed, I agree ... by the way, did you get my PMs; also the final one?

 

[GumNaam]

First ones j-20 and last one is l-15


Compare the last pic with this pic . They look similar View attachment 607204

they do look similar. is this just a helmet mounted display or a targeting/aiming helmet sight as well for the PL10 AAM?

 

[StormBreaker]

they do look similar. is this just a helmet mounted display or a targeting/aiming helmet sight as well for the PL10 AAM?

Is PL-10 in current weapons package of thunders ? Block 1 and 2 ? Do we have it ? And how does it compare with A-Darter and Sidewinders ?

 

[Ultima Thule]

Is PL-10 in current weapons package of thunders ? Block 1 and 2 ? Do we have it ? And how does it compare with A-Darter and Sidewinders ?

for Block-1/2, i don't think so,PL-10 is for block-3, we didn't know much about A-Darter, as well as we didn't know about Technical specification of PL-10 much, so we didn't compare PL-10 with A-Darter and Sidewinders

 

[StormBreaker]

for Block-1/2, i don't think so,PL-10 is for block-3, we didn't know much about A-Darter, as well as we didn't know about Technical specification of PL-10 much, so we didn't compare PL-10 with A-Darter and Sidewinders

PL-10E info is available online bro, the AAM has been offered for export multiple times on events.

 

[Ultima Thule]

PL-10E info is available online bro, the AAM has been offered for export multiple times on events.

where on wiki, i talking in detail info bro

 

[StormBreaker]

where on wiki, i talking in detail info bro

A PL-10E AAM was on display in front of a PLAAF J-10B fighter at the 2016 Zhuhai Airshow. PL-10(K/AKK-10?) is a new generation IIR-guided HOBS missile in the same class of AIM-9X, ASRAAM, A-Darter, AAM-5 and IRIS-T. It features an IIR seeker(containing a 128x128 focal plane array), a laser proximity fuze and TVC, giving the missile a 90° off-boresight angle and a max load of 55g. PL-10 possesses an excellent IRCCM capability against modern fighter aircraft maneuvering at high-gs. It also has a "lock-after-launch" capability, which could extend its range to BVR. When coupled with HMDS, the missile allows the pilot to engage a target over his shoulder without maneuvering the aircraft extensively. Similar to AAM-5 and IRIS-T, the latest design (circa 2013) features 4 enlarged tail stabilizing fins plus 4 narrow stabilizing strips attached to the mid-section of the missile body, which help maintain missile's maneuverability at the terminal stage after the solid motor stops working. PL-10 has a length of 2.96m, diameter 0.16m, weight 105kg, max range 20km. The development of PL-10started in 2005 with a different tail stabilizing findesign and a test round was launched from the ground in November 2008. The development was thought to be a success after the missile was test-fired from a CFTE J-11B in 2010, and subsequently it entered the initial production in 2013. PL-10 was seen carried by J-10A, J-10B/C, J-11D and J-16 fighter bomber as well as internally by J-20 and FC-31 stealth fighters, replacing PL-8B. PL-10 was offered for export as PL-10E at the 2016 Zhuhai Airshow. It was rumored that the next generation of short-range IIR-guided missile (PL-16?) is already under development.

 

[Ultima Thule]

A PL-10E AAM was on display in front of a PLAAF J-10B fighter at the 2016 Zhuhai Airshow. PL-10(K/AKK-10?) is a new generation IIR-guided HOBS missile in the same class of AIM-9X, ASRAAM, A-Darter, AAM-5 and IRIS-T. It features an IIR seeker(containing a 128x128 focal plane array), a laser proximity fuze and TVC, giving the missile a 90° off-boresight angle and a max load of 55g. PL-10 possesses an excellent IRCCM capability against modern fighter aircraft maneuvering at high-gs. It also has a "lock-after-launch" capability, which could extend its range to BVR. When coupled with HMDS, the missile allows the pilot to engage a target over his shoulder without maneuvering the aircraft extensively. Similar to AAM-5 and IRIS-T, the latest design (circa 2013) features 4 enlarged tail stabilizing fins plus 4 narrow stabilizing strips attached to the mid-section of the missile body, which help maintain missile's maneuverability at the terminal stage after the solid motor stops working. PL-10 has a length of 2.96m, diameter 0.16m, weight 105kg, max range 20km. The development of PL-10started in 2005 with a different tail stabilizing findesign and a test round was launched from the ground in November 2008. The development was thought to be a success after the missile was test-fired from a CFTE J-11B in 2010, and subsequently it entered the initial production in 2013. PL-10 was seen carried by J-10A, J-10B/C, J-11D and J-16 fighter bomber as well as internally by J-20 and FC-31 stealth fighters, replacing PL-8B. PL-10 was offered for export as PL-10E at the 2016 Zhuhai Airshow. It was rumored that the next generation of short-range IIR-guided missile (PL-16?) is already under development.

I consider this article unreliable

 

[khanasifm]

A darter is claimed to have 100 g capability and range wise a bit shorter then British advance aam

The Pakistan Air Force listed the A-Darter as a potential option for the JF-17 Thunder Block-III in 2015, and Pakistan may be the country that has reportedly “expressed interest” in the missile.

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-...ter-missile-certified-brazil-and-south-africa

http://www.deneldynamics.co.za/products/missiles/air-to-air-missiles/a-darter


https://www.janes.com/article/91722/a-darter-aam-formally-qualified

 

[khanasifm]

You right. [emoji1]

Do not see any sensor embedded in helmet [emoji858]??

Typically there are sensor in helmet to track direction of helmet and slave it to missile seeker

 

[denel]

A darter is claimed to have 100 g capability and range wise a bit shorter then British advance aam

The Pakistan Air Force listed the A-Darter as a potential option for the JF-17 Thunder Block-III in 2015, and Pakistan may be the country that has reportedly “expressed interest” in the missile.

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-...ter-missile-certified-brazil-and-south-africa

http://www.deneldynamics.co.za/products/missiles/air-to-air-missiles/a-darter


https://www.janes.com/article/91722/a-darter-aam-formally-qualified

Correct; this means the HMDS solution may be a hybrid version to mate to A-Darter. Only time will tell, if this does happen, PAF will be largest user and most like the first place where Darter will draw blood.

 

[khanasifm]

Make sense to go with darter and the hmd already integrated with it by sa since pac now claims they have local integration capability ?? Cost and clearance will be the main factor vs Chinese options

 

[StormBreaker]

Correct; this means the HMDS solution may be a hybrid version to mate to A-Darter. Only time will tell, if this does happen, PAF will be largest user and most like the first place where Darter will draw blood.

Who else uses A Darter ?

 

[kursed]

JF-17 crew was supposed to upgrade to a new light-weight NVG-enabled helmet, so I am guessing the trials are on.

 

[denel]

Who else uses A Darter ?

This was between RSA/Brazil to be a completely ITAR free for their Gripen, Hawks.